List Mgmt. COLLINGWOOD Trade and F/A Discussion

[Harry O]

Jason Davenport

Jason Davenport

Age

39

Ht

185cm

Wt

82kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.0

4star

K

7.0

3star

HB

7.0

4star

M

3.9

4star

T

4.0

5star

CL

0.6

3star

No current season stats available

D

16.6

4star

K

8.0

3star

HB

8.6

5star

M

5.0

5star

T

3.0

5star

from Oakleigh Chargers just on SEN talking about prospective draft prospects from his club - on Dib he said - he has some character qualities where he will just walk in to a place and make everything better

 

[frizzle]

TBH it's been such an impressive off season that I'll be happy either way. If Hine is bullish about someone and trades up for him, go for it. Or if he has targets that are under the radar, go for the best hand we can get next year.

Surely it's going to be difficult to get a handle on the Vic boys with such a small amount of footy played this year? Not much last year either.

 

[loki04]

Someone mentioned it a few pages back I think but it has stuck with me re Brander.

Beware the KPP who doesn’t do KPP things. It might look great to have a 195cm player out on the wing and it may be because he was so good they couldn’t leave him out. I suspect that’s not the case.

If he’s not physical enough to hold down a Key position I don’t think we need him.


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Beware the kpf that doesn't have a hint of cnut in them too.

Most the failed high pick kpfs are your non contact lead into space in anti decongestion rules u18 comps style fwds.

They need mongrel in them to succeed.

 

[loki04]

Surely it's going to be difficult to get a handle on the Vic boys with such a small amount of footy played this year? Not much last year either.

According to pyeman they are partly rating it off the last u16 year this group played. See below.

Date Posted:

10:56 21/10/21 Thu
Author: Pyeman
Author Host/IP: pa49-199-4-248.pa.vic.optusnet.com.au / 49.199.4.248
Subject: I think it is the year, covid has impacted no doubt but this current crop is from the best under 16
In reply to: Smitty from SA 's message, "I kind of like our situation" on 10:29 21/10/21 Thu

carnival ever and its 2 years down the track,that's how a lot of recruiters viewed it. A lot of good players to pick from is something you want to get in on.

Date Posted:

11:31 21/10/21 Thu
Author: Pyeman
Author Host/IP: pa49-199-4-248.pa.vic.optusnet.com.au / 49.199.4.248
Subject: There is a strong correlation between the standard of footy/ players at under 16 level and the group
In reply to: Smitty from SA 's message, "General hypothetical question" on 11:25 21/10/21 Thu

that emerges 2 years later. Have this thing called covid impacting but know for a fact clubs are very pleased with this group to pick from. They'll be big differences in player ratings and plenty of opportunities to uncover hidden gems imo.

 

[sr36]

Surely it's going to be difficult to get a handle on the Vic boys with such a small amount of footy played this year? Not much last year either.

Hines made it pretty clear over the years that he'll back a bloke on snippets. Plus last year we showed a lot of faith in our early scouting and it's looking pretty good so far. I wouldn't be surprised if he's got targets he'd be willing to pay up for. The question might be whether other clubs have shown enough interest to warrant us paying up for our targets, when we might get them in the 40s or beyond anyway

 

[loki04]

Hines made it pretty clear over the years that he'll back a bloke on snippets. Plus last year we showed a lot of faith in our early scouting and it's looking pretty good so far. I wouldn't be surprised if he's got targets he'd be willing to pay up for. The question might be whether other clubs have shown enough interest to warrant us paying up for our targets, when we might get them in the 40s or beyond anyway

Yes the covid years will have recruiters really earn their pay cheques and reputations.

These are the drafts that may see your Dane Swan, James Hird style late selections hiding stars.

 

[frizzle]

According to pyeman they are partly rating it off the last u16 year this group played. See below.

Crikey. A lot can change in 2 years. A bit of a lottery then?

 

[jimmy35]

Yes the covid years will have recruiters really earn their pay cheques and reputations.

These are the drafts that may see your Dane Swan, James Hird style late selections hiding stars.

Like a bush race meeting I’m sure there will players deep in the draft ‘getting up at long odds’.

 

[jimmy35]

Crikey. A lot can change in 2 years. A bit of a lottery then?

How does U16 form equate to U18 stuff as a rule? Not particularly relevant I wouldn’t have thought.

 

[frizzle]

How does U16 form equate to U18 stuff as a rule? Not particularly relevant I wouldn’t have thought.

No idea.

 

[sr36]

Beware the kpf that doesn't have a hint of cnut in them too.

Most the failed high pick kpfs are your non contact lead into space in anti decongestion rules u18 comps style fwds.

They need mongrel in them to succeed.

Not necessarily what I'd call mongrel or camoaigner, but they've got to attack the ball aggressively. , eg. Gavin Brown had the mindset but is no one's idea of having a bit of campaigner.

 

[sr36]

Crikey. A lot can change in 2 years. A bit of a lottery then?

Yes. We already know that from 18-20 there's a massive change in player ratings, and thus the draft is miles from exact. The change from 16-18 would be even bigger.

But the more data driven clubs would have been tracking prospects and have a decent indicator of how relevant under 16 ratings are. I suspect we're one such club. And we did invest heavily last year.

 

[loki04]

How does U16 form equate to U18 stuff as a rule? Not particularly relevant I wouldn’t have thought.

I would imagine a fair discrepency most years between not only order but players falling off the draft board altogether and others coming from no where to top line picks in the back half of a u18 final season.

See whisbeys thoughts on it below gives a good insight given he was once doing it professionally.

Date Posted: 09:57 21/10/21 Thu
Author: Colin Wisbey
Author Host/IP: NoHost / 180.216.59.56
Subject: It has to be a genuine issue
In reply to: GW19 's message, "How anybody can fairly assess any players in Vic this year I'm not sure..." on 01:21 21/10/21 Thu

Every year there are kids who (for various reasons) improve leaps and bounds in the 2nd half of the season. (Some kids aren't even in the system until latish season). Such kids (metro, at least) never got the opportunity this year.

In a normal season, some kids also fall away / get exposed for significant flaws.

Finals provide important indications too, especially who does and doesn't stand up under pressure. We're always looking for those who "rise to the occasion".

Further, Vic "U18 Champs quality" kids never got the chance to play against other states.

Kids trying to recover from injury were also mucked up.

There are some kids who have already been exposed enough and often enough for recruiters to have at least a "decent" feel for them. It's the others - and there is usually a significant number of them - who actually have AFL potential but haven't had sufficient opportunity to demonstrate that who will be the losers this year and will rely on next year non-AFL performances to make their case.

Bottom line: Quite a few players of AFL potential will fail to get drafted through lack of opportunity to impress and the flip side is that some players will get drafted on flimsier evidence than normally available and will turn out to be busts.

(I said "kids" but much of the above is also true of VFL players who might have underlying AFL potential but didn't have enough opportunity to impress).

The supplementary problem, of course, albeit re list management rather than recruiting per se, is that, with such a truncated VFL season, the "kids" drafted to Vic clubs in the last 2 years and needing development time, haven't had anything like the normal development process. Some will thus be kept on a list longer than their underlying talent warrants but some others will be dumped without really having a fair chance to establish their true "bona fides".

 

[loki04]

Not necessarily what I'd call mongrel or camoaigner, but they've got to attack the ball aggressively. , eg. Gavin Brown had the mindset but is no one's idea of having a bit of campaigner.

Imo they tend to have both. Brown also didn't mind the odd scuffle at times certainly wasn't a shrinking violet when targeted anyway.

 

[LarryKinn]

That isn’t really the pointing I’m making though. I’m more talking about the cult following and the hype not matching the output (Brander as well). To me Callow and Schlensog are long odds of ever playing senior footy let alone making it so it’s that side of the discussion that interests me. Dean winning the Forthergill-Round-Mitchell elevates him above those two, IMO. Even then and being someone that’s open to bringing him in I just don’t see how the hype is justified.

It's because with our limited draft capital, they are KPP candidates that are DFA's and offer a free hit
And that these players are in the age bracket we are short on, plus they all have years of development already invested in them
Some of see the advantage over skinny kids with 2 interrupted Covid years
Don't think they're saviours just better options
With the additions of Lipinski and Krueger it looks a lot GW does too, thankfully

 

[Gone Critical]

Well that was a fun half hour of deleting.

This is a thread for the important topic of Colingwoods Trade and FAs

Take the covid stuff to the covid thread. Any covid comments here will be deleted

Attention Anzacday jathanas Maggie5

And persistance with covid posting will earn a penalty

 

[MoreMoore]

Beware the kpf that doesn't have a hint of cnut in them too.

Most the failed high pick kpfs are your non contact lead into space in anti decongestion rules u18 comps style fwds.

They need mongrel in them to succeed.

This is what is promising about Kreuger

 

[MyManLynch]

Well that was a fun half hour of deleting.

This is a thread for the important topic of Colingwoods Trade and FAs

Take the covid stuff to the covid thread. Any covid comments here will be deleted

Attention Anzacday jathanas Maggie5

And persistance with covid posting will earn a penalty

You just mentioned Covid…

so did I…

 

[Copeland]

This is what is promising about Kreuger

And that may be why he gets injured, fingers crossed though.

 

[Daicos Daze]

Jason Davenport from Oakleigh Chargers just on SEN talking about prospective draft prospects from his club - on Dib he said - he has some character qualities where he will just walk in to a place and make everything better

Dibs is exciting to watch
We must recruit him
A STAR in the making

 

[ClaytonM]

Jason Davenport from Oakleigh Chargers just on SEN talking about prospective draft prospects from his club - on Dib he said - he has some character qualities where he will just walk in to a place and make everything better

Someone tell Davenport to just shut up, or just trash talk Dibb.

 

[Jen2310]

“And then (Collingwood NGA prospect) Youseph Dib… whatever environment he walks into, he will make the place better, utilise his resources and really get the most out of himself.

“He’s just a character that I would want at my footy club.”

“He’s a unicorn”: How Darcy raced into No. 1 calculations, and why Daicos can't be tagged

Oakleigh Chargers coach Jason Davenport believes the pair are the best players in the draft.

www.sen.com.au

 

[Finnishpie]

I wonder if we will attempt to trade back into the draft (early/mid 2nd round) after Daicos bid?

hope so!

 

[Quicky]

Someone tell Davenport to just shut up, or just trash talk Dibb.

It's his job to promote his players. Interesting he was pumping up Dibs character and not his playing qualities.

 

[magpies42]

Someone tell Davenport to just shut up, or just trash talk Dibb.

“He’s a unicorn”: How Darcy raced into No. 1 calculations, and why Daicos can't be tagged

Oakleigh Chargers coach Jason Davenport believes the pair are the best players in the draft.

www.sen.com.au