Concerning signs for the West Coast Eagles

[DanWA]

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What year are you calling our rebuild?

 

[DanWA]

It’s this year apparently

Premiership Eagle tips West Coast to return to the top eight

“You can’t compare the last year, it’s not going to be the same team.”

www.sen.com.au

This year your club promised top 4

You are currently 15th

Your story is not a statement from our club

 

[Electronic_Renaissance]

Wambat aka DanWA is slowly drowning here, but at least he is still around I suppose.

Where is Bev?

#concerning

 

[Madas]

What year are you calling our rebuild?

What’s your definition of a rebuild ?

 

[DanWA]

What’s your definition of a rebuild ?

Hitting the draft and retirements

We started that last year and doing it again this year hence the 2 years

 

[Purple Suit]

Incorrect and has been cleared up many times

Cockburn fans just have their own story to tell to suit their "battler" image

We didn't have the state. We got whatever the VFL didn't take

Cockburn also had the national draft available to them

So every WAFL club, both young players who hadn’t got to draft age and oldies who hadn’t been picked up wasn’t the state? Silver spoon thinking on that one, it was so huge you could dominate if you were allowed that now.

This is a time when scouting was barely around and everyone knew WC were coming in a few years out so the kids held out to stay home.

Much easier than when the draft was established and no one escaped. Ever wonder why you had so many guns picked very late in your early drafts?

 

[Madas]

Hitting the draft and retirements

We started that last year and doing it again this year hence the 2 years

ok
And when does a rebuild end ?

 

[Triggering Tiger]

ok
And when does a rebuild end ?

When they win a game!

 

[DanWA]

So every WAFL club, both young players who hadn’t got to draft age and oldies who hadn’t been picked up wasn’t the state? Silver spoon thinking on that one, it was so huge you could dominate if you were allowed that now.

This is a time when scouting was barely around and everyone knew WC were coming in a few years out so the kids held out to stay home.

Much easier than when the draft was established and no one escaped. Ever wonder why you had so many guns picked very late in your early drafts?

You ever wondered why Cockburn had no guns? They didn't pick them. They made bad choices and you had more concessions and access to the national draft

Cockburn has just been a trash ran club since the beginning hence the lack of success and the "battler syndrome"

 

[DanWA]

ok
And when does a rebuild end ?

When we're back to the sustained success we're used to (that Cockburn wouldn't know about)

Are you still sprouting Cockburn is in year 4 of their rebuild?

 

[Purple Suit]

You ever wondered why Cockburn had no guns? They didn't pick them. They made bad choices and you had more concessions and access to the national draft

Cockburn has just been a trash ran club since the beginning hence the lack of success and the "battler syndrome"

WC had no draft year 1 but they had 8 WAFL clubs to pick from. All those kids. Then concessions for 6 seasons getting the best few pre draft.

Freo had 4 clubs for 2 seasons plus a normal draft and pick 1 for two years.

You just write lies and try to change history. Typical silver spoon entitlement.

 

[Grand Uncle Horace]

The Chooks are in a shocking state. Nearly three years into a rebuild, they are now the worst team in AFL history.

Even lol Norf look better.

 

[DanWA]

WC had no draft year 1 but they had 8 WAFL clubs to pick from. All those kids. Then concessions for 6 seasons getting the best few pre draft.

Freo had 4 clubs for 2 seasons plus a normal draft and pick 1 for two years.

You just write lies and try to change history. Typical silver spoon entitlement.

You write lies to make it sound like Cockburn was hard done by and they weren't

They just made poor choices

There is a high light reel of early mistakes Cockburn made

We would have dominated the comp if we had Cockburn's concessions

Maybe Cockburn would have done better early if not for the Soufs stain

 

[DanWA]

The Chooks are in a shocking state. Nearly three years into a rebuild, they are now the worst team in AFL history.

Even lol Norf look better.

We're in our second year of rebuild and Cockburn has the title of worst team in afl history and they were salary cap cheating that year

 

[Purple Suit]

You write lies to make it sound like Cockburn was hard done by and they weren't

They just made poor choices

There is a high light reel of early mistakes Cockburn made

We would have dominated the comp if we had Cockburn's concessions

Maybe Cockburn would have done better early if not for the Soufs stain

You would have dominated the comp if you got half the concessions you actually got?

Sure mate

 

[Grand Uncle Horace]

Is it true not just Reid but Curtin have told the Chooks they don’t want to be drafted by them

 

[DanWA]

You would have dominated the comp if you got half the concessions you actually got?

Sure mate

You just need to drop the battler syndrome.

Your club has been run like trash since the beginning



Have a gander champ

 

[DanWA]

Is it true not just Reid but Curtin have told the Chooks they don’t want to be drafted by them

Link?

I am all for splitting pick 1 if we get it

 

[Grand Uncle Horace]

No top 10 pick aspires to being drafted by Norf or the Chooks

 

[Purple Suit]

You just need to drop the battler syndrome.

Your club has been run like trash since the beginning



Have a gander champ

That video proves nothing, it was made by the silver spooners and doesn’t even explain what concessions you actually got. “WAFL had already been raided” expect for the talented kids you idiots which is how you build a team.

You had access to 8 WAFL clubs. You then got WA preselections for 6 seasons. Facts.

 

[DanWA]

That video proves nothing, it was made by the silver spooners and doesn’t even explain what concessions you actually got. “WAFL had already been raided” expect for the talented kids you idiots which is how you build a team.

You had access to 8 WAFL clubs. You then got WA preselections for 6 seasons. Facts.

The WAFL was already raided before we got a look in

That didn't happen for Cockburn and Cockburn had the national draft

If we had preselection you speak of we would have had a dream team those 6 years. We only got to choose after the VFL took the cream

Drop the battler syndrome, you had a walk in the park at the start and stuffed it up

 

[Purple Suit]

The WAFL was already raided before we got a look in

That didn't happen for Cockburn and Cockburn had the national draft

If we had preselection you speak of we would have had a dream team those 6 years. We only got to choose after the VFL took the cream

Drop the battler syndrome, you had a walk in the park at the start and stuffed it up

So it was raided in 87 but not in 95?

You know they can’t raid new kids coming into the system right? And six years of concession is more than 2?

8 WAFL clubs is more than 4?

 

[bh90210fan]

That video proves nothing, it was made by the silver spooners and doesn’t even explain what concessions you actually got. “WAFL had already been raided” expect for the talented kids you idiots which is how you build a team.

You had access to 8 WAFL clubs. You then got WA preselections for 6 seasons. Facts.

This pretty much sums it up for ya


A WA state side?

In 1986 the WA State of Origin side played Victoria in July.

Of the 22 in that side, the following players were on the Eagles list at the start of 1987:

Geoff Miles, Shane Ellis, Dean Laidley, Ross Glendinning, Peter Davidson, Phil Narkle, Andrew MacNish, Laurie Keene, Dwayne Lamb, Colin Waterson. Thats 10.

The 12 players who werent on our list were Brad Hardie, Rod Lester-Smith, Leon Baker, Gary Buckenara, Peter Sartori, Peter Wilson, Brian Peake, Maurice Rioli, Michael Mitchell, Wayne Blackwell, Paul Harding, Mark Bairstow.

In other words the Eagles got the fringe players left after the VFL teams took the cream.

Of those 10 players, precisely one played in a Premiership for West Coast (Dwayne Lamb). 2 of the players who went to Victoria were subsequently traded back to West Coast (in normal trade deals) and both played in premiership sides (Wilson 92, 94 & Harding 92).

The following West Australians (off the top of my head) were playing for other VFL sides in 1987:

Jim Krakouer, Phil Krakouer, Mike Richardson, Michael Christian, Craig Starcevich, John Ironmonger, Wayne Henwood, Craig Holden, Simon Beasley, Phil Cronan, Andrew Purser, Murray Rance, Warren Dean, Earl Spalding, Alan Johnson, Steve Turner, Nicky Winmar, Jon Dorotich, Bill Duckworth, Ken Judge, Ken Hunter, Richard Dennis etc

So apart from those 22 and the 12 from our SOO side of 86 (thats 34 players by the way) West Coasts initial list of 37 was a state side

In case some arent across history, the Eagles commenced with a list of 37 players v existing VFL sides which had 52. It is true that we had first choice of WAFL players at the end of 1986 but this was only after the other sides had delayed the entry of the Eagles so that players including Wilson, Sartori, Dennis, Winmar, Bairstow, Mitchell, Spalding, Christian, Starcevich and Dean, were first signed by VFL teams before the Eagles were granted a licence. So we got the best 37 players from the WAFL after the best 10 from 1986 were already signed up by Vic clubs. Given that 10 players from WA would be a good number in the annual draft, the balance were essentially the leftovers, late round picks if you like.

At the end of 1987, we did not participate in the draft but instead again got unrestricted access to the WAFL. The same WAFL that in the previous season had 47 players taken from it i.e. there wasnt much left.

At the end of 1988, the Eagles got 5 priority picks (again WAFL only) and then took place in a draft that was compromised in that all the other clubs could only take 1 player each from the WAFL (huge concession )

In 1989, we were down to 2 pre-draft selections (compare this with Brisbane's 6 and Sydneys 4). Again, all teams were then restricted to one WAFL player, this resulted in the unusual situation of 6 of the first 9 picks being from WA. West Coast with its normal first round pick at 4 (based on finsihing 4th last in 1988) got Matera. Then players such as Brad Rowe, Mark Brayshaw, Stephen Edgar, Brad Tunbridge, Dale Kickett, Ben Allan, Gavin Rose, Peter Cransberg & Dennis Repacholi were picked up before West Coast got Tony Evans (64), Brett Heady (92), Dean Kemp (117).... So every club passed on those 3. No concession at all.

1990, West Coast got 2 pre-draft picks, again, Sydney got 6 and Brisbane 5.

The Eagles pre-draft picks and the concessions on WAFL picks (one per club) were to compensate for the Eagles having a smaller list than other clubs (15 players less) and to allow that list to be lifted up over a 5 year period to limit damage that would be inflicted on the WAFL if they had just allowed 50 in year one + unlimited drafts thereafter. It wasnt a concession as such, it was a drip system to allow us to build our list to the same size as other clubs over an extended period and limit WAFL damage. The Eagles last pre-draft pick was in 1991. Remember, these picks werent the number 1 pick in Australia but rather the best player in WA from a comp that had been decimated - and has never recovered.

The Eagles skill/luck in its first 5 years was that the predatory behaviour pre West Coast of VFL clubs and the delay in its introduction in 1986, forced them to take on a ton of unproven kids. This was extended over a 5 year period by the list size restriction which was dealt with by given us priority access to a couple of WAFL players each year for 4 years. Basically, we were forced into a situation of picking up the best kids in WA over a 4 year period which just happened to coincide with the best WA Under 18 side in history. We inadvertently stumbled on the recipe for building a good side - draft as many talented kids as possible in a short time frame. We were assisted in this by the abject amateurism of VFL sides re the draft at that stage that saw them overlook some talented kids. I mean 3 guys got drafted ahead of Matera and every club overlooked Kemp & Heady all in the one draft.

West Coast of the early 90's was a great side because it drafted lots of kids and came up with the formula that works in the draft era.

We were nowhere near gifted a state side. A state side was the 35+ gun WA players running around for other sides in 1987.

I mean imagine is we had started with a real state side:

Leon Baker, Maurice Rioli, Gary Buckenara, Phil Krakouer, Jim Krakouer, Nicky Winmar, Brad Hardie, Simon Beasley, Earl Spalding, Peter Sartori, Andrew Purser, Ken Hunter, Wayne Blackwell, Mark Bairstow, Rod Lester-Smith, Jon Dorotich, Bill Duckworth, Michael Christian, Michael Mitchell, etc

Then you would have had something to whinge about!

 

[DanWA]

So it was raided in 87 but not in 95?

You know they can’t raid new kids coming into the system right? And six years of concession is more than 2?

8 WAFL clubs is more than 4?

National Draft is the National Draft

They can and they did, it was stopped by the time Cockburn come in with their swag of concessions and player access

Such a shame Cockburn made poor choices. I still think the biggest mistake was being born of the Soufs. Probably where the battle syndrome come from to

Why are you still in hiding from the Longmanure and all things Cockburn thread? Bit ashamed are we?

 

[Purple Suit]

This pretty much sums it up for ya


A WA state side?

In 1986 the WA State of Origin side played Victoria in July.

Of the 22 in that side, the following players were on the Eagles list at the start of 1987:

Geoff Miles, Shane Ellis, Dean Laidley, Ross Glendinning, Peter Davidson, Phil Narkle, Andrew MacNish, Laurie Keene, Dwayne Lamb, Colin Waterson. Thats 10.

The 12 players who werent on our list were Brad Hardie, Rod Lester-Smith, Leon Baker, Gary Buckenara, Peter Sartori, Peter Wilson, Brian Peake, Maurice Rioli, Michael Mitchell, Wayne Blackwell, Paul Harding, Mark Bairstow.

In other words the Eagles got the fringe players left after the VFL teams took the cream.

Of those 10 players, precisely one played in a Premiership for West Coast (Dwayne Lamb). 2 of the players who went to Victoria were subsequently traded back to West Coast (in normal trade deals) and both played in premiership sides (Wilson 92, 94 & Harding 92).

The following West Australians (off the top of my head) were playing for other VFL sides in 1987:

Jim Krakouer, Phil Krakouer, Mike Richardson, Michael Christian, Craig Starcevich, John Ironmonger, Wayne Henwood, Craig Holden, Simon Beasley, Phil Cronan, Andrew Purser, Murray Rance, Warren Dean, Earl Spalding, Alan Johnson, Steve Turner, Nicky Winmar, Jon Dorotich, Bill Duckworth, Ken Judge, Ken Hunter, Richard Dennis etc

So apart from those 22 and the 12 from our SOO side of 86 (thats 34 players by the way) West Coasts initial list of 37 was a state side

In case some arent across history, the Eagles commenced with a list of 37 players v existing VFL sides which had 52. It is true that we had first choice of WAFL players at the end of 1986 but this was only after the other sides had delayed the entry of the Eagles so that players including Wilson, Sartori, Dennis, Winmar, Bairstow, Mitchell, Spalding, Christian, Starcevich and Dean, were first signed by VFL teams before the Eagles were granted a licence. So we got the best 37 players from the WAFL after the best 10 from 1986 were already signed up by Vic clubs. Given that 10 players from WA would be a good number in the annual draft, the balance were essentially the leftovers, late round picks if you like.

At the end of 1987, we did not participate in the draft but instead again got unrestricted access to the WAFL. The same WAFL that in the previous season had 47 players taken from it i.e. there wasnt much left.

At the end of 1988, the Eagles got 5 priority picks (again WAFL only) and then took place in a draft that was compromised in that all the other clubs could only take 1 player each from the WAFL (huge concession )

In 1989, we were down to 2 pre-draft selections (compare this with Brisbane's 6 and Sydneys 4). Again, all teams were then restricted to one WAFL player, this resulted in the unusual situation of 6 of the first 9 picks being from WA. West Coast with its normal first round pick at 4 (based on finsihing 4th last in 1988) got Matera. Then players such as Brad Rowe, Mark Brayshaw, Stephen Edgar, Brad Tunbridge, Dale Kickett, Ben Allan, Gavin Rose, Peter Cransberg & Dennis Repacholi were picked up before West Coast got Tony Evans (64), Brett Heady (92), Dean Kemp (117).... So every club passed on those 3. No concession at all.

1990, West Coast got 2 pre-draft picks, again, Sydney got 6 and Brisbane 5.

The Eagles pre-draft picks and the concessions on WAFL picks (one per club) were to compensate for the Eagles having a smaller list than other clubs (15 players less) and to allow that list to be lifted up over a 5 year period to limit damage that would be inflicted on the WAFL if they had just allowed 50 in year one + unlimited drafts thereafter. It wasnt a concession as such, it was a drip system to allow us to build our list to the same size as other clubs over an extended period and limit WAFL damage. The Eagles last pre-draft pick was in 1991. Remember, these picks werent the number 1 pick in Australia but rather the best player in WA from a comp that had been decimated - and has never recovered.

The Eagles skill/luck in its first 5 years was that the predatory behaviour pre West Coast of VFL clubs and the delay in its introduction in 1986, forced them to take on a ton of unproven kids. This was extended over a 5 year period by the list size restriction which was dealt with by given us priority access to a couple of WAFL players each year for 4 years. Basically, we were forced into a situation of picking up the best kids in WA over a 4 year period which just happened to coincide with the best WA Under 18 side in history. We inadvertently stumbled on the recipe for building a good side - draft as many talented kids as possible in a short time frame. We were assisted in this by the abject amateurism of VFL sides re the draft at that stage that saw them overlook some talented kids. I mean 3 guys got drafted ahead of Matera and every club overlooked Kemp & Heady all in the one draft.

West Coast of the early 90's was a great side because it drafted lots of kids and came up with the formula that works in the draft era.

We were nowhere near gifted a state side. A state side was the 35+ gun WA players running around for other sides in 1987.

I mean imagine is we had started with a real state side:

Leon Baker, Maurice Rioli, Gary Buckenara, Phil Krakouer, Jim Krakouer, Nicky Winmar, Brad Hardie, Simon Beasley, Earl Spalding, Peter Sartori, Andrew Purser, Ken Hunter, Wayne Blackwell, Mark Bairstow, Rod Lester-Smith, Jon Dorotich, Bill Duckworth, Michael Christian, Michael Mitchell, etc

Then you would have had something to whinge about!

Wow, logged onto your Benny for cut & paste back up. You grew a state side from WAFL access to the whole state. Not by starting with the actual state side. How hard it must have been to not get the actual state side in 87.

Dan is the only person I have seen saying Freo had better concessions. Lies or delusions, take your pick.