List Mgmt. COLLINGWOOD Trade and F/A Discussion 2023

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I’m very sus on Gabelich. Still haven’t forgotten him not giving Cox a single vote on QB last year causing him to miss out on the medal by 1 vote after the other two judges - and the two coaches - voted him best afield…

He might have good info on player movements or whatever, but his voting that day was horrendous. Must have been watching a different game to everyone else.
 
Yeah me too. It makes sense though as Dogs are overflowing with forward marking targets. Maybe a straight swap for Ginnivan? I’m don’t want to lose him either but you have to give something to get something and we have Bobby Hill and Harrison already.
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Would love the Buku pick up. Looks great as an interceptor back which fits our game plan perfectly.

I think going into 2023, you probably have the talls depth charts like the below:

B: D.Moore, N.Murphy, J.Howe, B.Khamis, B.Frampton, C.Dean
F: B.Mihocek, D.McStay, M.Cox/D.Cameron, N.Kreuger, A.Johnson

R: D.Cameron/M.Cox, A.Begg, O.Steene

It will be a final year for Cox & Howe on the list IMO so expect to see Buku & Frampton really fight out for the tall defender role and Kreuger and Johnson to fight out for that 2nd ruck/forward role.
 
Would love the Buku pick up. Looks great as an interceptor back which fits our game plan perfectly.

I think going into 2023, you probably have the talls depth charts like the below:

B: D.Moore, N.Murphy, J.Howe, B.Khamis, B.Frampton, C.Dean
F: B.Mihocek, D.McStay, M.Cox/D.Cameron, N.Kreuger, A.Johnson

R: D.Cameron/M.Cox, A.Begg, O.Steene

It will be a final year for Cox & Howe on the list IMO so expect to see Buku & Frampton really fight out for the tall defender role and Kreuger and Johnson to fight out for that 2nd ruck/forward role.
Cox was a 2 year deal
 
Questions that need to be asked:

If Buku has kicked more than 2gpg this year in the VFL, then why isn’t he getting games? What part of his game is not up to scratch in the eyes of the Bulldogs hierarchy? What are his defensive efforts like? What’s his tank like? Can he run out a full senior AFL game with no issues?

Whilst there are genuinely some players that get overlooked by their clubs despite deserving opportunity, I’m wary of the idea of bringing in a player who by all accounts would be competing with 3 other players on the fringe for the same spot, if he’s not a clearly superior player, otherwise we’re just gathering depth. Given he’s unproven at AFL level, as it stands Buku is currently in the gathering depth category, so it’s a pass for us in my book.
The questions are fair. I think there are plenty that ought to be directed at the WB selection committee too. I can recall seeing lots of people wishing Buku was given a chance off their HB line this season after showing some solid signs there last year.

I think his positional versatility is what sets him apart IMO. He can fill Ruscoe's spot as depth for the backline just as handily as he can forward line depth. Especially in the case of Howe declining/retiring/getting hurt again
 
He has an aerial game that Ruscoe lacks. The more I think about it the more it feels like they’re trying to get him as that medium tall intercept defender we’ll need to replace Howe when he calls time.
Seems I replied to your post without seeing your later posts about recruiting him as a back, lol. Agree with this - he's more capable of defending talls than someone like Ryan, but also probably better at matching smalls than Dean.
 
Buku Khamis Draft Profile:

#38

Buku Khamis

Height: 189cm
Weight: 81kg
D.O.B: 24-03-2000
Leagues: AFL U18 Championships, Coates Talent League Boys
DRAFT ANALYSIS: “One of the great stories of this year’s draft, Khamis is an athletic tall defender who intercepts and kicks extremely well.”
OVERVIEW
Buku Khamis is a late bloomer when it comes to football, but has developed at a break-neck speed over the past two seasons to become one of the leading tall prospects in this year’s draft pool.
Khamis pairs impressive athleticism with great ball skills and composure, fitting the mould of a new-age defender who can intercept and move the ball forward. Having impressed in his bottom age year with 16 games to place under his belt, Khamis continued along his upward trajectory this year and landed a spot in the Vic Metro squad. It was on the national stage that Khamis’ elite intercept marking and rebounding ability came to the fore, especially in Metro’s close win against the Allies where their half-backs got a good running game going. A member of the Western Bulldogs’ Next Generation Academy, it is not hard to see why Dogs fans have pronounced their excitement around the Western Jets product, who looks likely end up at Whitten Oval come November.
STRENGTHS

  • Kicking
  • Intercept marking
  • Positioning
  • Composure
  • Endurance
  • Scope
Khamis’ strengths are both abundant and obvious, which has helped in the way of having him catch the eye of recruiters. His athletic ability comes two-fold, with a striking vertical leap partnered by his strong endurance base. Add to that a good knack for the perfect positioning behind the ball and you have an elite intercept marking defender at the Under 18 level. While Khamis’ contested marking has taken a back seat over the past year with his average being halved to just 0.78 per TAC Cup game, it has allowed his work rate to shine as he was often the trusted outlet - finding space to receive and move the ball out of defence with 3.3 rebound 50’s per game.
Central to Khamis’ exceptional rebounding is his kicking efficiency, going at 81.4 per cent in the TAC Cup to be one of the rare players who goes at a better rate by foot, which is even more impressive once you consider that he kicks more often than he handballs. While he does kick short and link in defence a lot, Khamis holds the lowest clanger kick percentage out of all the combine invitees at just 2.7 per cent, showing the maturity and reliability essential to any defender beyond his years.
Khamis’ endurance base is also a massive bonus, as it is often something talls are made to improve on at the next level. While he isn’t the quickest across the ground, Khamis can cover a hell of a patch throughout a match and has games where he seems pop up everywhere in the back half. These profound strengths and his ability to control games make it clear that Khamis’ skillset is transferable to the AFL level, and they perfectly suit the type of player he has developed into.
IMPROVEMENTS

  • Strength
  • Tackling
  • Game sense
While there’s a heap of areas that Khamis excels in, like any raw prospect there are a few patch ups that can be made before he has an impact at the next level. The style of Khamis’ play means that he is very good at winning the ball without constantly having an opponent to deal with, which sees him rarely engage in one-on-one battles. It might not necessarily be a weakness and he hasn’t been massively beaten yet, but Khamis can definitely build out his frame and ensure he is able to defend all types of forwards while engaging in his usual game. On that note, Khamis’ tackling numbers are also quite low for a defender, registering just over one per TAC Cup and National Championship game. Again, he has not been found out by it yet and it isn’t essential to his current style, but is an area he can bolster.
Another way Khamis can improve is in his game sense. He is strong in his positioning behind the ball and composure with it in hand, but struggles to adjust at times when the opposition is not always pumping the ball into his zone. This means that if he is starved of opportunity to intercept, he will not always find another way to impact the game when the ball is moved around him. Essentially, Khamis is a great offensive defender, but could become more prolific going the other way. These are things that will come naturally as he develops further and learns the game at an accelerated rate in an AFL setting.
DRAFT PROJECTION: 30-50
SUMMARY
Buku Khamis is an exciting talent who possesses a natural athletic base and elite-level skills. While he is still raw, Khamis has improved at a ridiculous rate to really hone his craft and match his best traits to the kind of player he looks to be. With plenty of TAC Cup experience and decent shifts at the National Championships, the Western Jet has shown he is able to both dominate, and hang with the best this draft crop has to offer. There is still room for improvement, but Khamis looks highly likely to land at the Western Bulldogs as a member of their Next Generation Academy with a bid matched in the 30-50 range, with a high ceiling on his potential.
 
Buku Khamis Draft Profile:

#38

Buku Khamis

Height: 189cm
Weight: 81kg
D.O.B: 24-03-2000
Leagues: AFL U18 Championships, Coates Talent League Boys
DRAFT ANALYSIS: “One of the great stories of this year’s draft, Khamis is an athletic tall defender who intercepts and kicks extremely well.”
OVERVIEW
Buku Khamis is a late bloomer when it comes to football, but has developed at a break-neck speed over the past two seasons to become one of the leading tall prospects in this year’s draft pool.
Khamis pairs impressive athleticism with great ball skills and composure, fitting the mould of a new-age defender who can intercept and move the ball forward. Having impressed in his bottom age year with 16 games to place under his belt, Khamis continued along his upward trajectory this year and landed a spot in the Vic Metro squad. It was on the national stage that Khamis’ elite intercept marking and rebounding ability came to the fore, especially in Metro’s close win against the Allies where their half-backs got a good running game going. A member of the Western Bulldogs’ Next Generation Academy, it is not hard to see why Dogs fans have pronounced their excitement around the Western Jets product, who looks likely end up at Whitten Oval come November.
STRENGTHS

  • Kicking
  • Intercept marking
  • Positioning
  • Composure
  • Endurance
  • Scope
Khamis’ strengths are both abundant and obvious, which has helped in the way of having him catch the eye of recruiters. His athletic ability comes two-fold, with a striking vertical leap partnered by his strong endurance base. Add to that a good knack for the perfect positioning behind the ball and you have an elite intercept marking defender at the Under 18 level. While Khamis’ contested marking has taken a back seat over the past year with his average being halved to just 0.78 per TAC Cup game, it has allowed his work rate to shine as he was often the trusted outlet - finding space to receive and move the ball out of defence with 3.3 rebound 50’s per game.
Central to Khamis’ exceptional rebounding is his kicking efficiency, going at 81.4 per cent in the TAC Cup to be one of the rare players who goes at a better rate by foot, which is even more impressive once you consider that he kicks more often than he handballs. While he does kick short and link in defence a lot, Khamis holds the lowest clanger kick percentage out of all the combine invitees at just 2.7 per cent, showing the maturity and reliability essential to any defender beyond his years.
Khamis’ endurance base is also a massive bonus, as it is often something talls are made to improve on at the next level. While he isn’t the quickest across the ground, Khamis can cover a hell of a patch throughout a match and has games where he seems pop up everywhere in the back half. These profound strengths and his ability to control games make it clear that Khamis’ skillset is transferable to the AFL level, and they perfectly suit the type of player he has developed into.
IMPROVEMENTS

  • Strength
  • Tackling
  • Game sense
While there’s a heap of areas that Khamis excels in, like any raw prospect there are a few patch ups that can be made before he has an impact at the next level. The style of Khamis’ play means that he is very good at winning the ball without constantly having an opponent to deal with, which sees him rarely engage in one-on-one battles. It might not necessarily be a weakness and he hasn’t been massively beaten yet, but Khamis can definitely build out his frame and ensure he is able to defend all types of forwards while engaging in his usual game. On that note, Khamis’ tackling numbers are also quite low for a defender, registering just over one per TAC Cup and National Championship game. Again, he has not been found out by it yet and it isn’t essential to his current style, but is an area he can bolster.
Another way Khamis can improve is in his game sense. He is strong in his positioning behind the ball and composure with it in hand, but struggles to adjust at times when the opposition is not always pumping the ball into his zone. This means that if he is starved of opportunity to intercept, he will not always find another way to impact the game when the ball is moved around him. Essentially, Khamis is a great offensive defender, but could become more prolific going the other way. These are things that will come naturally as he develops further and learns the game at an accelerated rate in an AFL setting.
DRAFT PROJECTION: 30-50
SUMMARY
Buku Khamis is an exciting talent who possesses a natural athletic base and elite-level skills. While he is still raw, Khamis has improved at a ridiculous rate to really hone his craft and match his best traits to the kind of player he looks to be. With plenty of TAC Cup experience and decent shifts at the National Championships, the Western Jet has shown he is able to both dominate, and hang with the best this draft crop has to offer. There is still room for improvement, but Khamis looks highly likely to land at the Western Bulldogs as a member of their Next Generation Academy with a bid matched in the 30-50 range, with a high ceiling on his potential.


After reading that Ill be staggered if we dont go for him
I think our coaches dream of having a lets say, back 12, that can all intercept mark and then run like mad
 

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the few times I've seem Buku pay he's looks like a phenomenal athlete with good skills. I'd be intersted in seeing what he could do behind the ball. He has decent size and leap and is quick.
Agree, when he played for the Doggies AFL this year he looked lost as a forward/ruck - reckon he looks much better suited to a behind the ball role.
 
Yeah me too. It makes sense though as Dogs are overflowing with forward marking targets. Maybe a straight swap for Ginnivan? I’m don’t want to lose him either but you have to give something to get something and we have Bobby Hill and Harrison already.

I like the idea of giving to get for needs. Ginni is best 22 next year no doubt, has more runs on board than Harrison also. Would be a bad deal for us
 
He’s an out of contract vfl player. We aren’t swapping Ginni for him
I hope we can pick him up on the cheap but I don’t think he’s as cheap on the open market as what you guys do. Khamis has a lot of potential. I like what Ginni brings but he’s a fringe player in our 22 and Khamis is more of what we need. I mentioned Ginni as there were also reports that the Dogs were interested in him.
 
I hope we can pick him up on the cheap but I don’t think he’s as cheap on the open market as what you guys do. Khamis has a lot of potential. I like what Ginni brings but he’s a fringe player in our 22 and Khamis is more of what we need. I mentioned Ginni as there were also reports that the Dogs were interested in him.
Ruscoe/bianco and a third with a 4th coming back
 
Yeah me too. It makes sense though as Dogs are overflowing with forward marking targets. Maybe a straight swap for Ginnivan? I’m don’t want to lose him either but you have to give something to get something and we have Bobby Hill and Harrison already.
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I hope we can pick him up on the cheap but I don’t think he’s as cheap on the open market as what you guys do. Khamis has a lot of potential. I like what Ginni brings but he’s a fringe player in our 22 and Khamis is more of what we need. I mentioned Ginni as there were also reports that the Dogs were interested in him.
You can get Khamis for a third rounder. He's depth. Prob takes ruscoe's spot on the list, could maybe be the future howe at 191cm.
But Ginni has no plans on leaving. Dogs aren't interested, they are going after Lohman.
Ginni is only fringe this year because of the not so ideal year he has had. Wont be the case next year. But somehow a fringe has managed to be best 23 in finals, I think he'll be just fine.
 
Big Footy: Ruscoe and Bianco aren’t worth much, they’ve only played 1/2 games this year. Delist or maybe a late 3rd rounder.

Also Big Footy: Let’s straight swap Ginnivan for Khamis.

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Khamis is prob better off choosing north if he plans to look elsewhere, if he wants opportunities. He probably just takes Ruscoe's spot on the vfl list.
And they'd offer more money/opportunities and contract.

Or who knows, he may decide to stay at the dogs.
 
Agree, when he played for the Doggies AFL this year he looked lost as a forward/ruck - reckon he looks much better suited to a behind the ball role.

IMO he looks lost as a back too (although my views are from his draft year not VFL matches).

As a player late into the system he lacks game awareness at times.

However as depth I no problem.
He does have good endurance so a WHE / Mason Wood / Kamdyn McIntosh type role might suit with his disposal into the forward 50 could be an strength.
 
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