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Collingwood vs Adelaide
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My friend told me that last year, they were very wrong
Don't worry, I got it the first time you bumped the thread a couple of months ago.
I guess a positive is that no one seems to rate us anymore, no pressure on us going into the season unlike 2010.He was making a joke about the OP, idiot.
That thread has never been bumped.Don't worry, I got it the first time you bumped the thread a couple of months ago.
Straight back atcha.I did, however, create a new thread that referred to the original one.
I particularly liked this comment from you:
'As soon as you keep repeating Collingwood in your arguements, I stop reading, the bias is laughable. No one besides Collingwood supporters actually rates you in 2010, get over it.'
As well as this one from The Sloane Ranger:
'In 2009 the Crows were handed one of the toughest draws and just missed out on a top 4 birth, our 2010 draw is much more friendly. I'm personally looking forward to seeing how Collingwood go with a similarly tough draw in 2010.'
Or this one from KidA:
'fadge manages to draw upon one free kick to John Anthony and extend it to 5 pages of trolling bigfooty. typical of a lightweight intellect. we'll let the results do the talking later this year.'
In response to Wall-E who said:
'Wow Fadge....seeing as the Pies are top 3 in every category known to man you should enjoy your 12 premierships in a row.'
Well, I've certainly enjoyed our first...
This thread is littered with similar comments. Compelling and entertaining reading.
Its funny because I thought that the crows are TRYING to do what Collingwood did last year.
Getting a Mid and a Ruckman, too bad for the crows they have/want two total duds who will do nothing in helping them win a premiership.
Collingwood on the other hand picked up two quality players with loads of experience and the results were for all to see.
Getting a Mid and a Ruckman, too bad for the crows they have/want two total duds who will do nothing in helping them win a premiership.
Collingwood on the other hand picked up two quality players with loads of experience and the results were for all to see.
That thread has never been bumped.
I did, however, create a new thread that referred to the original one.
I particularly liked this comment from you:
'As soon as you keep repeating Collingwood in your arguements, I stop reading, the bias is laughable. No one besides Collingwood supporters actually rates you in 2010, get over it.'
As well as this one from The Sloane Ranger:
'In 2009 the Crows were handed one of the toughest draws and just missed out on a top 4 birth, our 2010 draw is much more friendly. I'm personally looking forward to seeing how Collingwood go with a similarly tough draw in 2010.'
Or this one from KidA:
'fadge manages to draw upon one free kick to John Anthony and extend it to 5 pages of trolling bigfooty. typical of a lightweight intellect. we'll let the results do the talking later this year.'
In response to Wall-E who said:
'Wow Fadge....seeing as the Pies are top 3 in every category known to man you should enjoy your 12 premierships in a row.'
Well, I've certainly enjoyed our first...
This thread is littered with similar comments. Compelling and entertaining reading.
Crows fans overrated their list like no other set of supporters in the league. They somehow think they'll make the finals next year, which is absolutely delusional.
I'd be suprised if they finished above 10th, They need to take off their coloured glasses and look at their list properly. The media in Adelaide should be blamed for building up a team with little talent as world beaters. Take Phil Davis as an example, played what? 6 games for the crows? And some of their fans are talking about him being a future AA CHB
They are 5-6 years away from a flag imho.
There were at least 6 games this year where the Crows were in abysmal form ... even compared to their own form later in the same year. Shocking form ... compared to the way they should have been playing. The Crows went from an abysmal 0-6 start, their worst ever, suggesting they were headed for a spoon, to having a shot at finals with six rounds to go after a good win against then-top-team Geelong.
If the Crows can get their heads in the right place in 2010, and have a more normal run with injuries ... yes then there are easily 6 games that can be picked up.
The previous years in which the Crows had very bad seasons with injury and finished well below where they were capable occurred in 1996 and 2004. At the end of each of those years the Crows shed a considerable amount of experience from their list. In 1996 it was A Jarman, McDermott & McGuiness. In 2004 it was Carey and Smart.
The Crows went OK in 1997 and 2005.
I'm not suggesting that 2011 will be as good for the Crows as either 1997 or 2005 were, but I do contend that a considerable improvement, even to the extent of 6 games better, is possible. 15 wins next season would be a very good result, quite improbable but not wildly impossible.
As a crows fan i dont really rate Rutten. Would happily see him replaced with one of our taller young players. It seems we spent the last 2 drafts getting nothing but bigs, so we may as well play them.
Rutten is too slow and gets exposed whenever he is one out.
But yeah in response to the thread... we are no where near Collingwood at this stage. We get smashed by elite midfields and until we get more class in there we will always lose to the top 4 teams
Too slow?
Truck has great speed for a guy of his size and i remember him chasing down a small type on a few occasions. Ballantyne was one i think? He's no slouch
Who would be the perfect replacement from our younger brigade for Rutten?
Rutten is criminally sold short on this site, and not just by opposition supporters. He got beaten twice this year. Once by Barry Hall when our midfieild was a mess and the ball was flying in every 2 seconds and once by Mitch Clark where he was truly pantsed
Not bad for a guy who is too slow in a team that was terrible this year. He also played 99% game time too
Realistically we should be aiming for finals next year, but if we do, we'll only just scrape it in. 7th-11th for mine and waaaaaaaaaaayyyyy behind the Pies
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Mate the collingwood team from this year would annihilate last years team. It was more then "maturing a little" which saw us get to where we are.
Tambling will take us to our next premiership.
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Having belief is a wonderful thing hey for your playing group? especially when your coach can not only spot it, but harness it, work it.............
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That is a coaching issue. Have you guys changed coach in the off-season??
Adelaide would have ended on 8 wins if St.Kilda actually tried in rd 22...even after the abysmal start they pretty much broke even. Sums up where the Crows are, a middle of the road team.
Adelaide's list simply aint good enough to win 15 games in 2011.
It probably isnt, think there will be a little bit of pain first.
I think it can be deceiving though, Collingwood's list has very few stars imo. That's not a troll, but Im surprised you got up in the end. The side certainly doesnt have as many names you can reel off as champs like we saw with a team like Geelong. Not sure we've seen a premiership side with some many good, solid workman like players. It was more a flag about system.
The forwards- Cloke and Dawes- had very good seasons, played their roles- but hardly stars. Most of the backline fits that category too.
Our list could be anything, it might be nothing. Our supporters probably over rate the list as most clubs supporters do, but there has never been more potential in a crows squad in 20 years. The beauty of it is there is quite a diverse spread of talent across all positions (except ruck perhaps) and abilities- its a great mix-theres pure athletes, players with grunt, natural forwards etc.
Nothings promised, but when most hit the 70-100 game mark, things should get very interesting.
How many Geelong players were rated as Champs back in 07??
Enright, Corey, Mackie, Ling, Taylor they built reputations once the side was winning.
Guys like Thomas, Pendlebury, H.Shaw, Harry O, Wellingham, Sidebottom will start to get those accolades if we keep on winning.
Agree, hardly stars....but they are much better than average.
Disagree.....Harry, H.Shaw and Maxwell are AA quality defenders.
Presti is the veteran stopper, N.Brown and Reid learning from Presti.
Tis a quality backline, cant think of a better one.
Laughable. Who is the next McLeod, Roo, B.Hart, Goodwin etc.
You just lost a group of all time club champions....
Adelaide have very very impressive youngsters. Sloane, Henderson, Armstrong, Dangerfield, Jaensch and Davis are all really good up and comers and most are gonna be around for 10 plus years. Couple that with the stars they have already in Douglas, Knights, Thompson and Vince and a spine of up and comers I can see Adelaide making a mark for themselves. However, I think they are still a year or 2 of challenging for the cup.
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Again, not really sure at the point of this thread. I don't see any supporters predicting top 4 anywhere. I wouldn't be surprised to see more of the same next year, finishing somewhere between 7th and 10th. Finals would be nice, but I wouldn't be too shocked either if it didn't happen. Need to get those young bodies playing 20 games a season first.
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Collingwood had 16 players with 100+ games experience this year, whilst Adelaide had just 7 on the park. (Edwards, McLeod, Goodwin and the injured Bock didn't complete the year and Burton never made it on to the park). Collingwood's core group of players is in that "prime" position - the one where Geelong has been for the last few years (but is now aging/losing players) and St Kilda is at the moment. It is no fluke that all three have been the top teams for the last two years. Hawthorn were the exception to the rule.
Adelaide has huge upside in its drafted and developed young players, but we lack the depth and experience to seriously challenge for a couple of years probably.
Adelaide has huge upside in its drafted and developed young players, but we lack the depth and experience to seriously challenge for a couple of years probably.
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hang on, Collingwood's grand final team had an average age of 24 yrs 57 days. that's the youngest premier of the modern era, less than even the vaunted 1993 baby bombers.
* they had 12 players > 100 games
* only 2 players > 200 games. the mighty leigh brown and Ben Johnson
* only 6 players >150 games
* 7 players with 50 games or less
* 10 players with less than 70 games.
Collingwood's core players are not in some imaginary prime at all.
15 players were under 25.
9 players 22 or younger.
7 players only 26 or older.
they are incredibly ****ing young and inexperienced.
Basically I put it down to Mick Malthouse.
he created a gameplan and structures that had everyone contributing.
It also allowed a couple of unpolished players stand up and make a mark - same for a few inexperienced ones.
This made us more resilient to any injuries and form slumps - lets not forget that medders gave us nothing..
I don't fully understand the persistent hype around the Adelaide list but then again i don't really follow their developing young players. I'm more interested in what Longmire will do with Sydney.. an interesting mix for next year.
he created a gameplan and structures that had everyone contributing.
It also allowed a couple of unpolished players stand up and make a mark - same for a few inexperienced ones.
This made us more resilient to any injuries and form slumps - lets not forget that medders gave us nothing..
I don't fully understand the persistent hype around the Adelaide list but then again i don't really follow their developing young players. I'm more interested in what Longmire will do with Sydney.. an interesting mix for next year.
jenny61_99
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Collingwood had 19 players that had 100+ games. Of those, 6 were 200+ gamers, granted only Johnson and Brown had any real impact this season. 13 other players had 100+ games and only 2 of those didn't play many games (Fraser and Medhurst). So of their 19 players with 100+ games experience (the core group of players) - 12 played in 20+ games for the season. Of the younger players only 6 played 20 or more and all 6 of those had played between 26 and 52 games (18 players in total with 20+ games). Only Goldsack and Nathan Brown played any significant # of games of the remaining younger players (11 and 13 respectively). I think it's safe to assume that Collingwood's core group of players were the main reason they were so outstanding this year and contributed in the most part to their premiership.
In comparison, Adelaide had only 12 players that had played 100+ games. Of those, 3 had played 200+ games. Goodwin, Edwards and McLeod managed just 16, 10 and 12 games. Of the other 9 players in the 100+ category, only 4 managed 20 + games. Only 3 of our younger boys managed 20+ games, making a total of 7. Compared to 18 from Collingwood. There's your story right there.
We now have only 7 players on our list with 100+ games (8 if you count Tambling).
Not sure that Collingwood wins the "least experienced" tag.
yeh but some of our 100 gamers are still 22/23 like pendles and daisy, comparing to someone like vince at the crows who is 2 years older and is in his prime and hasnt played 100 games, pendles and daisy have much more improvement in them than someone like vince
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