Game Day Collingwood v Brisbane, Gabba, 6 April, 7.45pm

[Finnishpie]

Fly said he had bleeding in the spleen - I wish I shared your optimism.

Yeah, that’s well over a month.

 

[ElliottsMaggies]

Perhaps it's fate rather than bad luck.

Are you thinking 'karma' for getting rid of (the great) Grundy ?

 

[Finnishpie]

I don't think we're close to the tipping point. It's the mids and flankers who we need to remain fit.

If Cox doesn't get up, I'd play Frampton in the ruck and bring in Ruscoe.

Ruscoe. Now there’s a name I haven’t heard for a year.

 

[TheGreatGrundy]

Are you thinking 'karma' for getting rid of (the great) Grundy ?

It had crossed my mind. Reaching into the spare parts bin and pulling out a Grundy would be more than handy at this point in time. Ironically, he is Melbourne's last ruck standing.

 

[Finnishpie]

There is also Frampton.

One option is Kelly to FB and Frampton to the ruck. Kelly should be able to handle Hipworth and Frampton just needs to compete.

Just a left field thought.

Frampton is still just learning to be our key back, so there’s no way I’d move him.

Most likely would be McStay into ruck and McInnis plays forward.

 

[ClaytonM]

Interesting ruck stats from the Richmond game:

McStay competed 28 times for 4 Hitouts. 14%
Johnson competed 12 times for 3 Hitouts. 25%

Yes but the other important stat missing is who they were up against in ruck. That may make a difference.

 

[ClaytonM]

Frampton is still just learning to be our key back, so there’s no way I’d move him.

Most likely would be McStay into ruck and McInnis plays forward.

I could argue that they just brought in McStay to fix our forward line. No way they move him.

These are desperate times. Whichever way they go it will probably end up being a ‘no way they do that’ option. The good options are very thin on the ground.

 

[ElliottsMaggies]

It had crossed my mind. Reaching into the spare parts bin and pulling out a Grundy would be more than handy at this point in time. Ironically, he is Melbourne's last ruck standing.

He'd probably be injured too if he was on our list interested to see how he goes as the solo ruck for Dee's. Their fans weren't so impressed with him last week

 

[Finnishpie]

Yes but the other important stat missing is who they were up against in ruck. That may make a difference.

Nank was giving Cameron a bit of a lesson anyway.

 

[danielnajdek]

We were playing a ruck short when Brodie was with us. 40 hit outs to your own feet is useless for a midfielder to rove to.

 

[Apex36]

I could argue that they just brought in McStay to fix our forward line. No way they move him.

These are desperate times. Whichever way they go it will probably end up being a ‘no way they do that’ option. The good options are very thin on the ground.

And I could argue that our forward depth is greater than our key defence depth, which is already on the edge with Howe out of action, and facing a team that is running with 2 200cm key forwards and Gunston, with McInerney capable of floating forward and kicking goals too.

Given they made the decision to utilise McStay in the ruck rather than Frampton last night, it’s a pretty safe bet to assume that’s the way they’ll go if they overlook Steene on Thursday. Much better structurally to go in with an undersized forward line that’s still full of dangerous ground level options rather than gamble on an undersized defence holding out one of the taller forward lines in the comp.

 

[TheGreatGrundy]

He'd probably be injured too if he was on our list interested to see how he goes as the solo ruck for Dee's. Their fans weren't so impressed with him last week

He didn't do much - I watched the game.

Nank was giving Cameron a bit of a lesson anyway.

There hasn't been any mention of Cameron's actual role in our win. We have been too focused on how to cover his loss to consider how he fared against Nankervis.

 

[ClaytonM]

And I could argue that our forward depth is greater than our key defence depth, which is already on the edge with Howe out of action, and facing a team that is running with 2 200cm key forwards and Gunston, with McInerney capable of floating forward and kicking goals too.

Given they made the decision to utilise McStay in the ruck rather than Frampton last night, it’s a pretty safe bet to assume that’s the way they’ll go if they overlook Steene on Thursday. Much better structurally to go in with an undersized forward line that’s still full of dangerous ground level options rather than gamble on an undersized defence holding out one of the taller forward lines in the comp.

Perhaps they left Frampton where he was because they did not have Kelly in the side to replace him. What they did during the game was a point in time decision. Now they have time and a broader range of players to choose from they may go another way.

 

[TheGreatGrundy]

Perhaps they left Frampton where he was because they did not have Kelly in the side to replace him. What they did during the game was a point in time decision. Now they have time and a broader range of players to choose from they may go another way.

Wouldn't you think that Kelly would still be playing KPD if the selectors thought he was genuinely any good in the role? He looks far happier playing on the wing against blokes of lesser stature. Both the KPDs named for our side tonight are VFL players.

 

[Apex36]

Perhaps they left Frampton where he was because they did not have Kelly in the side to replace him. What they did during the game was a point in time decision. Now they have time and a broader range of players to choose from they may go another way.

Kelly, the player who they’ve been playing on the wing all preseason because he’s undersized and not strong enough aerially to play a key defensive role?

You’re clutching at straws here, trying to think of an alternative solution to the obvious one that’s trying it’s best to slap you in the face.

 

[nahnah]

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has been playing wing? Wow

 

[Fat Jesus]

If Fly considers bringing in Steene you wouldn't expect him to play the full VFL match today. Possibly only 2 quarters.

 

[Apex36]

Will Kelly has been playing wing? Wow

Even got coaches votes in last weeks VFL game playing there believe it or not.

 

[HyPIEcrite]

Doors ajar for Ginni now with another poor game from WHE and a so-so game from Hill. But he’s going to need to perform well in the VFL to come straight in next week.

Tad harsh on Hill, he adds so much to the forward line and our entries into the 50. Can’t see him getting dropped any time soon. But WHE should start getting worried haha


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[danielnajdek]

Even got coaches votes in last weeks VFL game playing there believe it or not.

Don't know how. There was at least 6 Collingwood players better then him.

 

[Dead Eye Didak]

Interesting ruck stats from the Richmond game:

McStay competed 28 times for 4 Hitouts. 14%
Johnson competed 12 times for 3 Hitouts. 25%

They just need to compete, they're not there to dominate the hitouts.....

 

[Chrispiesssss]

The more I think about it, the more I think we must play Steene.

We need to try minimise the risk of injury to our remaining KPPs.

 

[Dead Eye Didak]

Tad harsh on Hill, he adds so much to the forward line and our entries into the 50. Can’t see him getting dropped any time soon. But WHE should start getting worried haha


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Agree, Hill has been fantastic, and added much needed speed to our forward half. Thought some of his ground ball pick-ups last night were so clean, despite the wet, greasy conditions....

 

[HyPIEcrite]

Don’t discount Cox playing just yet. A hematoma is anywhere from a 1-4 week injury. By Thursday it will be just under 2 weeks since the injury was sustained, so it’s too early to completely rule him out yet. So depending on his fitness:

Out: Cameron, WHE

In: Cox/Steene, Ginnivan

Problem is it’s in his spleen, Id imagine the medical staff will need to be quite cautious with his management. FWIW from UpToDate

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[Apex36]

Don't know how. There was at least 6 Collingwood players better then him.

I agree, but the coaches obviously saw things differently