List Mgmt. COLLINGWOOD Trade and F/A Discussion

[Moore of the Same]

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Thats a nice looking dog.

 

[Curto]

Just good job so far Wrighty. So impressive.

I could not see a way of getting the extra Daics points without trading a very good player, trading our '22 1st or going into deficit. It was a conundrum.

Trading our '22 2nd 3rd & 4th with what we got from GC, just gives us so many options. Points for Daics, at pick 1, get Kreuger (and prob Lippa).Just as importantly it locks in next years 1st. Not an option for other clubs in negotiation which i like.

A haul of Daics, Kreuger, Lippa and Dib, together with last years crop is just a geat return and gives me lotsa confidence in our rebuild and the future.

McRae, Leppa, Bolton and now Jetta are just inspired choices and just fill you with confidence.

Now we wait for the bid on Daics. If 1, so be it, just get Dib and its over prob. If not, would we trade 22 to GWS for say '22 2nd Rounder, as long as they didn't do something silly like pick Daics at 2, must be Darcy and their guy, then Daics slips to 4 and we end up with another pick in 30's or so? So GWS get a bargain if they do the right things for themselves.

PS Of all the key forwards names mentioned Callow, Riccardi, Hogan, Wright blah blah .... i am very confident we got the right man, esp after we were sniffing around last year.

 

[Countrypie]

Don’t stress about brothers. I am happy for Jackson Macrae and Jack Henry to request trades to Collingwood

I'm wondering why they haven't already.

 

[JoinDate]

I just hope that we’ve done our medical due diligence. That’s a lot to pay for an injury prone type.

Pick in the 50's too much?

this is an asset that Dogs wanted to keep,

Did they though, or did they know he was likely to request a trade and offered him a contract purely for posturing.

 

[Seedsfan]

That’s fine. Maybe in 2023 we will have a Better set of key forwards than Cameron and he can revert to being the backup ruck.

As I said, ceglar and Lynch played two games for us in total so unclear to me why you think plucking another first year player out of nowhere will be any better depth than Cox.

He wll be more than adequate for a year. Maybe more, who knows.

Retain Cox and recruit another next generation 200 cm project player ... but don’t expect this kid to be immediate depth.

( this is all assuming lynch leaves which is not set in stone yet)

Cox doesn’t even ruck in the twos there is no point keeping him. Better off rucking Roughy

Both those blokes didn’t play much for us due to limited opportunities. Considering you want someone for a depth role that’s not that relevant

 

[barrackers]

Effectively we’ve manufactured a pick by downgrading pick 41 instead of trading 59 directly for Kreuger. Pick 41 would have been burnt on Daicos points likewise 55 may be. Pick 59, which we’ve retained will move in 6-10 spots after Daicos and Darcy.

 

[Couch Coach]

Updated with the Kreuger trade

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We have 2,735 points - a surplus of 335 for the worst case Daicos scenario. This means we can currently give the WB any one of picks 46, 48, 55 or 58 for Lipinski and still be good to match pick 1.

*Among many other scenarios and ignoring whether we get any points this year for any of our trade outs

Love your work.

List Status:
OUT:
Greenwood, Mayne, Tohill (Cat B?)
IN:
Kreuger
OOC:
J Thomas, Sier, Cox, Rantall, Others?

That would mean we could only take 5 picks into the draft?

 

[barrackers]

Cox doesn’t even ruck in the twos there is no point keeping him. Better off rucking Roughy

Both those blokes didn’t play much for us due to limited opportunities. Considering you want someone for a depth role that’s not that relevant

Cox rotated heavily with Moyle and Lynch this year. Would have spent 40-50% of the match playing ruck in the VFL in 2021.

 

[Scodog10]

Did he have a thought how the Pies would make up the points deficit if we traded 22 for a future pick.

Take 845 from our current 2735 leaves 1890 points without yet having paid for Lipinski

Nah not while I was listening. Both he and SOS have been pretty staunch that the bids coming at 3 or 4 (more likely 4 I think)* so I don’t think they’re getting hung up on that. If it did come up based on what he’s usually like I’d say his response would be that we’d just find the points from trading out Sier for a 2nd or some rubbish.

*this is playing a role in why I’m not buying what you’re selling on us needing to have x points pre-draft. Amazing as it seems it’s now probably long odds that he receives a top 2 bid. The rationale is that North have a rager for JHF and GWS are conscious of bid karma.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Cox doesn’t even ruck in the twos there is no point keeping him. Better off rucking Roughy

Both those blokes didn’t play much for us due to limited opportunities. Considering you want someone for a depth role that’s not that relevant

I’d prefer a depth player to be experienced. Roughy and Cameron who both are already in our 22 in vital key position roles shouldn’t be thrown into the ruck as plan A because we lack depth.

I get it, you want him gone.

 

[WinstonWolfe]

Yes but they are points we have in excess of what we need even if daicos goes at pick one? If so thats free in my eyes. Draft picks and father son points don’t run out on the ground to play the actual game!

This is true. I have never seen this happen.

 

[Gabbo64]

No, it’s because the idea that one party wanting to buy a low value asset from the other makes that asset more valuable suddenly is ludicrous.

It’s like me walking in to Aldi and grabbing something off the shelf and taking it to the register only to be told by the cashier that it’s price has gone up by 20% because I want it.

And don’t try to convince me they want to keep him because ‘3 years’. Don’t you find it a little conspicuous that the media aren’t reporting an actual figure, which they usually do? They offered him a peanuts contract for 3 years because they wanted to give the impression that they’re upset at losing him. Hine probably would have fallen for it too, hopefully Wright doesn’t.

I've got 3 cars but only need 2. I like the 3rd car and drive it occasionally but really don't need it. It's worth about 10k so I think I will sell it. You really want it so you make me an offer. Just because you want it does it mean the car is now worth 12k and that's what you should pay for it. Naaaahhh.

 

[Babylove]

Love your work.

List Status:
OUT:
Greenwood, Mayne, Tohill (Cat B?)
IN:
Kreuger
OOC:
J Thomas, Sier, Cox, Rantall, Others?

That would mean we could only take 5 picks into the draft?

We only had 36 on the senior list this year (plus 6 on the rookie list not including category B) so with the addition of Krueger we currently have 35. Technically we have 3 senior list positions still available before Lipinski comes in or trades of players out/delistments are made. We also still have 6 rookies and 1 cat B rookie at this point.

Collingwood Playing List for 2022 - Draftguru

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[Gone Critical]

Everything seems to be working out now.

After the doom and gloom we have a whole new coaching team, made an early trade to get points for Daicos, Kruger done for the equivalent of a pick in the 50s and just need to find the right pick for Lipinski. Hopefully we can look to trade 22 for a similar pick or even in the teens next year.

With Wright in charge I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if we end up with Krueger, Lipinski, Daicos, Dib and 2 picks inside the top 20ish next draft.

Whatever happens - It’s nice to feel so positive about the club again. We really needed a full reset off the field and it’s working wonders already.

Thats pretty impossible. At least part of 22 has to go to Daicos or trades to that end. We wont be getting a pick in teens or near 22 as we just dont have the assets to get that done.

 

[Seedsfan]

Cox rotated heavily with Moyle and Lynch this year. Would have spent 40-50% of the match playing ruck in the VFL in 2021.

He only had one game when Lynch wasn’t playing that he had any decent time in the ruck

 

[Scodog10]

Thats pretty impossible. At least part of 22 has to go to Daicos or trades to that end. We wont be getting a pick in teens or near 22 as we just dont have the assets to get that done.

You’re doing it again…

 

[jmac70]

You’re doing it again…

So are you…

 

[Seedsfan]

I’d prefer a depth player to be experienced. Roughy and Cameron who both are already in our 22 in vital key position roles shouldn’t be thrown into the ruck as plan A because we lack depth.

I get it, you want him gone.

But normally your second ruckman would become the number one man if someone goes down injured

I just don’t see the point of keeping a depth player that has no experience actually playing the position you expect him to cover

If Grundy goes down then we always have the option of the mid season draft

 

[nahnah]

As am I...

 

[sr36]

I've got 3 cars but only need 2. I like the 3rd car and drive it occasionally but really don't need it. It's worth about 10k so I think I will sell it. You really want it so you make me an offer. Just because you want it does it mean the car is now worth 12k and that's what you should pay for it. Naaaahhh.

If the buyer isn't overly emotionally invested, he car sells for about $10K, as long as both are equal negotiatiors. But if the seller knows the buyer is really keen on the car, he starts at a higher price than he would if he wasn't sure about the level of interest, becasue the level of the interest of the buyer is leverage.

Edit: It sure as hell doesn't go for $6K - which is my point.

 

[JB1975]

THat's because you'r closed minded and not open to alternate views.


Out of curiosity, what situation would you call a neutral or only slightly leverage-tilted trade, or do you think they don't exist?

Wouldn't trouble yourself too much. Trade talk seems to attract some gatekeepers, people who are keen to ridicule thoughts which don't align with their own.

But then I can hardly talk; I laughed when Apex told us that he was rapidly losing faith in G. Wright.

 

[jmac70]

Wouldn't trouble yourself too much. Trade talk seems to attract some gatekeepers, people who are keen to ridicule thoughts which don't align with their own.

But then I can hardly talk; I laughed when Apex told us that he was rapidly losing faith in G. Wright.

You were right to laugh.

 

[Scodog10]

So are you…

Absolutely I am! I think we should all be calling out statements like “pretty impossible” when it’s probably a 50/50 proposition if a bid comes at 3 or 4 on Daicos.

I mean two weeks ago I’d have said that it would be pretty impossible for us to have 2700 draft points and Kreuger by mid way through the second day of trade period.

 

[jmac70]

Absolutely I am! I think we should all be calling out statements like “pretty impossible” when it’s probably a 50/50 proposition if a bid comes at 3 or 4 on Daicos.

I mean two weeks ago I’d have said that it would be pretty impossible for us to have 2700 draft points and Kreuger by mid way through the second day of trade period.

It’s going well isn’t it?
Exciting times!

 

[Scodog10]

Wouldn't trouble yourself too much. Trade talk seems to attract some gatekeepers, people who are keen to ridicule thoughts which don't align with their own.

But then I can hardly talk; I laughed when Apex told us that he was rapidly losing faith in G. Wright.

Fair shake JB there’s gatekeeping and then there’s this stuff from Sr. It’s up there with what you’d get from Cooney!