List Mgmt. COLLINGWOOD Trade and F/A Discussion 2023

[Fonzeno1]

Kinda shocked that I still people saying we need to go for a key forward when we just won a flag without one against a team with one of the best key backs in the comp

I’d argue we probably don’t need one lol

Especially when McStay had literally just played his breakout game that showed everyone why we got him

We couldn't be far away from landing a good key forward. If I was a big key forward right now considering a move. I'd wanna get as close to Nick and Josh as possible.

 

[manicpie]

We could always trade 19 for a future first. There would be plenty of clubs expecting us to drop. We will get Schultz, don't stress. We will also probably end up with billings as well

 

[TradeDraft]

I’d walk away, a future first and another pick this year when we can get him for free next year? Hahahah dreaming….

Not 100% sure we get him this time next year.

1 year is a Long Time

 

[nahnah]

We could always trade 19 for a future first. There would be plenty of clubs expecting us to drop. We will get Schultz, don't stress. We will also probably end up with billings as well

Which clubs would trade a future first for pick 19 which is gonna end up in the 20's? It would be a dumb trade for them surely, we'd have to throw in more picks

 

[Fonzeno1]

Don't think waiting another year is acceptable for us. We need the strongest list possible next year. Having lost a best 22 player, we need to bring one in. Waiting is really not an option.

If we do wait it doesn't happen. Generally if you promise someone and fail it leaves a bitter taste like you don't think they're worth it.

 

[swoop42]

If we have our claws into someone already for next year and intend on using our F1 as part of a trade offer then pick #19 + F2 should be our final offer. Take it or leave it.

We just won a flag without Schultz and I'm keen anyway on seeing what the likes of Ginnivan, McInnes, Allan, Macrae and Harrison can produce next season and with no Adams plus no Schultz it will help keep one spot open.

If we aren't already laying the groundwork on landing a big fish next season then an argument could be made for the use of our F1 given our Premiership window is open. History would suggest you need to be in the ear of the big trade targets well in advance of them being available so we're probably already to late to the party if that isn't the case.

Trust Wright to make the correct call.

 

[partypie]

come to think of it, i'm probably ok giving them our future 1st as long as we get their future 2nd back

with that, there's a chance they'll then hold 2024 (#18) and we'll hold 2024 (#19)

Assuming we make top 4 again next year (which in itself is a difficult proposition year in, year out) an unlucky bounce of the ball here or there or the opposition kicking a bit straighter at a critical point in our first two finals matches could easily see results go the other way in finals next year under similar circumstances and hey presto our draft position moves up 4-5 spots.

It really doesn't take much to slip back and we're not really that far ahead of the pack, if indeed we are ahead at all.

Schultz is a solid small forward, but he's not a game breaker who can win a game off his own boot by any stretch of the imagination.

 

[manicpie]

Which clubs would trade a future first for pick 19 which is gonna end up in the 20's? It would be a dumb trade for them surely, we'd have to throw in more picks

That's not such a bad thing if we can get Schultz. I don't think people realise how valuable he'd be for us. It would make our forward line the most versatile and quickest in the comp

 

[partypie]

If we do wait it doesn't happen. Generally if you promise someone and fail it leaves a bitter taste like you don't think they're worth it.

I'm pretty sure that Schultz and his manager would understand the situation.

The contract offer (4 years with a trigger for a fifth on 500k+ per year) is a clear indication of our level of interest in him, but his manager would be expecting Freo to be reasonable about it now that the offer is on the table, as opposed to expecting us to pay any price they ask to get the deal done just because they've decided to be asses at the trade table over a player they've basically shit all over up to this point (from a contracting perspective).

To be honest I think we're unfairly copping some of the blow back from their anger over Liam Henry wanting to leave as well, if that wasn't in play then this Schultz deal would probably have already gotten done quietly for pick 19 which is a fair price by any measure.

 

[3rdMan]

If we do wait it doesn't happen. Generally if you promise someone and fail it leaves a bitter taste like you don't think they're worth it.

Also, as a free agent you'd have every cashed up garbage team offering more money and he'd be tempted.

Still, most importantly, we can't afford to miss out on bringing in a best 22 option for next year. We're contending again and need to give ourselves the best chance.

The deal will happen, just waiting to see the cost.

 

[manicpie]

If we have our claws into someone already for next year and intend on using our F1 as part of a trade offer then pick #19 + F2 should be our final offer. Take it or leave it.

We just won a flag without Schultz and I'm keen anyway on seeing what the likes of Ginnivan, McInnes, Allan, Macrae and Harrison can produce next season and with no Adams plus no Schultz it will help keep one spot open.

If we aren't already laying the groundwork on landing a big fish next season then an argument could be made for the use of our F1 given our Premiership window is open. History would suggest you need to be in the ear of the big trade targets well in advance of them being available so we're probably already to late to the party if that isn't the case.

Trust Wright to make the correct call.

I don't think we are going to chase a big fish next year. It depends how you define big fish. We certainly won't be giving a gun of the competition a long term lucrative contract. I can see us picking up an A grader or 2 but it won't be an A++ player

 

[TradeDraft]

Could a 3rd team get into the Schultz Trade?

 

[sam_e]

Assuming we make top 4 again next year (which in itself is a difficult proposition year in, year out) an unlucky bounce of the ball here or there or the opposition kicking a bit straighter at a critical point in our first two finals matches could easily see results go the other way in finals next year under similar circumstances and hey presto our draft position moves up 3-5 spots.

It really doesn't take much to slip back and we're not really that far ahead of the pack, if indeed we are ahead at all.

Schultz is a solid small forward, but he's not a game breaker who can win a game off his own boot by any stretch of the imagination.

my msg above was a tad tongue in cheek suggesting that we could/might finish 1st again in 2024 (hence Freo gets pick 18) with Freo also a non-zero chance of finishing last (hence we getting their pick 19) or in bottom 3.

ps: I did add an edit to my msg which said ..

"edit: i definitely wouldn't give up a future 1st".

 

[unplugged]

If Mackie was in charge of our list management he would've traded out a F2 on day one so that we didn't have the capacity to trade the F1 to Fremantle. He's just that much of a legend shit bloke

 

[partypie]

I don't think we are going to chase a big fish next year. It depends how you define big fish. We certainly won't be giving a gun of the competition a long term lucrative contract. I can see us picking up an A grader or 2 but it won't be an A++ player

Agreed - I reckon there's a number of off-broadway names we are probably putting some work into.

 

[12kilos]

Don't think waiting another year is acceptable for us. We need the strongest list possible next year. Having lost a best 22 player, we need to bring one in. Waiting is really not an option.

agree and disagree
Yes we lost a Best 22 player that IMHO is replacable within our list with a younger player .
Schultz is good but is not worth what Fremantle is asking for.
On abc sport they were talking to a Perth corespondant who has Shultz worth between 15 and 20
Personally that's all I would give

 

[danielnajdek]

Better not give them our future 1st. Teams can easily drop down the ladder with a heap of injuries.

 

[Bramax]

Yeah, Dal Santo is a poor man's Pendles.

Poor? How about busted ass broke.

 

[Jen2310]

Better not give them our future 1st. Teams can easily drop down the ladder with a heap of injuries.

Look at Geelong after they won the flag. never is ever guaranteed year on year.
Richmond sold the form for hopper and taranto and didn't make finals. You'd want to be 100% sure, as its a big riisk.

 

[TradeDraft]

Look at Geelong after they won the flag. never is ever guaranteed year on year.
Richmond sold the form for hopper and taranto and didn't make finals. You'd want to be 100% sure, as its a big riisk.

Geelong had lot of Old Players and Losing Duckwood was Huge

 

[Fonzeno1]

I'm pretty sure that Schultz and his manager would understand the situation.

The contract offer (4 years with a trigger for a fifth on 500k+ per year) is a clear indication of our level of interest in him, but his manager would be expecting Freo to be reasonable about it now that the offer is on the table, as opposed to expecting us to pay any price they ask to get the deal done just because they've decided to be asses at the trade table over a player they've basically s**t all over up to this point (from a contracting perspective).

To be honest I think we're unfairly copping some of the blow back from their anger over Liam Henry wanting to leave as well, if that wasn't in play then this Schultz deal would probably have already gotten done quietly for pick 19 which is a fair price by any measure.

Yeah you're probably right about all those things but it doesn't take away the disappointment or the fact that we could have but didn't. We should definitely not just roll over but if we put faith in our players and make them feel really valuable they'll do the same.

 

[HyPIEcrite]

It’s a tough one because he’s a handy player and if we don’t pay up there’s a chance that another club can do what we did re: Bobby and work on Schultz the whole year. But a future first AND another pick from this year is crazy overs


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[unplugged]

I'm not sure I'm as triggered as everyone else about the F1. Even if we slid to miss finals, you don't get a Nick Daicos or Sheezel very often who comes in straight away. There's also plenty that don't make it at all. Schultz is a known quantity.

We are in the hunt to stay at the top, right now.

BUT if it's F1 + something that's a shafting.

 

[Jen2310]

Geelong had lot of Old Players and Losing Duckwood was Huge

They have as many over 30's as we do. They copped injuries, which made them play depth when they weren't ready or kids who got exposure.
Selwood was a big loss, I agree.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

Which clubs would trade a future first for pick 19 which is gonna end up in the 20's? It would be a dumb trade for them surely, we'd have to throw in more picks

Collingwood 2019.