List Mgmt. COLLINGWOOD Trade and F/A Discussion 2023

[anshell]

Lycett to retire, so will not be wasting a list spot on him View attachment 1842438

Well,that’s one name we can cross off our list of possible recruits.And probably a good thing too.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Well,that’s one name we can cross off our list of possible recruits.And probably a good thing too.

Maybe he retired BECAUSE we crossed his name out.

 

[JuniorB]

Lycett to retire, so will not be wasting a list spot on him View attachment 1842438

Thank f**k for that!

 

[Go Woods]

Here are some highlights.

Looks like a genuine medium forward.
Hope we go best available key forward/back or speedy outside mid, but if it's Tholstrup then I'd be happy with that.

 

[KinderSmock]

We could be considering Sam Hayes from Port. He was delisted today. 205cm player, ruck, played four games ...

 

[Kappa]

No, he said that he had blurry vision after the tests were over at the start of the second quarter, hence why he went back to the doctors and took himself out of the game.
If he’d had blurry vision immediately after the hit, he’d have told them and they’d have taken him out of the game immediately.
I know you love to think of yourself as some sort of self anointed expert on concussion, but you’re trying to criticise our medicos for the sake of it here. Get off your soapbox, take a seat and let the real doctors that the club employs make the calls on Murphy. They’re in a far better position to do so than you are.

So you support the decision to send Murphy back onto the field after getting smashed on the jaw at full speed and rolling around on the ground holding his head for 30 seconds? For a bloke who regularly gets concussed? You seriously think that's a smart move for his long term health? Yes or no. Everyone with a brain knew at that moment he was concussed, it was obvious, and he was.

This may shock some people but you actually can disagree with someone who has a medical degree, to deny that is an appeal to authority fallacy.

I said at the time he was concussed and shouldn't of come back on, I was right. I said Paddy McCartin shouldn't of been allowed to come back, I was right. Maybe when the experts are getting it so badly wrong we need to discuss it, no?

 

[soreplums]

One way to look at Henry is he set up a premiership. We took him for two years, developed him a little then on the trading table relieved Hawthorn of the burden of Tom Mitchell who won a flag for us.

If Henry was worth pick 25 after playing 25 games over two years and kicking 28 goals, I’m looking forward to Geelong accepting a 2nd rounder/early third for Jhye Clarke

 

[Kappa]

On your last sentence, he said that he wasn't feeling unwell when he had the test (which he does know by heart) and he didn't have the blurry vision until after the test. That's when he came clean and he was ruled out.

Medical science isn't perfect and who said that the concussion test is the only thing that they rely upon? They would have checked pupil dilation for starters and various other physical tests.

If the symptom are delayed then they are delayed.

Yep, it isn't perfect, that's part of my argument.

If a bloke with a weak jaw... a long concussion history.. gets SMASHED...in the side of the jaw, when he wasn't expecting it.. I would probably say they will get concussed from that... and many people experience delayed symptoms, so a lack of symptoms immediately after means nothing, passing the "test" (that he knows off by heart) also means nothing, so then you have to go by common sense... and common sense say's he most likely is concussed.

 

[sr36]

So you support the decision to send Murphy back onto the field after getting smashed on the jaw at full speed and rolling around on the ground holding his head for 30 seconds? For a bloke who regularly gets concussed? You seriously think that's a smart move for his long term health? Yes or no. Everyone with a brain knew at that moment he was concussed, it was obvious, and he was.

This may shock some people but you actually can disagree with someone who has a medical degree, to deny that is an appeal to authority fallacy.

I said at the time he was concussed and shouldn't of come back on, I was right. I said Paddy McCartin shouldn't of been allowed to come back, I was right. Maybe when the experts are getting it so badly wrong we need to discuss it, no?

So rather than using protocols, you're advocating for the Kappa vibe to run the show?

P.S. Why are you declaring that you were right with Paddy?

 

[The Royal Sampler]

Didn’t Murphy say he can pass the test because he knows it off by heart? And that he had blurry vision immediately after the hit? (Concussion symptom)

He said he knows it off by heart, but knowing the questions off by heart won’t help you pass the test.

If you know they are going to ask you “who scored last in the game?” it doesn’t help you unless you know who scored last in the game. It’s not like they always ask “who did Ken Sheldon play for?” or “for which movie did Russell Crowe win Best Actor?”.

 

[Kappa]

So rather than using protocols, you're advocating for the Kappa vibe to run the show?

P.S. Why are you declaring that you were right with Paddy?

No, if you read what I said the answer was using a bit of common sense, like when a guy with a massive concussion history gets smashed in the jaw, when he wasn't expecting it, you should probably expect a concussion, no?

It's like a guy who constantly tears his hamstring is running full speed then pulls up holding his hamstring and grimacing... sometimes common sense is right ?

"but but but y-you can't a-argue with a doctor !!" Appeal to authority fallacy, many people in this forum use it. "A doctor said it so it's true and if you argue you have no idea".

 

[sr36]

No, if you read what I said the answer was using a bit of common sense, like when a guy with a massive concussion history gets smashed in the jaw, when he wasn't expecting it, you should probably expect a concussion, no?

Yeah fair chance.

Essentially your saying that you want the protocols changed to include past concussion history? Is that right?

I have no idea what the testing procedures are or what's informed them or what they should be. And I'm very confident that they'll change over time as more is learnt. But I don't have any respect for a Google based vibe view that is adamant that the current protocols should be changed to match the whim of that view.

It's not succumbing to a logical fallacy to think a layperson should stop carrying on as though they're an expert who has an extremely well researched and informed opinion on what the protocols should be.

Murphy got hit. He then passed the tests and was free to play. The doctor who cleared him didn't write the protocols or design the tests. What do you want the Medicos to do? Re-write the protocols and design new tests in 2 minutes at quarter time of the grand final because some layperson thinks he has a better idea and has a bad vibe? Sounds like a great idea...

 

[TradeDraft]

We could be considering Sam Hayes from Port. He was delisted today. 205cm player, ruck, played four games ...

Was talk last year we where looking at him as a Possible Trade

 

[jmac70]

We could be considering Sam Hayes from Port. He was delisted today. 205cm player, ruck, played four games ...

Sounds very underwhelming

 

[Apex36]

So you support the decision to send Murphy back onto the field after getting smashed on the jaw at full speed and rolling around on the ground holding his head for 30 seconds? For a bloke who regularly gets concussed? You seriously think that's a smart move for his long term health? Yes or no. Everyone with a brain knew at that moment he was concussed, it was obvious, and he was.

Oh, you knew did you Dr Kappa? Congratulations on your armchair diagnosing skills, you truly are a marvel.

This may shock some people but you actually can disagree with someone who has a medical degree, to deny that is an appeal to authority fallacy.

You can disagree all you like. Most of the time you’ll be wrong. Because you don’t have a medical degree and are talking out your arse.

I said at the time he was concussed and shouldn't have come back on, I was right. I said Paddy McCartin shouldn't have been allowed to come back, I was right. Maybe when the experts are getting it so badly wrong we need to discuss it, no?

You’ve convinced me with your amazing anecdotes about being right Kappa. I’ll never trust a medical professional again.

 

[Peter Sidorkiewicz]

We could be considering Sam Hayes from Port. He was delisted today. 205cm player, ruck, played four games ...

We don’t need another project ruck unless Begg converts to a full time key position player.

 

[JLC]

Rendall rated Hayes very highly - remember a few times on trade radio mentioning Hayes and not being fussed re Grundy.

To me it's more about the attitude and work ethic of Hayes. That part I am not sure of and don't know enough.

Hayes is more credentialled than Darcy Cameron

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Darcy Cameron

Age

29

Ht

204cm

Wt

103kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

6.0

1star

K

3.3

1star

HB

2.7

2star

CL

0.3

2star

HO

5.3

5star

D

7.5

2star

K

4.5

2star

HB

3.0

2star

CL

0.5

3star

HO

3.5

5star

D

6.0

2star

K

3.3

2star

HB

2.7

3star

CL

0.3

2star

HO

5.3

5star

was when he was recruited?

So yeah if the attitude and personality is right then would be handy depth.



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[JuniorB]

Rendall rated Hayes very highly - remember a few times on trade radio mentioning Hayes and not being fussed re Grundy.

To me it's more about the attitude and work ethic of Hayes. That part I am not sure of and don't know enough.

Hayes is more credentialled than Darcy Cameron was when he was recruited?

So yeah if the attitude and personality is right then would be handy depth.



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He isn't 25 until June next year, so, at least age wise, he is better than Lycett, who we were supposed to be interested in.
Whether he is any good or not, I have no idea about, and with Sweet coming in, he won't get a game.
Would he be a decent stop gap until Steene gets up to speed?

 

[KinderSmock]

We don’t need another project ruck unless Begg converts to a full time key position player.

Hayes isn't a project ruck. He's 24 and ready to play now. At the end of the day, he's more ready than Beggy to fill in at AFL level.

 

[KinderSmock]

Rendall rated Hayes very highly - remember a few times on trade radio mentioning Hayes and not being fussed re Grundy.

To me it's more about the attitude and work ethic of Hayes. That part I am not sure of and don't know enough.

Hayes is more credentialled than Darcy Cameron was when he was recruited?

So yeah if the attitude and personality is right then would be handy depth.



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We were keen on him last year and I think he may have done a medical at the club but we chose not to pursue the trade.

 

[Apex36]

Hayes is more credentialled than Darcy Cameron was when he was recruited?

Out of curiosity, what’s this based on? AFL games played? When you’ve only got a handful of games to your name, I’m not sure that the difference of a couple of games is much in the way of credentials. What was Hayes’ SANFL form like? I do remember that Cameron had a very strong year in the twos as a ruck/fwd when we recruited him, if Hayes was just OK at state level it probably says quite a bit about where he’s at vs Cameron when we traded for him.

 

[Pragmatic Shill]

If we really do need ruck depth, there's worse we can get than Sam Hayes. Not going to be first choice for us, ever, but is fine insurance.

 

[regpies]

still haunts me along with that other donkey Vardy who both played above themselves big time in 2018 GF..

We had no tall defenders let alone 3 to cover Darling, Kennedy along with the resting ruck.

Cox and Grundy played 90% game time, Lycett and Vardy both 60%. Easy when you are the freshest guy on the ground against an exhausted opponent.

 

[tmpies01]

Heard a few weeks ago that the Pies are interested in DFA Emerson Jeka. Anything changed?

 

[Jen2310]

Heard a few weeks ago that the Pies are interested in DFA Emerson Jeka. Anything changed?

we'll see in the next week, but its been pretty quiet, apart from previous interest in lycett.