Opinion Commentary & Media VI

[hilly]

I'm glad both of you have remembered the information delivered in the compulsory 6hr diversity lectures your workplace prescribed.

Union Jack is rubbish bro.

 

[ferball]

a pandora’s floodgate of worms

Than is brilliant phrasing.

 

[ferball]

This might open up Pandora's box tbh. Especially if someone wants to cause a bit of controversy.

I could easily see someone bring the flag of China or Russia, people waving the Australian flag in rounds 10 and 11, or a Saudi flag during women's/pride rounds.

Oh dear

Its not a pandora's box.

Its a pandora's floodgate of worms.

Please get it right next time.

 

[Spud11]

I saw the Israel flag and said to my contemporary, as we nibbled our unsalted cashews: “ay, that’s fitting. There’s a country that survives no matter what they’re surrounded with, they keep doing what they despite it being made really hard. The just keep existing despite everyone saying they shouldn’t. And when you go there, it’s really good, it’s like - this is how you should live! This is an oasis in a godforsaken corner of the earth. There’s something special about it. Everyone throws stones at them but Israel doesn’t care”

He looked back, grabbed me by my blue and white NMFC guernsey and said “whoa, that’s us, dude”

bill&tedAirGuitar.gif

 

[lockheed]

Filed under 1998.

Thank * for trauma induced amnesia!

As for that ******* game

 

[Hojuman]

Israeli flag, Ron Joseph, Tarryn.

I wake in fear every morning when l check B.F.

 

[rickety]

Israeli flag, Ron Joseph, Tarryn.

I wake in fear every morning when l check B.F.

Grab a line from Johnny Mellencamp mate, and not one of the Nadia Bartel lines either

It was just another day, just another day
Watching girls on the street, well thats all right by me
And its just another day

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

 

[Ashley B]

 

[remfan101]

Fwiw, I have no problem with national or, cultural flags (as long as they’re not hateful, ie Nazi germany flags). I can appreciate the incitement argument, but when does that ever happen at games with other flags.

A national flag or a cultural or a pride flag brought to a game is great as those individuals see it as a sign of pride of one’s culture, or to celebrate the culture of a player. The Israeli flag would resonate with Harry as would an Australian or German flag for me. Bringing a flag is not a statement of public support for particular policies and political decisions.

We are a game played and supported by people from wide range of cultures. Let’s celebrate that diversity.

Would bringing a South African flag to a game during apartheid have been 'celebrating diversity' though? Can imagine Palestinian North fans and anyone who is opposed to Zionism and colonialism would have been pretty uncomfortable seeing the Israeli flag in our cheersquad.

It also plays into the conflation of Judaism and Israel, which is a cynical and destructive tactic of the Israeli government. Really hope it doesn't happen again tbh

 

[Caracas]

Channel 9 portraying the Portlaoise “The Town” colours as the Irish flag shows how confused this can get…


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[Kangaroos4eva]

Would bringing a South African flag to a game during apartheid have been 'celebrating diversity' though? Can imagine Palestinian North fans and anyone who is opposed to Zionism and colonialism would have been pretty uncomfortable seeing the Israeli flag in our cheersquad.

It also plays into the conflation of Judaism and Israel, which is a cynical and destructive tactic of the Israeli government. Really hope it doesn't happen again tbh

Obvious hateful flags (including Nazi, etc.,) are obviously outs, but the rest are fine. The rationale is that there are very few national/cultural flags that don't produce some varying level of angst at some level of society. In addition, waving or displaying a flag is not conducive to making a political statement. At the end of the day, it comes down to whether potential level of angst and negative feelings over a particular flag at the footy trumps an individual's right to display pride in one's culture?

I tend to favour the later as we are open society, but I can appreciate the counter points.

Spoiler

BTW, I wasn't conflating Judaism and Israel.

The current region of Israel and Star of David flag of Israel have ties to mainstream Orthodox Jewish culture around the world, but are obviously not one and the same (with most Israeli Jews being of Eastern European origins). Hence why I used the word resonate, rather than stronger words like deep connection.

 

[Jeremy Jordan]

I can help with that…

Seriously though:

Annnnnnnnd I’m hard…..

 

[czero]

 

[AnEmptyChair]

Obvious hateful flags (including Nazi, etc.,) are obviously outs, but the rest are fine. The rationale is that there are very few national/cultural flags that don't produce some varying level of angst at some level of society. In addition, waving or displaying a flag is not conducive to making a political statement. At the end of the day, it comes down to whether potential level of angst and negative feelings over a particular flag at the footy trumps an individual's right to display pride in one's culture?

I tend to favour the later as we are open society, but I can appreciate the counter points.

Spoiler

BTW, I wasn't conflating Judaism and Israel.

The current region of Israel and Star of David flag of Israel have ties to mainstream Orthodox Jewish culture around the world, but are obviously not one and the same (with most Israeli Jews being of Eastern European origins). Hence why I used the word resonate, rather than stronger words like deep connection.

fair and good post, k4e. geez this shit is not making me yearn for the pages and pages of discussions from the halcyon days of the RC thread

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

fair and good post, k4e. geez this s**t is not making me yearn for the pages and pages of discussions from the halcyon days of the RC thread

Some good days and deep discussions in that thread, and a lot that weren't, lol.

 

[Lomas]

Nothing inflates like when hate debates conflate.

 

[Chadwiko]

Ugh. Loathe as I am to keep this conversation going, it's a sad day when Zionism Victoria is being quoted as representative of the jewish community at large.

Yuuuup.

JCCV is the go-to peak community group for Jews in VIC. Pretty much ignore all the others.

Especially AJA who are the worst.

 

[ferball]

Obvious hateful flags (including Nazi, etc.,) are obviously outs, but the rest are fine. The rationale is that there are very few national/cultural flags that don't produce some varying level of angst at some level of society. In addition, waving or displaying a flag is not conducive to making a political statement. At the end of the day, it comes down to whether potential level of angst and negative feelings over a particular flag at the footy trumps an individual's right to display pride in one's culture?

I tend to favour the later as we are open society, but I can appreciate the counter points.

Spoiler

BTW, I wasn't conflating Judaism and Israel.

The current region of Israel and Star of David flag of Israel have ties to mainstream Orthodox Jewish culture around the world, but are obviously not one and the same (with most Israeli Jews being of Eastern European origins). Hence why I used the word resonate, rather than stronger words like deep connection.

Re your spoiler...

There are actually serious orthodox groups who reject Israel because they believe god ended Israel thousands of years ago because his people broke the covenant and they've never made amends and remade their covenant with god.

So Israel is illegitimate because it hasn't been authorised by God.

Its unreal how convoluted and ****ed up that whole situation is.

 

[Flawed Genius]

Enough. This discussion is going nowhere. If you'd like to continue it, do so in PMs.

 

[Tas]

 

[Ocha905]

The AFL’s policy is clear on religious, cultural and political statements with flags at games

Given the issues Jacinta Price is currently stoking up in protests, the woke brigade really have backed themselves into a corner here.

If the Israeli flag is clearly banned, Aboriginal and TSI flags should also be confiscated if displayed at grounds given the current political climate.

What an idiotic take.

Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islanders aren't systematically oppressing people unlike Israel with Palestine.

 

[ferball]

What an idiotic take.

Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islanders aren't systematically oppressing people unlike Israel with Palestine.

The welcome to countries are pretty oppressive and indoctrinating apparently.

 

[Lomas]

The welcome to countries are pretty oppressive and indoctrinating apparently.

I guess they have forced me to learn more about the rich and diverse history of the lands I’ve attended meetings on, true. And I believe myself to have a greater, although small, understanding of them now too. Bloody indoctrination.

 

[krakouers]

Channel 9 portraying the Portlaoise “The Town” colours as the Irish flag shows how confused this can get…


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Now that’s the true crime here… but let’s count our blessings it wasn’t the Kilkenny flag