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LB2Snake said:
Not sure how I read that personally, but I’ll choose to not take offence.

Think it was unnecessary of the club to exclude our greatest ever player, clearly on the grounds you suggest, if that’s indeed that’s why they did. It’s a dangerous game IMO.
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no rollerball is a dangerous game.
 
Devski said:
Yes I'd absolutely be fine with Dani Laidley having nothing to do with the club too.

I don't know about you but I've never been even accused of crimes such as indecent assault, assault police or stalking.

I don't think that being free from violent crime convictions is a high bar to hold someone to at an organisation that should be family friendly.
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If we're gonna damn people on the basis of accusations then we've lost the plot.

Generally speaking tho...

Carey has daughters. It certainly wouldn't hurt anyone (even him) for him to say how shit his behaviour was publicly every so often just so they don't grow up thinking its acceptable.

On the other hand, who gives a **** about an add for merch?
 
Lomas said:
The divine right of kings has been rejected throughout history. And I don't even know which King we are talking about anymore. Or which Corey, Corsa, or Carey.
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The only thing kings are gopod for is donating their necks for axe swinging practice.
 

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rickety said:
Brocky became that to Holden in any case, or a very close facsimile there of. And bigger than both WC and TW combined, imo.
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What did he do wrong?
 
ferball said:
The only thing kings are gopod for is donating their necks for axe swinging practice.
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Bit harsh on the following Kings:
  • David
  • Stephen
  • Bernard
 
The point with Brock is he was not the same guy by the end of his life. I suggest Carey is not the same guy either. So when has enough time past?

If he was still alive, would the wheel have turned again to have Brock cancelled?

Why is the rehabilitation of Andrew Krakouer celebrated? Is it just because his offence wasn’t against a woman? Why is Ben Cousins reading the news? His offences were far more recent and were worthy of prison.

I don’t know the answers to these questions. I do know that none of this makes sense.
 
Black Diamond said:
The point with Brock is he was not the same guy by the end of his life. I suggest Carey is not the same guy either. So when has enough time past?

If he was still alive, would the wheel have turned again to have Brock cancelled?

Why is the rehabilitation of Andrew Krakouer celebrated? Is it just because his offence wasn’t against a woman? Why is Ben Cousins reading the news? His offences were far more recent and were worthy of prison.

I don’t know the answers to these questions. I do know that none of this makes sense.
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I did some basic reading of Brock's life today. In 1984 he gave up booze, durries and even meat. Went quite new age, which ended up costing him a few years later. His first marriage last a year and his second nearly 30, in the end the second wife left him cos he kept ****ing around behind her back. She claimed he was never violent.

There does seem to be evidence that Brock changed his behaviour and tried to be a better person at the height of his career.

That's a much better outcome in terms of his life choices. People can change, but it takes serious examination of your behaviour and more honesty with yourself than many people manage in their lifetimes. It usually takes some sort of crisis or event where things go to shit as well. In Brock's case it was after he went to Europe and failed to be successful.

Carey could have done this after he went to Adelaide but he appears not have.
 

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DuckYeah said:
Just listened to the last ten minutes, thanks for the time stamp, would have frustrated the **** out of me listening through all of that.

our club made some serious blunders appointing coaches, Shaw and Noble were disastrous. Who ever pulled those strings completely cooked the club. Noble was not an AFL standard coach, would have been better off leaving patch or finding an assistant from another club. They would have found one to do the job. ****ing Noble, you can tell from that interview he was out of his depth.
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Wasn't Paul Roos supposed to be David Noble's mentor for the first couple of years? We all know how well that went.

If that's the case, North tried to provide support that they knew Noble needed. Possibly through no fault of their own, it failed badly, and badly damaged the club.
 
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Roostorm said:
I know some people have been frothing about the centennial jumper promotion video….and have questions about why certain individuals weren’t in it.
However l thought ld leave this here….done by a diehard north supporter who’s just started up their own channel…get around them ..
Oh and l got a bit of a tear watching this pretty amazing clip….
Cheers
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I love that footage of Jarrad Waite. Always brings a smile to my face.
 
ferball said:
I did some basic reading of Brock's life today. In 1984 he gave up booze, durries and even meat. Went quite new age, which ended up costing him a few years later. His first marriage last a year and his second nearly 30, in the end the second wife left him cos he kept ****ing around behind her back. She claimed he was never violent.

There does seem to be evidence that Brock changed his behaviour and tried to be a better person at the height of his career.

That's a much better outcome in terms of his life choices. People can change, but it takes serious examination of your behaviour and more honesty with yourself than many people manage in their lifetimes. It usually takes some sort of crisis or event where things go to shit as well. In Brock's case it was after he went to Europe and failed to be successful.

Carey could have done this after he went to Adelaide but he appears not have.
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Black Diamond said:
The point with Brock is he was not the same guy by the end of his life. I suggest Carey is not the same guy either. So when has enough time past?

If he was still alive, would the wheel have turned again to have Brock cancelled?

Why is the rehabilitation of Andrew Krakouer celebrated? Is it just because his offence wasn’t against a woman? Why is Ben Cousins reading the news? His offences were far more recent and were worthy of prison.

I don’t know the answers to these questions. I do know that none of this makes sense.
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I think all you can do is look at people's long term behaviour patterns to get the best insight as to whether they have changed. If memory serves, Carey has shown remorse and expressed a lot of regret regarding behaviour toward women when confessing to it all on his SAS Australia appearance. Could it have been all for the camera and him just saying what he thinks he needs to? Very possible.

If it's repeated scumbag behaviour over time I can understand why people would be skeptical that the person is capable of changing.

And then you have the types that not only don't show any remorse or humility but actively double down and brag about it ...the Tate types who are probably irredeemable.

Perhaps a decent example is someone like Stone Cold Steve Austin. Universally beloved by everybody who follows WWE, yet had a pretty ugly DV incident 23 years ago. Pled guilty, did community service, took a DV counselling and later expressed regret over it, and no repeat offenses since. You see him now and he lives a very private life just posting cat videos on instagram. Dude genuinely turned it around.
 
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ferball said:
I did some basic reading of Brock's life today. In 1984 he gave up booze, durries and even meat. Went quite new age, which ended up costing him a few years later. His first marriage last a year and his second nearly 30, in the end the second wife left him cos he kept ****ing around behind her back. She claimed he was never violent.

There does seem to be evidence that Brock changed his behaviour and tried to be a better person at the height of his career.

That's a much better outcome in terms of his life choices. People can change, but it takes serious examination of your behaviour and more honesty with yourself than many people manage in their lifetimes. It usually takes some sort of crisis or event where things go to shit as well. In Brock's case it was after he went to Europe and failed to be successful.

Carey could have done this after he went to Adelaide but he appears not have.
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When Brocky went new age, he also tried to convince the motoring world of a fuel polariser”. Iirc this lead to his departure from Holden, and was a long time after his DV issues. I remember my mum telling me when I was about 7 that he had hit his wife - she was the Chanel 7 weather girl or something. PB was, and still is revered as our greatest national car racer, well, at least by the Holden half of the country. Both sadly no longer with us, imo.
 
rickety said:
When Brocky went new age, he also tried to convince the motoring world of a fuel polariser”. Iirc this lead to his departure from Holden, and was a long time after his DV issues. I remember my mum telling me when I was about 7 that he had hit his wife - she was the Chanel 7 weather girl or something. PB was, and still is revered as our greatest national car racer, well, at least by the Holden half of the country. Both sadly no longer with us, imo.
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It was certainly a polarising device...
 
 

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