List Mgmt. COLLINGWOOD Trade and F/A Discussion

[manicmagpie]

They'd probably love to do that but why would we?

Because if Daicos falls to pick 3 we won't need 27 to match the points, and we'll instead get a 2nd rounder back for next year.

 

[TheGreatSwan]

We have over half our squad coming out of contract in 2022. I can see a lot list spots opening after the 2022 season. Next year could be a big FA/Trade or Draft period for us.

In terms of our young crop:
Could be make or break for these players in my opinion:

• Callum Brown
• Tyler Brown
• Will Kelly
• Mark Keane
• Nathan Murphy
• Tom Wilson

Not sure where these players sit honestly (Begg and Johnson just joined our Football program):

• Aiden Begg
• Ash Johnson
• Isaac Chugg
• Liam McMahon

These players shouldn't be at any risk you would think:

• Oliver Henry
• Beau McCreery
• Caleb Poulter
• Finlay Macrae
• Jack Ginnivan
• Trent Bianco
• Reef McInnes

Then from our senior cohort:
You would expect these players to resign long-term (but there is the impending risk of FA for Maynard/Moore/De Goey who will likely ask for big contracts)

• Brayden Maynard
• Darcy Moore
• Jordan De Goey
• Isaac Quaynor
• Josh Daicos

This is the group I find most interesting. We can't tip them all out because we need experience there for the benefit of the youth. But something to consider:

• Jamie Elliott (FA): Unlikely to be in our next premiership team, could get decent compensation if he leaves as a FA.
• Jeremy Howe: Starting to become very injury prone. Still has some trade currency to a team in contention.
• Will Hoskin-Elliott: Fringe player. Don't think we'd get much currency.
• Jordan Roughead: Twilight years. Might retire? But then again not sure who takes his spot. Maybe re-contract on minimum coin?
• Steele Sidebottom (FA): I'm not sure if the end has come very quickly for him or he's woefully out of form. Doubt he retires though, resign or FA compensation?

 

[Bussie]

Any DFA that we could rookie list?
Hartley might be a good back up for Moore if he goes down. 27, 198cm 104 kgs....Good ressies player that could swing in if needed. We saw how much e relied on Moore and Howe when they went down, we were exposed more than Tommy Lee. We have a lot of depth in mids and a few forwards developing, but we seem a bit thin down back.
Someone suggested that Schlensong was a left sided Moore, that sound pretty tempting too. We wouldn't have to worry about the oppo forward 50 if they can't get it in there at all.
Even Marty Gleeson may be worth a shot, experienced player, medium defender, would easily keep Madge out and I probably won't lose another hair follicle when he gets the ball...unlike Madge.

 

[Apex36]

So there was a "maybe" on picking up a DFA. You'd think we'd look at a Brander MAYBE but you can just imagine it being Lonie now after we went looking a couple of years ago

Brander on a 1 year deal makes too much sense. More sense than overlooking him and retaining Madgen at least…

 

[PyrrhicVic]

We have over half our squad coming out of contract in 2022. I can see a lot list spots opening after the 2022 season. Next year could be a big FA/Trade or Draft period for us.

In terms of our young crop:
Could be make or break for these players in my opinion:

• Callum Brown
• Tyler Brown
• Will Kelly
• Mark Keane
• Nathan Murphy
• Tom Wilson
• Reef McInnes

Not sure where these players sit honestly (Begg and Johnson just joined our Football program):

• Aiden Begg
• Ash Johnson
• Isaac Chugg
• Liam McMahon

These players shouldn't be at any risk you would think:

• Oliver Henry
• Beau McCreery
• Caleb Poulter
• Finlay Macrae
• Jack Ginnivan
• Trent Bianco

Then from our senior cohort:
You would expect these players to resign long-term (but there is the impending risk of FA for Maynard/Moore/De Goey who will likely ask for big contracts)

• Brayden Maynard
• Darcy Moore
• Jordan De Goey
• Isaac Quaynor
• Josh Daicos

This is the group I find most interesting. We can't tip them all out because we need experience there for the benefit of the youth. But something to consider:

• Jamie Elliott (FA): Unlikely to be in our next premiership team, could get decent compensation if he leaves as a FA.
• Jeremy Howe: Starting to become very injury prone. Still has some trade currency to a team in contention.
• Will Hoskin-Elliott: Fringe player. Don't think we'd get much currency.
• Jordan Roughead: Twilight years. Might retire? But then again not sure who takes his spot. Maybe re-contract on minimum coin?
• Steele Sidebottom (FA): I'm not sure if the end has come very quickly for him or he's woefully out of form. Doubt he retires though, resign or FA compensation?

Good summary, but you must’ve made a typo putting McInnes in “make or break”...hasn’t even played a game

I think he’ll be the best rated youngster next year from the 2020 draft, has all the attributes.

 

[Apex36]

They'd probably love to do that but why would we?

Why wouldn’t we? It gives us a full suite of picks for next year.

 

[partypie]

Any chance Saints trade us future 2nd and pick 66 for 27?

Maybe during the live draft, but I'd want to be trading pick 27 to a potentially weaker team than the Saints if we can manage it, as it would give us more leverage to get back into the 25-30 range if we wanted to.

 

[soreplums]

Leigh Montana with DH King on SEN analysis on all clubs premiership window years, has us 2026-2030

Happy to wait until 2026 to win 5 in a row

 

[TheGreatSwan]

Good summary, but you must’ve made a typo putting McInnes in “make or break”...hasn’t even played a game

I think he’ll be the best rated youngster next year from the 2020 draft, has all the attributes.

Ooops wrong list. Thanks for pointing that out. Edited.

 

[jmac70]

Happy to wait until 2016 to win 5 in a row

Didn’t know SEN was still going. People actually still listen to that garbage?

 

[Prochard123]

Brander on a 1 year deal makes too much sense. More sense than overlooking him and retaining Madgen at least…

We are probably the perfect club for Brander.

He gets genuine AFL either as KPD or KPF with us.

We also have limited salary and picks, and Brander is likely to be better than whichever KPP is available late.

 

[pablo disco bar]

Or we could not delist a contracted player.

Just can't play him

Nice

 

[pablo disco bar]

Now

Just Play Him !

Now or never

 

[Ingy]

"But if we stay healthy".

Just my opinion, but a fundamental flaw in your logic is the value you give to the idea of a "best 22". No doubt our best 22 looks great on paper. But you'll find most clubs have a good looking best 22. How often do you think you'll be able to put out a best 22? You'll be lucky to do it once or twice a season.

Just to give you some context, Brisbane used the lowest amount of players this season with 32 players. Collingwood used 39 players. The average players used across 18 clubs was 37 players.

One team of 22 will win on grand final day, but it's the entire squad that gets you into a position to play in that grand final.

This is the greatest challenge for Collingwood now or any team in a rebuild. Things fall away very quickly after the best 22. Not saying there isn't talent there to work with, but we need to be patient and give them time to develop.

Massively disagree. There isn't a clear cut best 22 at the moment. I would throw a blanket over a group that included Noble, Henry, WHE, Bianco, McInnes, Macrae, McCreery and Ginnivan as all potentially but not necessarily deserving one of the last spots in the 22. And Madgen and Murphy aren't far behind that group.

I think our weakness right now is at the top end. The second half of our best ten players aren't great. After Moore, De Goey, Maynard, Crisp, Adams our next five have chinks in their armour. Pendles is getting on, Sidey might be cooked, Howe is a bit banged up, Mihocek needs to be a third tall forward not a first or second, Elliott is injury-prone and closer to the finish than the start.

We need guys like Quaynor, Josh Daicos, and even this new bloke Lipinski to move on up and displace guys like Pendles and Sidey at our top end. But we do actually have some best 22 depth, IMO

 

[Countrypie]

Happy to wait until 2026 to win 5 in a row

Just 5?

 

[soreplums]

Surely Brander and Schenslog are upgrades on Magden

 

[Quicky]

Constable is a clear case of 0 downside and medium upside.

Bring him in with as a DFA pay him $150k.

Chuck him in the midfield round 1, if he doesn’t work out by round 5/6 fk him off and delist him later.

We already missed out on Brodie we can’t miss out on another clear opportunity in a position of weakness too...

Constable might as well be Wills for what he'd add to our midfield. There's a reason Geelong (who have as big a gap in that age profile as us) have chosen to delist him. He's slow as treacle and he's a good footballer, just not at AFL level.

 

[Crazy Tails]

So based on current list spots I can't see us splitting 27 for two later picks this year. Would have to be one later one this year and a future pick or two futures (depending on where ND bid comes).

As I've previously stated I'd be seeing if we can do a swap with the Eagles; 27 & 36 for 29 and their future 2nd.

 

[Prexm]

Any chance Saints trade us future 2nd and pick 66 for 27?

Think the plan would be pre draft to get 41 from Brisbane for Hawks future 3rd we have . Then trade out 55 for a future 3rd , this covers 2400 just in case the bid at 1 comes. Then ideally if Daicos does not get called out in the first 2 do the Saints trade.

 

[Quicky]

Similar to Brander, just give him a shot as a KPP on base contract.

We are not competing and we are not losing on anything.

It’s not like we have elite KPP talent at either end and this would hurt their development...

Is Brander a good intercept mark? If he can do that he might make a good tall defender, perhaps a third tall. That might mean less Madgen. And more athleticism than Wilson and Murphy.

 

[soreplums]

Think the plan would be pre draft to get 41 from Brisbane for Hawks future 3rd we have . Then trade out 55 for a future 3rd , this covers 2400 just in case the bid at 1 comes. Then ideally if Daicos does not get called out in the first 2 do the Saints trade.

How many picks will Richmond take to the draft?
27 for their 38/40 and F2?

Gives them 7, 15, 26,27,28 and 40 which will come in a couple of spots after bids.

They have their 2022 2nd rounder and North’s

 

[jmac70]

How many picks will Richmond take to the draft?
27 for their 38/40 and F2?

Gives them 7, 15, 26,27,28 and 40 which will come in a couple of spots after bids.

They have their 2022 2nd rounder and North’s

That’s a lot of good picks. Let’s hope they stuff it up and select a whole heap of potatoes

 

[Ingy]

So if North bid on Daicos at 1 we don't have enough points right? 2400 inc discount?

They aren't going to though

 

[whiskeytown]

One of Brander, Schlensog etc as a DFA makes sense

Need the extra young KPP considering

— the very speculative nature of the ones we got ... McMahon, Kelly, Keane, Johnson, Krueger, Begg... how many of those will be in the list in 2023-24?

— the injury profile of Moore

— the fact Roughead, Howe and Madgen need replacing in 1-3 years

 

[LarryKinn]

One of Brander, Schlensog etc as a DFA makes sense

Need the extra young KPP considering

— the very speculative nature of the ones we got ... McMahon, Kelly, Keane, Johnson, Krueger, Begg... how many of those will be in the list in 2024-25?

— the injury profile of Moore

— the fact Roughead, Howe and Madgen need replacing in 1-3 years

I'd like to replace Madgen right now