List Mgmt. COLLINGWOOD Trade and F/A Discussion

[KinderSmock]

We should target Tim Taranto. GWS don't need him. Would cost the earth, but probably worth it, for mine.

Taranto over JDG for me.

 

[well left]

I'd even take McStay before McLean

Amartey is the one from the Swans that interests me. I’m just not sure if he’s a forward or a forward/ruck. I feel we have ruck options and need a pure key forward.


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[Quicky]

If Brayshaw is such a big concussion risk why is he playing footy at all? I understand some positions come with higher risks but any position on the ground is going to be a big risk regardless. If concussion risk is there it's not something you can hide from on a footy field.

 

[KinderSmock]

If Brayshaw is such a big concussion risk why is he playing footy at all? I understand some positions come with higher risks but any position on the ground is going to be a big risk regardless. If concussion risk is there it's not something you can hide from on a footy field.

Another concussion and he retires. He knows the risks, he wants to play - the AFL isn't the league that stops people from taking to the field. It's a mutual agreement. One more and he can retire. I'm not touching him. They play him in a much gentler position to prevent concussions from occurring. He'll never play inside mid and he finds space more often than contests. I do acknowledge and think your statement about the risk with every position is valid, but I believe this is one of those mutual agreements.

 

[Gaspard]

Even if we have the salary space to do it, I don't believe that we should be looking for a really high profile recruit. We should be looking to repeat the success of the Lipinski purchase. We should be (and no doubt are) scouring the other lists for players that:

1. Fill a need. Good midfielders are the most common both as needs and available players.

2. For whatever reason, are surplus to their club's requirements or are not getting senior games because they have offended someone in their selection chain.

3. Have a perceived weakness that may not be real (eg an artifact of one bad game that has coloured views of them since.) or which may not be a handicap in the role we have in mind for them. The notion that Sidebottom is a great kick is a reverse example of this.

We don't have a hulking forward, and we are not likely to get one by this method, and so that player should be the target of our top draft pick. Krueger may do the job anyway.
We don't have a really fast small forward outside of Elliott, and he is a bit different. There are a lot of these about, mostly not good enough, and so a lot of thought needs to go here. We may decide that the combination of Ginnivan, Elliott and McCreery covers this base, but a bit of backup would be good.

A replacement for Howe is needed, but he is a rare beast. Other team's failing mid sized high flying forwards might be where to look. I realize we have lined up Dean for the job, and Murphy is making a fist of it, but we need to keep looking. A fast long kicking brilliant high mark with exceptional balance. Quite an ask.

Injured or psychologically suspect players should be avoided unless there is exceptional knowledge of what the problem, and more importantly the solution, is.

 

[Quicky]

Another concussion and he retires. He knows the risks, he wants to play - the AFL isn't the league that stops people from taking to the field. It's a mutual agreement. One more and he can retire. I'm not touching him. They play him in a much gentler position to prevent concussions from occurring. He'll never play inside mid and he finds space more often than contests. I do acknowledge and think your statement about the risk with every position is valid, but I believe this is one of those mutual agreements.

Do you know that or are you speculating?

 

[Everybody Panic]

Would you give up our first for Taranto? I would.

 

[soreplums]

Would people be happy with Logan McDonald as compensation if we lose JDG?

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Would people be happy with Logan McDonald as compensation if we lose JDG?

Yes. Is that likely to happen? Is that a straight trade?

 

[soreplums]

Yes. Is that likely to happen? Is that a straight trade?

Outcome of a rumour that I have heard. Involves another club.
trying to work out why trade and not chase JDG as a FA.

 

[manicpie]

Outcome of a rumour that I have heard. Involves another club.
trying to work out why trade and not chase JDG as a FA.

I can't see any combination of that working. You can't trade a free agent can you?

 

[soreplums]

I can't see any combination of that working. You can't trade a free agent can you?

I think you can if you match the offer

 

[manicpie]

I think you can if you match the offer

yes you can. But I can't see Sydney giving up McDonald for JDG. I think you can only recieve draft picks if you match, nah, probably wrong but i would do the trade in a heartbeat

 

[Go Woods]

As our pick crawls outside the top 10 by the week, lets play a hypothetical game.

EG we end up with pick 12-14... and we identify a key fwd as a list need but we don't think the one we want to draft will be available at pick 12-14.

Who around the comp is a likely trade target with our say pick 12?

I'll start:

Jamarra Ugle-Hagan?

Ben King?

Mitch Lewis?

Nick Larkey?

Todd Marshall?

Logan McDonald?

IMO out of all those forwards on your list, I reckon Jamarra Ugle-Hagen and Nick Larkey could be shaken loose, but at what cost tho??

 

[Go Woods]

Outcome of a rumour that I have heard. Involves another club.
trying to work out why trade and not chase JDG as a FA.

What’s the rumour?

 

[soreplums]

yes you can. But I can't see Sydney giving up McDonald for JDG. I think you can only recieve draft picks if you match, nah, probably wrong but i would do the trade in a heartbeat

there’s a third club involved…

 

[soreplums]

What’s the rumour?

JDG to Tigers, Dusty to Sydney and McDonald to Collingwood.

With some picks exchanging hands.

 

[Quicky]

IMO out of all those forwards on your list, I reckon Jamarra Ugle-Hagen and Nick Larkey could be shaken loose, but at what cost tho??

Larkey would be a great target. I think at 198cm with his play style he's the type of key forward to compliment what we have. He's got different avenues to goal. He is smart working into space, can kick them on the run, snap them or mark and lead including contested. He averages 1.8 and 1.9 goals a game the last couple of years which is pretty good, right where we need it. But he is contracted until 2024 when he is RFA. If NM thought he'd leave then maybe they take a deal. But they'd be able to throw way more money at him.

 

[Roverjg]

Would people be happy with Logan McDonald as compensation if we lose JDG?

He signed a 2 year contract extension 6 weeks ago at a substantially higher $$$

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[soreplums]

He signed a 2 year contract extension 6 weeks ago at a substantially higher $$$

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Wouldn’t think it would matter too much. He got his value up meaning that other clubs would have to pay that at the minimum

 

[manicpie]

there’s a third club involved…

Just get it done plums, this has me extatic

 

[Rusty Beam]

Cam Zurhaar is still out of contract.

Although for once our small/mid forwards aren’t looking too bad, I still think he wouldn’t be a bad target for us to consider. It would add a real dynamic element there now JDG is playing more midfield time.

Given his contractual status he’d probably come relatively cheaply too.

 

[KinderSmock]

Do you know that or are you speculating?

Know. There was some extensive media in 2017/18 put out around the issue.

 

[Go Woods]

JDG to Tigers, Dusty to Sydney and McDonald to Collingwood.

With some picks exchanging hands.

Ok, rather Grundy somehow is in that rumoured equation.

 

[Quicky]

Know. There was some extensive media in 2017/18 put out around the issue.

So he's gotten through 5 years of footy since then including time in the midfield.