List Mgmt. COLLINGWOOD Trade and F/A Discussion 2023

[Scodog10]

We wouldn’t have had any points for daicos if we did.

We 100% would have.

 

[stormskye]

We 100% would have.

I think what I meant was if we kept pick 2, we likely would have been forced to use it by north. It’s been done and dusted though so I won’t discuss it more .

Moving on

 

[sr36]

I think what I meant was if we kept pick 2, we likely would have been forced to use it by north. It’s been done and dusted though so I won’t discuss it more .

Moving on

Yep. We would have traded it for a first rounder in the draft just gone.

 

[The Phantom]

Surprised no talk of Mason Redman

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Mason Redman

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187cm

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87kg

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15.2

4star

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10.1

4star

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5.1

4star

M

4.2

4star

T

2.7

4star

MG

262.0

4star

D

12.0

3star

K

7.8

3star

HB

4.2

3star

M

3.2

3star

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1.8

3star

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210.3

3star

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12.0

3star

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7.0

3star

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5.0

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4.4

4star

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2.4

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144.2

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I realise he’s likely to either stay at Essendon or head to SA, but he’d be a terrific Howe successor.

 

[SchuPie]

Allan, outside. Draper, outside. Bianco, outside.

McCreery could play mid - he's strong enough but Harrison is too crafty to be in the middle. I think the faster play of the AFL suits Harrison more than the VFL. He was not our worst player in either game he suited up for.

IMO, Draper is much better inside

 

[SchuPie]

Looks like rival clubs are targeting Fin Macrae according to the Herald Sun


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Just what happens, unfortunately
You can't play them all - hope he stays and sees a spot for himself in the future
Im ok if he wants more playing time now and needs to move to do so - he's under contract in 2024 so at least that helps us out a little in terms of bargaining power

 

[Pleasedontfail11]

I think what I meant was if we kept pick 2, we likely would have been forced to use it by north. It’s been done and dusted though so I won’t discuss it more .

Moving on

Sorry this is my bugbear.
We would have traded pick 2 (2021) if they bidded on Nick for Norths 1st (2022) or Hawthorns 1st (2022) and gotten a 3rd rounder on top because both teams would have backed themselves to move up the ladder. So we would have ended up with a Sheezel or McKenzie instead or two of Poulter, McCreery and McMahon. Hell we could have done what North did with their pick and traded it for Sheezel and Wardlaw. We never would have used pick 2 to match for Nick Daicos.

 

[stormskye]

Yep. We would have traded it for a first rounder in the draft just gone.

And that’s fair enough. I was pointing to the fact the poster was saying Callaghan and daicos. I was basically implying we couldn’t get both in the same draft. As you’ve highlighted, the next year is diff and it could have been used then. It’s a shit deal no doubt.

I’m stopping now, we’ve moved on well and truly

 

[JuniorB]

IMO, Draper is much better inside

Yes, he's starting to consistently get clearances in the VFL.
Hopefully, he'll get an injury and illness free run at it now.
It was his shoulder that set back his first preseason and then Covid last year.
Ed Allan was going well this season until he got Covid.
It seems to take some people a fair while to get over it.

 

[Jen2310]

Yes, he's starting to consistently get clearances in the VFL.
Hopefully, he'll get an injury and illness free run at it now.
It was his shoulder that set back his first preseason and then Covid last year.
Ed Allan was going well this season until he got Covid.
It seems to take some people a fair while to get over it.

And Macrae had zero pre-season with a back stress issue. So he's doing pretty well, considering.

 

[TradeDraft]

AJ has elite traits. Great mark, great set shot. Great snap.

It's just pressure that lets him down from time to time.

I'm looking forward to seeing how he goes this week because I wouldn't be surprised if he was on one leg last week.

Is that harsh?

When he is On he looks like a Gun BUT when he is Not on he can be very poor.

Need to close the Distance between his Best and Worst

 

[TradeDraft]

There's this guy called Nick Daicos who could develop into an inside mid if we wanted him to be one...

But not In and Under type

 

[No SPIN]

Surprised no talk of Mason Redman.
I realise he’s likely to either stay at Essendon or head to SA, but he’d be a terrific Howe successor.

Interesting discussion on SEN last night by the champion data guy (Hoyne?) comparing Redman and Bergman.
The talking up of the later is very very premature given he’s rated in the bottom 5 for ball use while Redman is in the Top30.

I was shocked that Bergman is a ball butcher

 

[JuniorB]

And Macrae had zero pre-season with a back stress issue. So he's doing pretty well, considering.

Yes, he's been amongst our best in the VFL every week, so I hope he gets a chance soon.
And stays a Pie.

 

[Prexm]

Sorry this is my bugbear.
We would have traded pick 2 (2021) if they bidded on Nick for Norths 1st (2022) or Hawthorns 1st (2022) and gotten a 3rd rounder on top because both teams would have backed themselves to move up the ladder. So we would have ended up with a Sheezel or McKenzie instead or two of Poulter, McCreery and McMahon. Hell we could have done what North did with their pick and traded it for Sheezel and Wardlaw. We never would have used pick 2 to match for Nick Daicos.

The only thing though you are not considering is that we would have had a points deficit and any first round 2022 gained from a trade would have been affected.

 

[Apex36]

The only thing though you are not considering is that we would have had a points deficit and any first round 2022 gained from a trade would have been affected.

No we wouldn’t. Any trade we did would have involved a later 2021 pick/s to make up any shortfall we had, and teams would gladly pay that price to get pick 2 in the draft.

 

[sr36]

The only thing though you are not considering is that we would have had a points deficit and any first round 2022 gained from a trade would have been affected.

We got two third rounders for Nick from the wash up of that trade. Not a huge amount of points and I daresay we could have gotten more than just a future first for that pick 2 from a fair few clubs. So I don't think you do need to factor that in.

 

[JOELY]

We got two third rounders for Nick from the wash up of that trade. Not a huge amount of points and I daresay we could have gotten more than just a future first for that pick 2 from a fair few clubs. So I don't think you do need to factor that in.

Yep, we could have done really well with that pick 2. I think it's feasible we could have turned it into two future firsts if one of them was late. Trade was an absolute disaster when seen in totality with not only what we got for the future pick, but how we used it. I agree with people that we have to move on, but it continually getting brought up with people saying it wasn't that bad annoys me. It's an all time AFL bad trade and is only underrated because you can't put a face to how bad it was in player terms.

 

[Fat Jesus]

Keep pick 2 and they would have nominated Nick straight off the bat.
We ended up with a couple of good extra players.
In house agreement between the recruiters. Believe it or not!

 

[live fast pieyoung]

God damn people are being harsh on AJ after one bad game where almost literally everyone played poorly

I'd be disappointed if we lost him

the coaching staff dont share their views, and in any case AJ will prove them wrong

 

[Go Woods]

Surprised no talk of Mason Redman.
I realise he’s likely to either stay at Essendon or head to SA, but he’d be a terrific Howe successor.

Quoted on SEN tonight, has an $800k per season offer from the Crows being dangled in front of him..... Gone.

 

[Jafo]

Surprised no talk of Mason Redman.
I realise he’s likely to either stay at Essendon or head to SA, but he’d be a terrific Howe successor.

Pencil in a Ginni vs Redman punch on during a preseason intraclub match if this happened.

 

[sr36]

Keep pick 2 and they would have nominated Nick straight off the bat.
We ended up with a couple of good extra players.
In house agreement between the recruiters. Believe it or not!

No we didn't.

 

[Fat Jesus]

No we didn't.

Who did we get mate?

 

[Fat Jesus]

No we didn't.

Dunno mate as I'm no expert. We needed points and we ended up with Draper and Harrison.
If Nick was nominated straight away it wouldn't have been possible.
Someone like Scodog10 can school me on what actually happened.
we had to do it. Give up pick 2