Game Day Collingwood v Brisbane, Gabba, 6 April, 7.45pm

[Forethought]

Interesting ruck stats from the Richmond game:

McStay competed 28 times for 4 Hitouts. 14%
Johnson competed 12 times for 3 Hitouts. 25%

And we won the clearances 10/6 from when Cameron went off.

Gerard Healy always said you either what to be roving to a ruckman who wins every tap or loses every tap. It’s the ones that your not sure about that kill your set up.

 

[Mollythedolly]

Billy Frampton as Ruck
McStay to Chop out 20%
Trey Ruscoe to go into the defence

Ruscoe a fair way off senior selection imho.

 

[ClaytonM]

Wouldn't you think that Kelly would still be playing KPD if the selectors thought he was genuinely any good in the role? He looks far happier playing on the wing against blokes of lesser stature. Both the KPDs named for our side tonight are VFL players.

I actually think Kelly is not AFL standard. But whoever we put in the ruck is not going to be an AFL standard ruck. Just think it is more important to at least compete in the ruck so our midfield can go to work. Frampton provides that best option.

I didn’t say it was a good option. We have none of them left. Reckon Kelly can keep Hipwood.

Think we need a ruck of some size to compete against O and Fort. Frampton has the size. Just needs to compete, not win.

 

[Mollythedolly]

Interesting month and a bit coming up for the coaches.

I'd be leaning towards keeping McStay forward despite being the most capable ruck available.

Maybe Cox can recover in time?

I actually don't mind the suggestion of trying Wilson as the ruck with McStay and Johnson helping out.

I’m not sure why people are suggesting Wilson as the Cameron replacement. He’s small for a KP option and very outside in terms of his playing style. Totally unsuited to going head to head with Brisbane’s rucks.

 

[Pleasedontfail11]

What other team has a high quality ruck available for if their first 2 rucks go down injured? I’m all ears.

Collingwood 2022

 

[Mollythedolly]

Agree. Begg wasn't ready last year, but we played him. Steene isn't ready, but we have to play him. We don't need him to be the next Polly Farmer.

Well it’d be bloody nice if that’s his ceiling, but probably an overreach over the next few weeks.

 

[coolidge1000]

What? From where did you source this piece of optimism? All I have heard about Cox is that he is out for 4-6 weeks. Quote Fly in press conference - '"We've had a bad week in the ruck stakes. Lost Mason [Cox] for a period of time and now it looks like Darcy [Cameron] will be out for a significant period. We'll find out more but the initial diagnosis is a high grade MCL which I don't know how long that is. We'll wait and see".'

They are being conservative with Cox
Like I said if it was a gf he would have played

 

[Soups]

Playing a new role in the VFL ( sample set of one) doesnt make him bad.

He wasn’t asking him to play his new role though. He is a terrible option for fullback. Wing role, we’ll have to wait and see.

 

[Mollythedolly]

Will Kelly is so bad he isn’t even playing FB at VFL level. Can’t see it happening.

Could Kelly fill the ruck role for a couple of games though?

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Tad harsh on Hill, he adds so much to the forward line and our entries into the 50. Can’t see him getting dropped any time soon. But WHE should start getting worried haha


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Fair, I’m not calling him to be dropped just yet but he was a big Fumbly.

If ginni has a big game tonight then there will be serious thought put into selection next week, maybe WHE goes out. Hill should be safe but there’s serious competition looming

 

[marshdogg]

Does anybody have access to the LIVE version of chatgpt? Would be very interested in its opinion

 

[Mollythedolly]

Yes but the other important stat missing is who they were up against in ruck. That may make a difference.

Nankervis and Ryan are a lesser combination that McInerney and Fort imho so it’ll definitely make a difference.

 

[Quicky]

There is also Frampton.

One option is Kelly to FB and Frampton to the ruck. Kelly should be able to handle Hipworth and Frampton just needs to compete.

Just a left field thought.

Kelly is nowhere near it at full back. If we had Dean or Howe i'd consider Frampton. Or maybe they have Murphy play taller? Still it would be a shame to shift Frampton when he's playing well and still settling in his role and at the level.

 

[Mollythedolly]

Don't know how. There was at least 6 Collingwood players better then him.

Who were the 6?

 

[stormskye]

Who were the 6?

Macrae, Johnson, Wilson, Steene, Ryan, allan, Jetta were all better than Kelly. Richard’s too.

I barely noticed Kelly and bianco (who had plenty)

 

[ElliottsMaggies]

And we won the clearances 10/6 from when Cameron went off.

Gerard Healy always said you either what to be roving to a ruckman who wins every tap or loses every tap. It’s the ones that your not sure about that kill your set up.

And we should be used to roving to a ruckman who doesn't necessarily tap it our own midfielders..aka Grundy

 

[ClaytonM]

Kelly is nowhere near it at full back. If we had Dean or Howe i'd consider Frampton. Or maybe they have Murphy play taller? Still it would be a shame to shift Frampton when he's playing well and still settling in his role and at the level.

Yeah I get that but think this week Kellyncan handle Hipwood. Week after that may be a different story.

 

[danielnajdek]

Who were the 6?

What Storm said.

 

[No SPIN]

Someone mentioned Richmond’s Ryan as an appropriate comparison for Steenes inclusion.
On checking, Ryan is 19kgs heavier, and still looks out of his depth.
So I’m still struggling to see how Steene is an option - I don’t want to ruin the kid, especially as the Big O is 25kg’s heavier.

 

[ElliottsMaggies]

Someone mentioned Richmond’s Ryan as an appropriate comparison for Steenes inclusion.
On checking, Ryan is 19kgs heavier, and still looks out of his depth.
So I’m still struggling to see how Steene is an option - I don’t want to ruin the kid, especially as the Big O is 25kg’s heavier.

If Fly doesn't think he's ready, that's enough for me. McStay was the difference for Lions in the finals last year when the big O went down.

 

[Mollythedolly]

Macrae, Johnson, Wilson, Steene, Ryan, allan, Jetta were all better than Kelly. Richard’s too.

I barely noticed Kelly and bianco (who had plenty)

Funny how we see things differently. I thought Kelly was better than Steene, Ryan, Jetta and Richards so he’d make my top 5. If Bianco had have put 4 quarters together he’d have squeezed him out, but not the others.

 

[Dead Eye Didak]

I'd be playing Murphy on Hipwwod. Frampton to Daniher, and free up Moore to be on a less dangerous match up to be able to move around and help out in the air third up. Quaynor to Cameron, probably Maynard to Gunston.

If that's the case, why not just play Moore in the ruck. He can roam back when required, whilst also resting up forward. He's so athletic, he would be a nightmare for McInerney .....

 

[swoop42]

Our injury list last year was almost exclusively contained to our taller players and unfortunately the trend has continued.

A fit Kreuger with a body you could rely on would be the go to option with both Cameron and Cox out but alas.

Fly's comments regarding Steene seem at odds with his decision to play the raw Begg last season ahead of Cox.

Perhaps that failed experiment is the reasoning behind his comments or was he wanting to lower any expectation in the mind of Steene that he might be playing AFL next week and wants him fully concentrating on his VFL game tonight.

FWIW Steene does look like a more natural ruck option than Begg even if he's not physically ready for AFL level.

 

[stormskye]

Our injury list last year was almost exclusively contained to our taller players and unfortunately the trend has continued.

A fit Kreuger with a body you could rely on would be the go to option with both Cameron and Cox out but alas.

Fly's comments regarding Steene seem at odds with his decision to play the raw Begg last season ahead of Cox.

Perhaps that failed experiment is the reasoning behind his comments or was he wanting to lower any expectation in the mind of Steene that he might be playing AFL next week and wants him fully concentrating on his VFL game tonight.

FWIW Steene does look like a more natural ruck option than Begg even if he's not physically ready for AFL level.

We’ve added frampton and mcstay, both capable rucks of required. It’s not ideal but for the next month cox will miss is bris, saints, bombers then adel. Move the pillars a bit and we be ok. Squads win flags. Not best 22. Just hope we have most back by the business end and can get to mid season with only 1 or 2 losses (ideally none of course)

 

[TheGreatGrundy]

They are being conservative with Cox
Like I said if it was a gf he would have played

Dr Google suggests a bleeding spleen is potentially one misstep away from death. It's a wonder that Cox was in the rooms last night looking as though he was fit and at ease with his body.

'What happens if your spleen is bleeding?

If this capsule tears or splits, it's called a splenic rupture. If your spleen ruptures, it's the most likely of all of your abdominal organs to cause life-threatening internal bleeding. A ruptured spleen is a medical emergency that requires swift diagnosis and intervention, and sometimes surgery'