List Mgmt. COLLINGWOOD Trade and F/A Discussion 2023

[sideswipe]

The AFL sucks at attracting international talent beyond Ireland. Right plan of attack and there's talent out there.

You're always going to get busts in the case of Will Kelly. You see that across every major sporting league in the world.

Covid killed off the chances of further US recruits in the near term. Remember Jason Holmes? 5 games for the Saints and ended up playing for Old Xavs.

 

[Scodog10]

This is fun to talk about but we couldn’t even turn Will Kelly- very athletic, grew up playing the game, 5 years in an elite system (maybe even call it 7 years of semi-elite with the last few years of juniors) into a really successful AFL player.

How many years of US Combines to produce one Mason Cox? And you can almost guarantee that if he was “only” 6 foot 6 he wouldn’t have made it.

I don’t think it can ever be undersold just how important Cox’s point of difference has been in his time in the system. Being 7 foot is a deal in the NBA let alone AFL and all this talk of translatable skills is great and all, but largely pointless unless it’s in relation to a 360 degree sport.

 

[JuniorB]

Interesting article about George Stevens - could be a player of interest in the draft.
Sounds like a good kid.

Rebel with a cause: Powerful mid makes most of ACL heartbreak

George Stevens had a stellar finish to his underage career after suffering a devastating knee injury last year

www.afl.com.au

 

[manicpie]

Interesting article about George Stevens - could be a player of interest in the draft.
Sounds like a good kid.

Rebel with a cause: Powerful mid makes most of ACL heartbreak

George Stevens had a stellar finish to his underage career after suffering a devastating knee injury last year

www.afl.com.au

He's been done to death, he's too chubby

 

[Antz]

Interesting article about George Stevens - could be a player of interest in the draft.
Sounds like a good kid.

Rebel with a cause: Powerful mid makes most of ACL heartbreak

George Stevens had a stellar finish to his underage career after suffering a devastating knee injury last year

www.afl.com.au

He might be a goer. Cal Twomey has him going at pick 28 in his phantom draft.

 

[JOELY]

Surprised how much discussion Stevens has started on here seeing we already have a young slow inside mid who has waited for his chance all year because we are so reluctant to play more than one player of that type. Would be very surprised if we're interested.

 

[Bianconeri]

Surprised how much discussion Stevens has started on here seeing we already have a young slow inside mid who has waited for his chance all year because we are so reluctant to play more than one player of that type. Would be very surprised if we're interested.

Stevens has a different build

 

[KinderSmock]

What's the big attraction to athletes in other sports from other countries playing footy? It's just a novelty.

Focus on the talent we already have here and if a few from other sports elsewhere make a successful crossover, great. If not, big deal?

Expands the game, grows the sport, more talent, better quality of play. Do you really want the AFL to continue as an Australia-only sport with a smaller talent pool? No.

The NFL is on a mission to globalise. No reason Aussie rules can’t, either.

 

[KinderSmock]

Surprised how much discussion Stevens has started on here seeing we already have a young slow inside mid who has waited for his chance all year because we are so reluctant to play more than one player of that type. Would be very surprised if we're interested.

Depth is not a bad idea given we’ll lose Mitchell, Sidebottom and Pendlebury in a short space of time.

No reason why Allan, Stevens and Macrae can’t replace them.

 

[KinderSmock]

Yeah but what’s the point?

If we manage to turn some Latvian wrestler into a decent forward pocket- what does that achieve?

I’d argue AFL money is far better spent on reducing registration costs for juniors, further promotion of AFL to recent migrant communities, CTE research, getting people actually interested in AFL in GWS and GC, getting Tassie in and viable… international players would be about 26th on my list of priorities!

That said I absolutely love the Mason Cox story and found him becoming a premiership player was just incredible.

That’s all true but growth of the game gives the AFL revenue to invest into grass roots sport.

 

[sr36]

Expands the game, grows the sport, more talent, better quality of play. Do you really want the AFL to continue as an Australia-only sport with a smaller talent pool? No.

It's going to continue as an Aussie only sport.

 

[KinderSmock]

It's going to continue as an Aussie only sport.

Attitudes will have to change soon because if players want more money, it has to come from somewhere.

 

[brysie]

Expands the game, grows the sport, more talent, better quality of play. Do you really want the AFL to continue as an Australia-only sport with a smaller talent pool? No.

The NFL is on a mission to globalise. No reason Aussie rules can’t, either.

Would you say that the recruitment of Tadgh Kenneally, Zac Tuohy et al has grown the sport in a significant way?

Despite another absolutism from you, maintaining the AFL as a primarily Australian sport hasn't diminished or reduced the talent pool. Australia's population continues to grow, as does the involvement of 2 of the 3 most populous states in Australia.

 

[sr36]

Attitudes will have to change soon because if players want more money, it has to come from somewhere.

For most of the game's history, footy has been a part time gig after a day job.

What makes you think there is a need for wages to go from very high to extraordinarily high? Or whatever wage growth you seem to view as a necessity.

 

[ElliottsMaggies]

Expands the game, grows the sport, more talent, better quality of play. Do you really want the AFL to continue as an Australia-only sport with a smaller talent pool? No.

The NFL is on a mission to globalise. No reason Aussie rules can’t, either.

Pfft. Our sport is doing just fine in Australia. I couldn't care less whether any other country is interested in AFL or not tbh.

We have plenty of young kids growing up here playing footy, invest in them & grow the sport for those who don't have access in remote communities, country football, migrant communities.

I'm not interested in going global with AFL at all nor am I interested in playing any games overseas, no.

We have plenty of people who are living in Australia who were either born overseas or their parents were, who play our game..invest in those kids. I'd much prefer investing in those already living in Australia who didn't grow up playing football rather than recruit adults from other countries who currently play gridiron or baseball. Seems a waste of resources & time to me.

 

[KinderSmock]

For most of the game's history, footy has been a part time gig after a day job.

What makes you think there is a need for wages to go from very high to extraordinarily high? Or whatever wage growth you seem to view as a necessity.

The players want it, almost expect it. More money in the game means more investment. You want better half-time entertainment? It has to come from somewhere.

 

[Scodog10]

Attitudes will have to change soon because if players want more money, it has to come from somewhere.

Australia’s population is growing at a ridiculous rate and will be 36 million by 2050 the money will come without growing into an already over saturated market.

 

[sr36]

The players want it, almost expect it. More money in the game means more investment. You want better half-time entertainment? It has to come from somewhere.

Better half time entertainment?

We need to become a global sport so that we can have better half time entertainment?

 

[Scodog10]

Better half time entertainment?

We need to become a global sport so that we can have better half time entertainment?

If we’re growing the game for the sake of growing the game (KS’ push it seems) then full time umpires >>>> better HT entertainment…

Edit: while we’re at it better female infrastructure as well.

 

[brysie]

The players want it, almost expect it. More money in the game means more investment. You want better half-time entertainment? It has to come from somewhere.

More money in the game means more investment? Isn't it the inverse - if there's more investment in the game, then there's more money.

 

[JuniorB]

Stevens has a different build

He's 189cm & 100kg, so he's a solid, powerful unit.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

Quarterbacks need good awareness.


Is that an issue they're not touching it enough? Those guys are training hard. College football practice is not light, neither is the NFL. It's all relative to the sport and I don't think not touching it enough is sufficient reason not to recruit if they have the talent.

Athletes in lots of sports train hard. The issue is that the skills that they’re training in do not necessarily project to AFL.

I think NFL would be a poor sport to mine potential AFL talent from, but if I had to pick a position I’d venture safeties, as they have to make quick decisions, be evasive, tackle well, and be able to track the ball and their opponent in the air. Again, the stereotype is that if you were good at catching the ball, you’d be a receiver and not a defensive back though.

 

[Jen2310]

Cal said Stevens could be anywhere between 25-50 in the draft. Its how maligned he is with recruiters. Could be a steal or could be a risk. Someone will take the punt.

 

[sr36]

If we’re growing the game for the sake of growing the game (KS’ push it seems) then full time umpires >>>> better HT entertainment…

Edit: while we’re at it better female infrastructure as well.

I'm more than happy with what nature gives them.

 

[JuniorB]

Cal said Stevens could be anywhere between 25-50 in the draft. Its how maligned he is with recruiters. Could be a steal or could be a risk. Someone will take the punt.

We do need inside mids coming through to partner Nick, so we'll see if our recruiters think he fits the bill.
He did get 29 disposals for the Geelong VFL side in a game against our VFL boys, which is pretty good.