List Mgmt. COLLINGWOOD Trade and F/A Discussion

[Quicky]

This is from the age article. Not sure which fox article it is included.

" The Cats and Essendon are keen on Stengle after Collingwood withdrew from the race for the 22-year-old former Crow and Tiger. Stengle played in a premiership for Woodville-West Torrens in the SANFL on Sunday. "

We're keen on Stengle but have withdrawn from race to get him? Have I read that right? It seems to be a contradiction

 

[Stripes B and W]

Lipinski too slow for the wing? Mayne, J Daicos, Sidey and Nathan Murphy have all played on the wing. Pullman must move like a glacier!

Yes Domus, but which of those guys you mentioned actually played well on the wing this year? Even having the guys you mentioned covered isnt saying much.
Mayne prob the best playing the skinny side defensive wing role, few have his discipline and courage.

 

[Apex36]

We're keen on Stengle but have withdrawn from race to get him? Have I read that right? It seems to be a contradiction

You haven’t read it right. Cats and Essendon still keen, after we’ve withdrawn.

 

[Quicky]

Lipinski has a really interesting skillset that doesn't seem to fit into any role perfectly.

Too slow for wing/HBF, too weak for inside mid.

Will be interesting to see how we utilize him. Sometimes it's okay to carry a skillful type at centre bounces (J Kelly, K Amon, etc.), but the player needs to be supported by hard, contested inside mids like Hopper, Green (for Kelly) or Wines, Drew (for Amon).

I just don't think we can play Lipinski with the likes of J Daicos/N Daicos/F Macrae at centre bounces, there's not enough defensive pressure and we are going to get crushed in the middle.

There's probably only a maximum of 2 spots (1 of which starts on the bench) for that offensive/skillful midfield role at centre bounces, think both Daicos brothers and Macrae have more scope for growth in that role.

I reckon concerns about Lipinski's pace are overstated. He's not lightening but he isn't slow either.

 

[sr36]

Lipinski has a really interesting skillset that doesn't seem to fit into any role perfectly.

Too slow for wing/HBF, too weak for inside mid.

Will be interesting to see how we utilize him. Sometimes it's okay to carry a skillful type at centre bounces (J Kelly, K Amon, etc.), but the player needs to be supported by hard, contested inside mids like Hopper, Green (for Kelly) or Wines, Drew (for Amon).

I just don't think we can play Lipinski with the likes of J Daicos/N Daicos/F Macrae at centre bounces, there's not enough defensive pressure and we are going to get crushed in the middle.

There's probably only a maximum of 2 spots (1 of which starts on the bench) for that offensive/skillful midfield role at centre bounces, think both Daicos brothers and Macrae have more scope for growth in that role.

We need someone from the back half who can use it to replace Noble. I think Daicos is likely to begin in that role, but by the sound of the description, Lipinski probably could too.

 

[Prochard123]

We need someone from the back half who can use it to replace Noble. I think Daicos is likely to begin in that role, but by the sound of the description, Lipinski probably could too.

Now that you mention it, Lipinski could absolutely replace Noble in that role.

Probably not as quick as Noble (who looks fast but actually isn't?), and I mean he can't be worse than Noble defensively right?...

 

[JLC]

I reckon concerns about Lipinski's pace are overstated. He's not lightening but he isn't slow either.

Agree, his lack of pace did not stand out in Rd 1.

The main player. I have concerns about re leg speed is Bianco - he Is Woewodin at Collingwoo kind of slow.

 

[magpies42]

Lipinski too slow for the wing? Mayne, J Daicos, Sidey and Nathan Murphy have all played on the wing. Pullman must move like a glacier!

That’s kind of the point, we already have a lot of slow players.

 

[sr36]

There are exceptions - Sidey, Gaff, etc. But you absolutely need everything else to go right for you as a slow wingman.

I think I'd take endurance if it was a trade off with it and pace, but it's ideally a position for someone with pace.

 

[Prochard123]

I think I'd take endurance if it was a trade off with it and pace, but it's ideally a position for someone with pace.

Yeah I mean I think I would take 20 touches from Isaac Smith over 35 from Gaff, wouldn't you?

Just hope Lipinski can help set up marks inside 50 in that role.

 

[sr36]

Yeah I mean I think I would take 20 touches from Isaac Smith over 35 from Gaff, wouldn't you?

Just hope Lipinski can help set up marks inside 50 in that role.

Yes, but what if Gaff's kicks penetrated like Smith's do? And who is getting back more consistently to fill holes in defence and then still getting out on the spread?

 

[Prochard123]

Yes, but what if Gaff's kicks penetrated like Smith's do? And who is getting back more consistently to fill holes in defence and then still getting out on the spread?

I mean that is definitely a rare but potent combination of attributes.

Think Lipinski could become a Menegola style wingman tho, both can play as that 4th mid at boundary stoppages, both not fast, but are good kicks.

Karl Amon probably matches your description, but once you reach that level the coach usually puts you in the middle instead to utilize both skills.

 

[sr36]

I mean that is definitely a rare but potent combination of attributes.

Think Lipinski could become a Menegola style wingman tho, both can play as that 4th mid at boundary stoppages, both not fast, but are good kicks.

Karl Amon probably matches your description, but once you reach that level the coach usually puts you in the middle instead to utilize both skills.

These days the wing is a strange role, in that you want a bloke who is smart and has a serious strength, but unless they also have a significant weakness they don't usually play on the wing.

 

[Pragmatic Shill]

So Kreuger takes Greenwood's vacancy. Lipinski will take Mayne's vacancy.

Assuming no one gets traded out, this is how I see it potentially going down:

5 seniors unsigned - Rantall, Lynch, Thomas, Sier and Cox.

Lynch stays as a younger, more efficient ruck depth than Cox, who gets delisted.

Vacancy opens up for Daicos.

A choice is made to re-sign two of Rantall, Thomas and Sier. The third is delisted, creating a vacancy for Dib.

One of the two is moved to the rookie list, creating a senior vacancy for Noble.

Chugg probably gets signed now that we've pulled out of the Stengle chase.

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[sr36]

So Kreuger takes Greenwood's vacancy. Lipinski will take Mayne's vacancy.

Assuming no one gets traded out, this is how I see it potentially going down:

5 seniors unsigned - Rantall, Lynch, Thomas, Sier and Cox.

Lynch stays as a younger, more efficient ruck depth than Cox, who gets delisted.

Vacancy opens up for Daicos.

A choice is made to re-sign two of Rantall, Thomas and Sier. The third is delisted, creating a vacancy for Dib.

One of the two is moved to the rookie list, creating a senior vacancy for Noble.

Chugg probably gets signed now that we've pulled out of the Stengle chase.

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They'll want more list spots than that for picks carrying Daicos points. I think we'll keep one of Lynch or Cox and the rest will go.

 

[Silky23]

Lipinski’s comment about playing wing and forward has me super excited. Being a good wingman doesn’t come down to pace or athleticism, it comes down purely to work rate, positioning and the set up of your team. If you’re a smart winger you can find it 30 times with ease and not look like you’re doing a lot. Set Lippa up as the offensive winger, let Poulter roam as the tall defensive winger and Bianco coming off the bench, I think it’s a pretty solid combination, with Lippa and Daicos also sharing forward wing duties. Great size and the thing that makes me excited - Lippa, Daicos and Bianco kicking the ball into the forward line for the next decade honestly makes me cream. You need guys who can deliver it well and those 3 would be our best kicks in the team post Pendlebury.

What it also does is signal Nick Daicos starting in the guts Round 1, 2022. Oh boy that’s exciting. Him, Adams, JDG, Fin, Reef with a Pendlebury cameo and Sidebottom playing full time forward … Kreuger charging out at CHF, and Checkers playing as a third tall for like the second time in his career ..

Exciting times to be a Pies fan.

 

[Silky23]

Very early days .. but Round 1 possible?

Crisp, Roughead, Quaynor
Howe, Moore, Maynard
Lipinski, De Goey, Poulter
Sidebottom, Kreuger, Mihocek
McReery, Cameron, Elliott
Grundy, Adams, Pendlebury
N Daicos, J Daicos, O Henry, 1 of Ruscoe/Bianco/Ginnivan/Fin/Reef/WKelly/Dib/WHE

Goodbye Noble, JT, Cox, CBrown, Madgen …

 

[Kappa]

So Kreuger takes Greenwood's vacancy. Lipinski will take Mayne's vacancy.

Assuming no one gets traded out, this is how I see it potentially going down:

5 seniors unsigned - Rantall, Lynch, Thomas, Sier and Cox.

Lynch stays as a younger, more efficient ruck depth than Cox, who gets delisted.

Vacancy opens up for Daicos.

A choice is made to re-sign two of Rantall, Thomas and Sier. The third is delisted, creating a vacancy for Dib.

One of the two is moved to the rookie list, creating a senior vacancy for Noble.

Chugg probably gets signed now that we've pulled out of the Stengle chase.

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Wasn't it reported Sier wouldn't be offered a new contract?

 

[Babylove]

So Kreuger takes Greenwood's vacancy. Lipinski will take Mayne's vacancy.

Assuming no one gets traded out, this is how I see it potentially going down:

5 seniors unsigned - Rantall, Lynch, Thomas, Sier and Cox.

Lynch stays as a younger, more efficient ruck depth than Cox, who gets delisted.

Vacancy opens up for Daicos.

A choice is made to re-sign two of Rantall, Thomas and Sier. The third is delisted, creating a vacancy for Dib.

One of the two is moved to the rookie list, creating a senior vacancy for Noble.

Chugg probably gets signed now that we've pulled out of the Stengle chase.

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Sounds good. The only issue with that is we need a list position available for each draft pick we want to use to match a bid for Daicos (and Dib). As things stand right now we’ll probably need our first 4 selections to get the points necessary to match a bid on Daicos, so we will need 4 senior list positions available to use all 4 to match the bid. If as expected we trade out 22 then we’ll possibly need 5 or 6 picks (so 5 or 6 senior list vacancies).

Also bare in mind list sizes comprise of 36-38 senior list players, up to 6 category A rookies and up to 2 category B rookies, but the total list must be 37-44 players. As things stand right now including Krueger and the uncontracted players we have 35 primary listed players, 6 category A rookies and 1 category B rookie totalling 42 players. I also haven’t seen if it’s been confirmed whether or not rookie elevations count towards the mandatory 3 draft picks but they probably reduce our list vacancies available for matching Daicos.

One way around it would be to delist players with the promise to redraft them later in the draft or in the preseason draft if they are still available though they may not get through to our later selections.

 

[35Daicos]

Sounds good. The only issue with that is we need a list position available for each draft pick we want to use to match a bid for Daicos (and Dib). As things stand right now we’ll probably need our first 4 selections to get the points necessary to match a bid on Daicos, so we will need 4 senior list positions available to use all 4 to match the bid. If as expected we trade out 22 then we’ll possibly need 5 or 6 picks (so 5 or 6 senior list vacancies).

Also bare in mind list sizes comprise of 36-38 senior list players, up to 6 category A rookies and up to 2 category B rookies, but the total list must be 37-44 players. As things stand right now including Krueger and the uncontracted players we have 35 primary listed players, 6 category A rookies and 1 category B rookie totalling 42 players. I also haven’t seen if it’s been confirmed whether or not rookie elevations count towards the mandatory 3 draft picks but they probably reduce our list vacancies available for matching Daicos.

One way around it would be to delist players with the promise to redraft them later in the draft or in the preseason draft if they are still available though they may not get through to our later selections.

That was confirmed a couple of months back: https://www.afl.com.au/news/659265/afl-confirms-2022-list-sizes-tweaks-rule-for-rookies

 

[cityslick1]

Very early days .. but Round 1 possible?

Crisp, Roughead, Quaynor
Howe, Moore, Maynard
Lipinski, De Goey, Poulter
Sidebottom, Kreuger, Mihocek
McReery, Cameron, Elliott
Grundy, Adams, Pendlebury
N Daicos, J Daicos, O Henry, 1 of Ruscoe/Bianco/Ginnivan/Fin/Reef/WKelly/Dib/WHE

Goodbye Noble, JT, Cox, CBrown, Madgen …

I like...

Quaynor Roughead Howe
Ruscoe Moore Bianco
J Daicos De Goey Crisp
Sidey Mihocek Lipinski
Elliott Kreuger Henry

Grundy Adams Maynard

Pendles Cameron N Daicos Poulter / Macrae / McInnes

 

[Jafo]

We need someone from the back half who can use it to replace Noble. I think Daicos is likely to begin in that role, but by the sound of the description, Lipinski probably could too.

No one else thinks IQ will be useful to break the lines through run and carry and improving disposal in years to come?

 

[sr36]

No one else thinks IQ will be useful to break the lines through run and carry and improving disposal in years to come?

Yes. I think he's a ripper. I think he could be a very big metres gained player, but I think you need a first outlet who distibrutes it out as well.

 

[jonbe54]

Yes. I think he's a ripper. I think he could be a very big metres gained player, but I think you need a first outlet who distibrutes it out as well.

People rightly love that spearing pass into the F50 but that first distributor role is almost as crucial, Wellers did it well for one,

 

[unplugged]

This is by far one of the strangest and most boring trade periods of all time. It's hard to believe we've actually done the most so far.

Someone just posted in the rumour thread on the main board that apparently North are already shopping Stephenson around