List Mgmt. COLLINGWOOD Trade and F/A Discussion

[Scodog10]

It’s $950k

I have some confidence it was around that over the course of the deal when first signed over 7 years, but I don’t think the current FD would be negligent enough to trade him with the type of shortfall that would create if that remained the case. My basic assumption is that we front loaded some of the contract on the basis that we didn’t want to be paying a 34 yo ruckman $900k +. We’ll have to wait until next year, but I think Grundy has been on circa $1.2m in 2022 (given our list profile and the guys that came off contract this year it could be as high as $1.4m). Hence the immediacy of needing to shed salaries in 2020 because we knew 2021-2022 were going to bite hard…

Let’s say we’ve paid $2.2m over the first two years of a $6.65m deal. That leaves $4.45m outstanding or $890k pa which is manageable depending on the destination and trade.

 

[cityslick1]

Isn’t the obvious solution to have Grundy extend his contract for a year or two in exchange for lowering his package by $200-250k per annum?
McGuire suggested as much on Footy Calcified.

Doesn’t make sense, why contract him for an extra year when he’ll be well and truly done by then.

The obvious solution for me would be for Brodie to accept a $200k cut to his salary for the next 2 years, because that’s what he’s worth. and he’s already been overpaid for the past 2 seasons. Then he can stay, and all are happy. Some players are happy to play at below their market value to give the team a chance at premiership success, so why shouldn’t he be willing to play AT his market value.

Maybe this is what Anderson meant when he said it’s up to him…

 

[Couch Coach]

Lmao, why would we give up a third rounder, which actually has potential value to clubs that need points, for a player he admits they’re likely going to delist? Wishful thinking there from old mate.

Agreed but it is Adelaide fans.

Further discussion on their board:
Apparently it's done. I imagine burger rings back our way... but I like burger rings

really?..
s**t.. imagine Big Billy goes to the Pies and end up playing in a premiership in the next couple of years..
be *n hilarious.

It's done apparently.

I don't understand the Frampton bagging.
He has been the best player in the sanfl side consistently for the last 8-10 weeks
Just because we played him out of position in the afl, if he played Doedee's position, he would have thrived.
He would be a good fit for the Bulldogs, I hope he gets another chance

What? He did get a chance at the interceptor.... he played 1 good game which was against the bulldogs if I remember correctly, everyone was singing his praises and thought he was a lock for all australian at that point ... then the following week was dreadfully exposed by GWS (I think). The bullies let him run free, gws put a forward on him and he was exposed about 20 times during the game.
He is not afl standard. Failed as a forward who could get on a lead but the ball always slipped through his fingers, or mostly missed a goal. Failed in defence because he cannot defend 1 on 1. If rumors are true, Collingwood can have him for free imho, he is not worth anything.
Too bad for afc we put our defender eggs on a failed draft pick. It's unfortunate because afc has a really long history of somehow getting excellent defenders.. ie Hart, rutten, talia... this might be the first period in time where we haven't got a very good reliable big defender...

 

[Scodog10]

The obvious solution for me would be for Brodie to accept a $200k cut to his salary for the next 2 years, because that’s what he’s worth. and he’s already been overpaid for the past 2 seasons. Then he can stay, and all are happy. Some players are happy to play at below their market value to give the team a chance at premiership success, so why shouldn’t he be willing to play AT his market value.

I’m not sure Robbie D’Orazio would give this post a

It’s the easiest solution to retain Grundy, but it’s also the most likely to lead to another Treloar media shitstorm scenario because that info stays behind closed doors for as long as it takes Robbie to get his closest journo contact on the blower.

 

[KinderSmock]

Agreed but it is Adelaide fans.

Further discussion on their board:
Apparently it's done. I imagine burger rings back our way... but I like burger rings

really?..
s**t.. imagine Big Billy goes to the Pies and end up playing in a premiership in the next couple of years..
be *n hilarious.

It's done apparently.

I don't understand the Frampton bagging.
He has been the best player in the sanfl side consistently for the last 8-10 weeks
Just because we played him out of position in the afl, if he played Doedee's position, he would have thrived.
He would be a good fit for the Bulldogs, I hope he gets another chance

What? He did get a chance at the interceptor.... he played 1 good game which was against the bulldogs if I remember correctly, everyone was singing his praises and thought he was a lock for all australian at that point ... then the following week was dreadfully exposed by GWS (I think). The bullies let him run free, gws put a forward on him and he was exposed about 20 times during the game.
He is not afl standard. Failed as a forward who could get on a lead but the ball always slipped through his fingers, or mostly missed a goal. Failed in defence because he cannot defend 1 on 1. If rumors are true, Collingwood can have him for free imho, he is not worth anything.
Too bad for afc we put our defender eggs on a failed draft pick. It's unfortunate because afc has a really long history of somehow getting excellent defenders.. ie Hart, rutten, talia... this might be the first period in time where we haven't got a very good reliable big defender...

That board was painful.

Looking at Frampton's SANFL stats aren't that inspiring. Adelaide - SANFL. However, Frampton has been moved around a bit and recruiters know what they are looking at. Guess in the final few rounds they'll look to add value to his name. Delist vs. a third.

Not a HS subscriber but they have an article here where he is mentioned: https://www.heraldsun.com.au/subscribe/news/1/?sourceCode=HSWEB_WRE170_a_GGL&dest=https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/afl-trade-news-stay-up-to-date-with-the-latest-contract-free-agent-and-player-movement-buzz/news-story/80576bd0972a4e3b4ecd89171be26833&memtype=anonymous&mode=premium&v21=dynamic-warm-control-score&V21spcbehaviour=append

Imagine a trade period of:

IN: Frampton, McStay, Taranto, Bruhn
OUT: JDG, Grundy.

 

[Apex36]

It’s $950k

Reportedly $950k over the life of the contract, but that’s not what he was referring to. Nobody actually knows what he’s currently owed because most contracts are either front or back loaded.

 

[KinderSmock]

GWS won’t be accepting De Goey in a straight swap for Taranto. They consider TT to be worth a first and second round pick. The next contract he signs will start with a seven.

GWS will be willing to pay Grundy $650/$700k pa. He has no intention of leaving Victoria, so it’s a moot point.

If GWS had the cap space. GWS can demand that, but they have to shrug salary.

No-one knows what Grundy is thinking and given the increasingly silence and coyness of all parties, it's something I'm taking more seriously.

 

[Apex36]

Imagine a trade period of:

IN: Frampton, McStay, Taranto, Bruhn
OUT: JDG, Grundy.

That might be an appealing trade period if you’re some kind of masochist…

 

[soreplums]

I think he

I have some confidence it was around that over the course of the deal when first signed over 7 years, but I don’t think the current FD would be negligent enough to trade him with the type of shortfall that would create if that remained the case. My basic assumption is that we front loaded some of the contract on the basis that we didn’t want to be paying a 34 yo ruckman $900k +. We’ll have to wait until next year, but I think Grundy has been on circa $1.2m in 2022 (given our list profile and the guys that came off contract this year it could be as high as $1.4m). Hence the immediacy of needing to shed salaries in 2020 because we knew 2021-2022 were going to bite hard…

Let’s say we’ve paid $2.2m over the first two years of a $6.65m deal. That leaves $4.45m outstanding or $890k pa which is manageable depending on the destination and trade.

has one more year above $1million

 

[gtrain23]

This is brilliant! Looking at Frampton's SANFL stats aren't that inspiring. Adelaide - SANFL

Not a HS subscriber but they have an article here where he is mentioned: https://www.heraldsun.com.au/subscribe/news/1/?sourceCode=HSWEB_WRE170_a_GGL&dest=https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/afl-trade-news-stay-up-to-date-with-the-latest-contract-free-agent-and-player-movement-buzz/news-story/80576bd0972a4e3b4ecd89171be26833&memtype=anonymous&mode=premium&v21=dynamic-warm-control-score&V21spcbehaviour=append

Imagine a trade period of:

IN: Frampton, McStay, Taranto, Bruhn
OUT: JDG, Grundy.

Doesn’t sound that crash hot

 

[KinderSmock]

That might be an appealing trade period if you’re some kind of masochist…

Really?

I would have thought a FA who can take marks, a defender to bolster a position of need, a former Pick 2 and a former first rounder in exchange for a perennial bad boy and a ruckman on overs is a pretty good period before the conversation of the draft even begins.

 

[KinderSmock]

Doesn’t sound that crash hot

I was referring to the Adelaide banter more.

 

[Chrispiesssss]

Thoughts on Brandon Parfitt from the Cats? He’ll be 25 In April.

21 disposals, 4.5 clearances, 9 contested possessions and 5.3 tackles per game.

If we lost JDG and got Taranto and Parfitt, I think that would be a win.

 

[Scodog10]

I think he has one more year above $1million

That’d be my expectation as well. Another big one and then the last four in the $800k range.

That might be an appealing trade period if you’re some kind of masochist…

I’d be pretty ropeable if it went that way and I don’t mind all 4 of the incoming guys.

Personally the Frampton stuff has as much substance as the Naish one last year.

 

[MITSUHIRATO]

Yep, would have been great if we had picks 1, 10 and 12 rather than 32,58, 63, 65.

Looking at that top 10 and the 'big men' selected, you would be disappointed picking up Schache at 2, Aaron Francis at 6 and Weideman at 9.

I wonder if Carlton just got lucky with McKay and Curnow being available or if they had earlier picks we have gone for Schache (most likely), Francis and Weideman ahead of those two.

SOS originally wanted Weideman - but Melbourne pipped us.

 

[Couch Coach]

That board was painful.

Looking at Frampton's SANFL stats aren't that inspiring. Adelaide - SANFL. However, Frampton has been moved around a bit and recruiters know what they are looking at. Guess in the final few rounds they'll look to add value to his name. Delist vs. a third.

Not a HS subscriber but they have an article here where he is mentioned: https://www.heraldsun.com.au/subscribe/news/1/?sourceCode=HSWEB_WRE170_a_GGL&dest=https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/afl-trade-news-stay-up-to-date-with-the-latest-contract-free-agent-and-player-movement-buzz/news-story/80576bd0972a4e3b4ecd89171be26833&memtype=anonymous&mode=premium&v21=dynamic-warm-control-score&V21spcbehaviour=append

Imagine a trade period of:

IN: Frampton, McStay, Taranto, Bruhn
OUT: JDG, Grundy.

Maybe Frampton is backup in case DeGoey leaves and we don't want to loose the compo pick by picking up McStay?

In: Frampton (DFA) end of 1st compo (say pick 19)
Out: DeGoey
Picks: 18, 19 and 3 x 3rd rounders (Prior to F&S, NGA, Academy, Priority picks)

Lot's of options to go through at the moment though.

 

[manicpie]

Thoughts on Brandon Parfitt from the Cats? He’ll be 25 In April.

21 disposals, 4.5 clearances, 9 contested possessions and 5.3 tackles per game.

If we lost JDG and got Taranto and Parfitt, I think that would be a win.

Is he out of contract? I wouldn't mind Parfitt

 

[GCPie]

I don't have an issue with Andersen's comment on Grundy and I am tipping his next one will be a common US one - 'All players area available if the return is worth it'.
Realistically not all player are available.
What really determines Grundy's worth to the Pies and the other AFL clubs is his form when he returns.
How he plays for the remainder of the season will determine the Pies asking price and what other clubs will offer.

 

[Chrispiesssss]

Is he out of contract? I wouldn't mind Parfitt

Yes, he’s OOC.

Locked in: Cats confirm new deal for young gun

Geelong midfielder Brandan Parfitt has inked a two-year contract extension

www.afl.com.au

 

[KinderSmock]

Yes, he’s OOC.

Locked in: Cats confirm new deal for young gun

Geelong midfielder Brandan Parfitt has inked a two-year contract extension

www.afl.com.au

Parfitt is interesting. Feel like his ability is inflated by Geelong but he's still good.

 

[manicpie]

Parfitt is interesting. Feel like his ability is inflated by Geelong but he's still good.

Not at all, he's a very good inside mid who is always having to fight for his spot because of their strong midfield

 

[Carlthetruth]

Leppa on McStay because he's not McStupid

 

[Apex36]

Really?

I would have thought a FA who can take marks but not kick goals on overs, a delisted defender to bolster a position of need in the unlikely scenario he improves his game to AFL standard, a former Pick 2 and a former first rounder who is yet to establish himself as best 22, and therefore still speculative, in exchange for a perennial bad boy who’s still in our top 5 players and a dual AA ruckman, who’s significantly better than our other options on overs is a pretty good period before the conversation of the draft even begins.

Fixed that for you.

Madness really.

 

[unplugged]

I have an issue with the name Frampton and I have no idea why.

 

[DopeMaster]

I have some confidence it was around that over the course of the deal when first signed over 7 years, but I don’t think the current FD would be negligent enough to trade him with the type of shortfall that would create if that remained the case. My basic assumption is that we front loaded some of the contract on the basis that we didn’t want to be paying a 34 yo ruckman $900k +. We’ll have to wait until next year, but I think Grundy has been on circa $1.2m in 2022 (given our list profile and the guys that came off contract this year it could be as high as $1.4m). Hence the immediacy of needing to shed salaries in 2020 because we knew 2021-2022 were going to bite hard…

Let’s say we’ve paid $2.2m over the first two years of a $6.65m deal. That leaves $4.45m outstanding or $890k pa which is manageable depending on the destination and trade.

Problem is your ‘let’s say’ hypothetical runs right up against the reality of the cap squeeze. why would we pay Grundy As much as we can while we’re so tight that players are getting forced out? Doesn’t make any sense at all IMO.