List Mgmt. COLLINGWOOD Trade and F/A Discussion

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This is a reply to my own post.

Playing around with the figures on this site, i noticed that Grundy has had a lot of clangers when compared to other rucks. His other stats aren't particularly impressive either. This is shaping my view that Grundy, from a stats perspective has been bang average as a ruckman, and is easily replaced.

Although he is our best clearance ruckman when compared to Cox and Cameron.

Im allowed to be a turncoat. I have Italian heritage.

:)

If you base your opinion of player on stats you are missing half the picture.

Agree with you completely TW...

Contrary to some opinions, I like Grundy and feel he brings his best efforts 100% of the time... That opinion is derived from watching him, not stats.

Although it is interesting that stats highlight that Grundy's strength is his clearance stats (currently the team weakness) and around the ground he plays like a rover. He has a point of difference so cant really compare him to other rucks.

I'd be happy to retain him on our list, and try to fit on other players that will improve us when the opportunity arises.

Have i just turned again?
 
If you base your opinion of player on stats you are missing half the picture.
I think a statement like this needs a lot more nuance. Statistics enable for seeing a more complete picture, as long as they are used correctly. The eye test can be very unreliable, particularly if you're not at the ground.
 

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Some of us actually live by our word once we give it.

I realise some people don’t, but that is why contracts are drawn up and signatures affixed.
"Contracts are only good for getting house loans" - Scott Pendlebury
 
Thanks. That’s more than a 1/3 of his possessions from kick outs. Brings his average down a lot one would think!
Advanced stats can be damning for accumulators. Treloar last week for example: 24 disposals as a rebounding defender looks pretty good. Except that he only had 9 kicks and 3 of them were kick outs.
 
Advanced stats can be damning for accumulators. Treloar last week for example: 24 disposals as a rebounding defender looks pretty good. Except that he only had 9 kicks and 3 of them were kick outs.
Jack Ziebell last season. Legendary for SuperCoach, terrible player
 

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Legendary for SuperCoach. Are you serious , the guy has an average score of 66
What was so hard to understand about the words “last season”?
 
How do people even know this? I call bullshit
Well go back to all the articles back in 2020 after the trade period. Where it was widely reported including from both teams who stated we were contributing $300k over 5 years and the Dogs helping us out to either front or back end the contract payments to help us out with the salary cap

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I’m not saying that I would like Grundy to go but one thing in our favour is that because there are many clubs interested in his services, if he does leave Collingwood will have some bargaining power in regards to how much of his contract we would be required to pay.
He’ll nominate a club and we’ll deal exclusively with them. Collingwood’s bargaining power is that he’s contracted so we can take him off the table at any moment, but once it’s in motion under these conditions you’re never reconciling.
 
Agree with you completely TW...

Contrary to some opinions, I like Grundy and feel he brings his best efforts 100% of the time... That opinion is derived from watching him, not stats.

Although it is interesting that stats highlight that Grundy's strength is his clearance stats (currently the team weakness) and around the ground he plays like a rover. He has a point of difference so cant really compare him to other rucks.

I'd be happy to retain him on our list, and try to fit on other players that will improve us when the opportunity arises.

Have i just turned again?


How many clearances does Grundy get by hitting to himself?
 
McStay clunking a few tonight


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I am slightly warming to him. And do agree that he would prob get more opportunities with us. He def plays more up the ground/ruck with bris than I think he would with us. Def be more of a target inside 50 with us I think
 
Watching tonights Brisbane v St Kilda game and I've been thinking.

Is McStay just a super sized version of Hoskin-Elliott?


WHE vs McS 2022

13.8 vs 11.8 disposals
4.4 vs 5.7 marks
2.5 vs 2.6 inside 50s
5.0 vs 5.5 contested possessions
9.3 vs 8.3 effective disposals
67.4% vs 70.3% disposal efficiency
2.7 vs 2.2 clangers
82.6 vs 82.2 time on ground %
3.4 vs 5.5 score involvements
237.1 vs 219.7 metres gained
3.0 vs 2.5 turnovers
59.4 vs 62.3 AFL fantasy score
 
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