List Mgmt. Our Trade/FA, Suburban & Country Town Thread

[Scodog10]

Yep let's bookmark and come back when the new contract extension is signed end of 2025

I hope we’re discussing the result around then. Unfortunately though this one will be sorted first half of 2025…

 

[Pragmatic Shill]

My guess is it’ll start with a 1. No idea what the second number will be. Here’s to me being wrong!

Happy to have a slab on it! Colin Young isn’t known for ****ing spiders

Colin Young isn't his manager anymore. He's switched to Mac Sports.

 

[Bianconeri]

I’m all for allowing the right players to leave at the right time ala Noble this year, but I’m not convinced IQ is the one. If he doesn’t take the next step in 2025 this debate changes and McReery is the other.

Without a Perryman style deal it makes it a lot harder to pick them off as you’ve suggested. Take Geelong as the example because they manage their cap better than anyone and they would never offer this type of money for a Perryman level of player. When was the last time they lost one that didn’t want to go home?

I’m probably underestimating Quaynor’s ability to get his attacking game going in 2025 and overestimating Parker and HDM’s potential but I see the small defender role as a good position for a development player whilst Maynard is around.

But I’m starting to come around to your pov on the Perryman contract. My concern is now we sign Perryman on that contract and he then goes onto have a middling season on the wing and half back whilst our midfield remains the same and that allows others to think they’re worth more money.

The only way I’d be comfortable with that offer is if we intend on using him as full time first possession on baller that unlocks Nick Daicos but I’m unsure whether Fly will commit to that and whether Perryman even has that capability.

 

[Scodog10]

Colin Young isn't his manager anymore. He's switched to Mac Sports.

McConville is definitely better for us than Young! Hopefully that translates to the end result, but I won’t be holding my breath…

 

[sr36]

Last night’s B&F shifted the dynamic on Rioli. Our B&F is Friday? If so I’d like to revisit the discussion after that. For now though I agree with your take, but I suspect our B&F will make pick 25-7 (or whatever 20 ends at) seem untenable.

It's the strong draft stories that makes me think it's a good deal. The compo picks are relevant in terms of pushing the number out, but the others aren't - it'll probably end up 22 or 23 of the available players, the valued academy, FS kids aren't available or relevant in terms of our draft. That pick in terms of where they've scored draftees might sit pretty high in a standard draft.

 

[Scodog10]

I’m probably underestimating Quaynor’s ability to get his attacking game going in 2025 and overestimating Parker and HDM’s potential but I see the small defender role as a good position for a development player whilst Maynard is around.

But I’m starting to come around to your pov on the Perryman contract. My concern is now we sign Perryman on that contract and he then goes onto have a middling season on the wing and half back whilst our midfield remains the same and that allows others to think they’re worth more money.

The only way I’d be comfortable with that offer is if we intend on using him as full time first possession on baller that unlocks Nick Daicos but I’m unsure whether Fly will commit to that and whether Perryman even has that capability.

It seems counterintuitive with how important small forwards are these days, but I agree I think it’s a role that supports a developing type. I specifically look at what Humphries, Burgoyne, Wilmott and Robert’s have done in very strong teams this year. Without that intercept and attacking element to his game IQ doesn’t have his edge of 2022/23, but I’m hopeful he can recapture it and don’t subscribe to the “too big” theory.

It’s worth bearing in mind that if I’m right it’s opportunity cost not actual cost. I don’t see the flow on effect of this or similar deals ending the same way the Grundy/ Stephenson/ Phillips/ Treloar deals did which cost us players. It’s more the limiting factor of being able to attract an LDU or B King. Anyone keen on that level of FA probably needs to have an unshakable faith in the FD to believe it can still happen. There’s also every chance it’s an acknowledgment we were no hope and needed a different approach…

 

[Matt_352]

I think that Houston will cost too much in trade especially after Port lost out on Perryman and Cumming.

We have locked Perryman in.

From here I would try and keep Richards especially with Harvey out for an extended period. I would pick up Tomlinson for free to play FB.

Peatling for a 2nd rounder and Josh Daicos

7

Josh Daicos

Age

25

Ht

178cm

Wt

77kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

15.6

4star

K

8.3

3star

HB

7.3

5star

M

3.3

3star

T

3.6

5star

CL

1.3

3star

D

16.2

4star

K

9.2

4star

HB

7.0

4star

M

3.3

3star

T

3.5

4star

CL

1.5

4star

D

13.8

4star

K

7.6

3star

HB

6.2

4star

M

3.2

4star

T

4.2

5star

CL

1.2

4star

can stay in that HB role.

Noble + Future 1st for Pick 12 and 20. We then take those picks in the draft and take a couple of KPP.

Then we take LDU or Richards next year in Free agency and pick up McGuane.

 

[Fat Jesus]

Surprise surprise..Joe Richards hasn't revealed his inner most thoughts to a bunch of blokes he's never met.

They have no clue what Joe's thinking..why would they?

He has already made his mind up. Clubs involved will try and make it work.
He will than state his position or preferred club.
It will be announced during the draft.
Everything going on behind the scene that us dickheads are watching.

Install a Rheem in the meantime.

 

[left at home]

So basically he’s an above average bust? Confusing

Hope all our new player get to that bust level

 

[No SPIN]

I think if we were to summarise our positions as:

You thinking Schultz for Pick 10 and second rounder is a good piece of business whereas Perryman as FA for 6 years at $850k p.a. as bad piece of business that will pressure our cap and affect our ability to attract future players

Me thinking Schultz for Pick 10 and second rounder is a bad piece of business that affects our ability to offer enough trade capital to be in the frame for players like Houston/Petracca this year and Perryman as FA for 6 years at $850k p.a. for no picks is a good piece of business given the structure of our salary cap.

I'm happy to agree to disagree.

If we knew Houston and Petracca were going to be available in 12 months we may not have done the trade for Shooter. And had we known a horrific run of injuries would have seen the pick become 10, again we may have chosen not to do the trade.
These hindsighted criticisms are just illogical.

 

[ElliottsMaggies]

He has already made his mind up. Clubs involved will try and make it work.
He will than state his position or preferred club.
It will be announced during the draft.
Everything going on behind the scene that us dickheads are watching.

Install a Rheem in the meantime.

That's usually how it works

I'm not really that invested in what the media tries to guess about the inner workings of a footballer's mind. They have no clue

We have players to cover Joe if he chooses to leave, but if decides to stay, I'm fine with that too.

 

[No SPIN]

The disposal efficiency is a concern

Bobby Hill’s is almost identical at 63%.

 

[neilk]

Hes also saying we are still in the race for Hosuton. Interesting that Tom Morris is saying its down to Carlton and North.

Is that a player with Japanese roots?

 

[Scodog10]

It's the strong draft stories that makes me think it's a good deal. The compo picks are relevant in terms of pushing the number out, but the others aren't - it'll probably end up 22 or 23 of the available players, the valued academy, FS kids aren't available or relevant in terms of our draft. That pick in terms of where they've scored draftees might sit pretty high in a standard draft.

I see it a little differently. The strength of this draft will be that you’re going to find quality all the way into the 40’s, but that 40 odd still includes the academy players. By removing those academy players as you have that depth stretches into the 30’s.

You’ll also find guys in the teens that otherwise would have been top 10 in other drafts. The logic doesn’t necessarily leap that guys taken in the 20’s are the equivalent of teens picks in other drafts etc etc.

Given his contract status you negotiate hard, but the reality is now that Rioli won Richmond’s () without a top 5 B&F result (which is possible) it’s going to be a hard sell.

 

[cfc19902010]

Bobby Hill’s is almost identical at 63%.

Yeah Bobby needs to tidy up also

The difference is that Bobby is a match winner
He turns games

 

[sr36]

I see it a little differently. The strength of this draft will be that you’re going to find quality all the way into the 40’s, but that 40 odd still includes the academy players. By removing those academy players as you have that depth stretches into the 30’s.

You’ll also find guys in the teens that otherwise would have been top 10 in other drafts. The logic doesn’t necessarily leap that guys taken in the 20’s are the equivalent of teens picks in other drafts etc etc.

Given his contract status you negotiate hard, but the reality is now that Rioli won Richmond’s () without a top 5 B&F result (which is possible) it’s going to be a hard sell.

Yep. It's impossible to judge really without a really clear understanding of the current draft, which I sure as hell don't have.

 

[manicpie]

Out : Richards ( if he goes)
In : OWIES

 

[sr36]

Out : Richards ( if he goes)
In : OWIES

You need to change that pick. That's Wright in lieutenant killing mode - taking out Voss and whichever other duds they have running things over there.

 

[unplugged]

Gee my phone battery cops an absolute roasting at this time of year.

 

[manicpie]

You need to change that pick. That's Wright in lieutenant killing mode - taking out Voss and whichever other duds they have running things over there.

Imagine if I got my dream trade period.
Owies, Cumberland, tomlinson and Perryman. Central America hear I come

 

[Scodog10]

Yep. It's impossible to judge really without a really clear understanding of the current draft, which I sure as hell don't have.

Maybe I’m taking McRae’s comments too literally, but this is where I revert to him preferring players over picks. Rather than it being about trading out of drafts I look at it as him valuing the guy that finishes top 5-10 in our B&F over what might equate to a mid 20’s pick in a draft where the recruiters might not want to be picking.

For a practical example I’d look at 2020. In hindsight having a bundle of picks between 20-60 in that draft was much better value than having top end picks. The problem was we wound up with 4 of the 10 iffy picks in that bracket. At least we get a sense for it all in a weeks time!

 

[unplugged]

So, anyway, would pick 12 and Joey Richards be enough to get Houston?

 

[sr36]

Maybe I’m taking McRae’s comments too literally, but this is where I revert to him preferring players over picks. Rather than it being about trading out of drafts I look at it as him valuing the guy that finishes top 5-10 in our B&F over what might equate to a mid 20’s pick in a draft where the recruiters might not want to be picking.

For a practical example I’d look at 2020. In hindsight having a bundle of picks between 20-60 in that draft was much better value than having top end picks. The problem was we wound up with 4 of the 10 iffy picks in that bracket. At least we get a sense for it all in a weeks time!

Fly's job is about next year, so Noble trumps draft picks, but he'll only get one vote in terms of these decisions, and who knows - any pick we get for Noble might still go to a player.

 

[manicpie]

So, anyway, would pick 12 and Joey Richards be enough to get Houston?

God I hope so

 

[Doc1763]

Imagine if I got my dream trade period.
Owies, Cumberland, tomlinson and Perryman. Central America hear I come

you forgot Stringer