List Mgmt. COLLINGWOOD Trade and F/A Discussion 2023

[JuniorB]

Probably depends on the picks we have. Currently 19 34 39. If 19 goes for Schultz and we make no further list changes , we likely will pass on the 3rd pick which is very late and instead elevate AJ anyway then leave a rookie spot. If Begg is kept and he had to go to senior list then we could just swap him with Richards.

I think the other change the AFL is looking at is to be able to transfer a player directly to the rookie list, instead of the clumsy current procedure of delist, then redraft as rookie.
I agree that Richards would be the one to take the rookie spot.
He didn't look like he warranted a senior call up at any stage during the season.

 

[JuniorB]

I remember Pendles was being compared to NDS in his draft year.
They said he had a bit of Nick Dal Santo about him.
Looking back now, being compared to the GOAT was clearly the highlight of Nick Dal Santo’s career.

Yeah, Dal Santo is a poor man's Pendles.

 

[Mick F]

Its funny how someone goes from, a good player that nobody really talked about, to someone thats the new toby greene when said player is connected to collngwood lol His repuation seems to go higher by the day.
You'd think he was Jeremy Cameron at this point.

Wise to not take any notice of the halfwits. Sensible people aren’t saying anything like that.

 

[Jen2310]

COLLINGWOOD

— GOT Pick 33 from Sydney | GAVE AWAY Taylor Adams

3

Taylor Adams

Age

31

Ht

181cm

Wt

85kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

24.9

5star

K

13.5

5star

HB

11.4

5star

M

4.0

4star

T

4.8

5star

CL

5.0

5star

D

20.4

5star

K

12.4

5star

HB

8.0

4star

M

4.0

4star

T

5.9

5star

CL

5.9

5star

D

18.2

5star

K

11.0

4star

HB

7.2

5star

M

4.4

4star

T

3.0

5star

CL

2.2

4star

Summary: Lost Taylor Adams to the Swans, but it was clear as the year progressed that Adams was no longer a permanent member of its starting midfield brigade. Pick 33, considering the circumstances, was decent compensation. The Pies’ top priority is gun Fremantle forward Lachie Schultz, who wants to wear black and white next season. Schultz is contracted and the Dockers are tough talkers at the trade table, but the Pies are keen to strike a deal. It emerged late last week the Magpies had put Pick 19 — their natural 2023 first-round selection — on the table for Schultz, but the Dockers want Collingwood’s 2024 first-rounder in the hope the reigning premiers will slide down the ladder. Likely to go down to the deadline wire. Elsewhere, the Pies had held mild interest in contracted Saint Jack Billings, but that has reportedly cooled. They’re all in on Schultz.

What your club did this AFL trade period: Every player, pick and deal that was done

What your club did this AFL trade period: Every player, pick and deal that was done

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[sr36]

I think the other change the AFL is looking at is to be able to transfer a player directly to the rookie list, instead of the clumsy current procedure of delist, then redraft as rookie.
I agree that Richards would be the one to take the rookie spot.
He didn't look like he warranted a senior call up at any stage during the season.

Why don't they just get rid of the separate rookie list? Lists of 42 rather than 36+6. Does it serves purpose?

 

[Scodog10]

He fell in to the same trap that Ginni did last year. Finished the year as best 22 and just assumed he’d be in there in round 1 ‘23 so slacked off over the preseason. Hopefully this year has put a rocket up his arse, because if he applies himself at the same level as someone like Reef does then he could become anything.

I think the game has changed forever on the non-negotiables for a KPF, contest and workrate. If you don’t contest and get up and back you’re in trouble. AJ isn’t great at either and he hasn’t looked out of place. If he manages to get the type of pre-season in that allows him to do the up and back he is the type of guy that can do what you suggested Schultz won’t do by growing a leg mid career. I agree on Schultz like McStay no matter what system you put him in this is about it with him, but damn what he does is going to add a lot in our mix!

 

[Pedro]

Why don't they just rid of the separate rookie list? Lists of 42 rather than 36+6. Does it serves purpose?

Didn't rookies need to wait for a LTI before they could play back in the day? I don't think there is too much difference now and agree should just be one main list.

 

[Jen2310]

Collingwood have been prepared to entertain trading their future first-round pick for Schultz, according to a source with knowledge of discussions, but the clubs are at odds over what additional selection might be tied to that. The Dockers have told the Pies the pick they want on top of the future first, with Collingwood spending the weekend considering whether to accept the deal or walk away.

The Magpies had offered pick 19 in this year’s draft as part of a deal, but the Dockers were mindful that pick will stretch out to about 23 once bids for the three Gold Coast players and Western Bulldogs father-son prospect Jordan Croft come earlier in the first round.

Hawthorn are also likely to match a bid on another father-son eligible player, Will McCabe, before then.

Unless Collingwood wins the flag again next year, their future first-round pick will be more valuable than this year’s equivalent.
Schultz is a free agent at the end of next year. The compensation is based on the contract offered to the player, but it is doubtful any compensation would be better than an end of first-round pick.

The key AFL trades still to be completed as D-Day approaches

There are still plenty of trades yet to be agreed upon, including potential deals for Lachie Schultz, Jack Billings and Xavier Duursma, as the AFL’s annual swap fest reaches its final three days.

www.theage.com.au

 

[MagpieJoel]

The key AFL trades still to be completed as D-Day approaches

There are still plenty of trades yet to be agreed upon, including potential deals for Lachie Schultz, Jack Billings and Xavier Duursma, as the AFL’s annual swap fest reaches its final three days.

www.theage.com.au

He's not worth two picks ffs.

 

[JuniorB]

Why don't they just get rid of the separate rookie list? Lists of 42 rather than 36+6. Does it serves purpose?

IIRC, it allows clubs to list players and include only a portion of their salary in the cap.
I could be wrong - can someone confirm?
I agree that they should just have one list.

 

[Crazy Tails]

Saying pick 19 is not as good as it will be pushed back to 23 after bids is a furphy.

Freo would still have access to the 19th best player they can actually access so even though it is pick 23 in my mind it’s no different. Am I wrong?


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[Harry O]

Freo are a pack of idiots. No wonder their club is a continual failure

 

[TradeDraft]

He's not worth two picks ffs.

Then we just walk away from Freo and Schultz

 

[Scodog10]

I’d offer our future first for Schultz and leave it as that.

Back ourselves in for another GF appearance and it be pick 20 odd anyway.

They would be playing the deathride game.

It’ll be 20+ and I would hope the resistance on here isn’t the “what if we tumble” narrative that the media are pushing. I’m not keen on it because a quick look at our list suggests to me that we’ve staggered contracts to make a serious play at someone or multiple someone’s post 2024. If we’re going hard at trade time next year without a 1st Rd pick to play with we’ll very quickly find ourselves in a Port 2023 situation. If that 2024 1st is on the table I’d be making sure Fremantle tip in both their 2024 2nd and the Henry compensation.

 

[sr36]

IIRC, it allows clubs to list players and include only a portion of their salary in the cap.
I could be wrong - can someone confirm?
I agree that they should just have one list.

Yeah rookie list base salaries don't count in the cap. Which means there's a cap advantage of having the maximum 6 on the rookie list. No idea why this is incentivised.

 

[TradeDraft]

It’ll be 20+ and I would hope the resistance on here isn’t the “what if we tumble” narrative that the media are pushing. I’m not keen on it because a quick look at our list suggests to me that we’ve staggered contracts to make a serious play at someone or multiple someone’s post 2024. If we’re going hard at trade time next year without a 1st Rd pick to play with we’ll very quickly find ourselves in a Port 2023 situation. If that 2024 1st is on the table I’d be making sure Fremantle tip in both their 2024 2nd and the Henry compensation.

I don't listen to the Idiots in the Media about where Teams will Finish even before Pre-Season of that Season has not even Started yet

 

[SchuPie]

The key AFL trades still to be completed as D-Day approaches

There are still plenty of trades yet to be agreed upon, including potential deals for Lachie Schultz, Jack Billings and Xavier Duursma, as the AFL’s annual swap fest reaches its final three days.

www.theage.com.au

Please CFC, 2024 1st

 

[TradeDraft]

 

[Pedro]

After last time, trading of Future 1st round picks should be as rare as the Aussie Test team enforcing a follow on.

 

[sr36]

I love that deals gather momentum.

 

[Go Woods]

McStay appears to play a similar role to what Tom Lynch does at Richmond. Compete and bring the ball to ground where possible.

So I think next season if McStay is injury free then Beau, Schultz and Hill will thrive.

The concern is who is the next young forward after Checkers and McStay? We don't have anyone cooking?

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JUH, needs to be our no:1 target.

 

[partypie]

not across the detail ..what's proposed (increased rooks spots? &/or tenure?) and what's likely timing?

Just an extra year for players picked up in the MSD, as an acknowledgement that they come in under more difficult circumstances and miss out on the extra bit of development that comes from doing that first (AFL) pre-season that players picked up in the end of year rookie draft get.

 

[unplugged]

I love that deals gather momentum.

The best ones are Tuesday when the media says they expect it to be done soon. It's not like by that stage they can be done later!

 

[TakingThePies]

Saying pick 19 is not as good as it will be pushed back to 23 after bids is a furphy.

Freo would still have access to the 19th best player they can actually access so even though it is pick 23 in my mind it’s no different. Am I wrong?


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The draft outside the top 20 this year is extremely thin. Particularly with the WA boys.

 

[SchuPie]

JUH, needs to be our no:1 target.

Sounds like we’ll have a 2nd rounder available in 2024 to use to bring him in