Corona virus, Port and the AFL. Part 2.

[Andre]

We have zero chance of a rolling two week average of less than 5 by October 19.

Yep. Still plenty of unknown origin one's. Combine that with idiots flooding beaches and other open areas now 'as the numbers are low' and it's all too easy to see a larger then allowed gathering again blowing numbers out. Victoria is the USA of Australia when it comes to COVID

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

They found the person who gave the Port parents the tick of approval to enter SA.

SA Health intensive care medico Dr Evan Everest gave Port Adelaide families SA travel exemptions

One of the state’s deputy chief public health officers signed off on the “inappropriate decision” to grant relatives of Port Adelaide players special permission to travel from coronavirus hotspot Victoria. Government documents identify leading intensive care medico Dr Evan Everest as the senior SA Health bureaucrat who signed off exemption forms for the 11 interstate-based families.

Dr Everest, who became deputy to chief public health officer Professor Nicola Spurrier at the pandemic’s peak, has been counselled over his mistake.
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The external review, undertaken by the Department of Premier and Cabinet, is investigating whether a template was used that contained Dr Everest’s “generic signature”. While SA Health refused to say if any other public servant was involved, multiple sources alleged it was Dr Everest’s decision.

Dr Everest, a former deputy state controller and Flinders Medical Centre senior intensive care consultant, remains on the exemptions committee.

Mr Marshall, who has publicly apologised for the “error of judgment”, has promised to publish the review, which he said was expected to be complete “within days”. Dr Everest, who has been credited with overseeing critical decisions during the coronavirus fight, did not return calls or respond to messages. SA Health refused to answer a series of written questions while Prof Spurrier and SA Health’s boss Dr Chris McGowan were unavailable for comment.
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While Mr Wade would not comment about the row, he praised Dr Everest’s work that has included overseeing clinical systems, ICU surge capacity and elective surgery rescheduling. “Evan Everest is a key member of our public health team who have been working long hours in a stressful environment for more than seven months,” he said. “His service has been key to protecting the people of South Australia from COVID-19, particularly his work getting the hospital network ready.”

Prof Spurrier, who was visibly angry when revealing the “very disappointing” decision at Parliament, has since said “this is not about a witch hunt, this is about improving our processes”.

In a Flinders University lecture last week she described how the department had faced incidents that could shake public confidence including the Port “doozy”. “That’s my life at the moment sitting on this exemption committee looking at all the requests for people wanting to come to South Australia from Victoria and it is quite heartbreaking,” she said in her Chalmers Oration address.

Prof Spurrier has said no other similar type of exemptions have been granted. She has since rejoined the exemptions committee. No blame has been apportioned to any of the families or the Power, which had no involvement in the process.
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OUR QUESTIONS SA HEALTH REFUSED TO ANSWER
Did Dr Everest sign off on the decision and/ or approve it?
Did a more junior member of the process make the decision?
Is Dr Everest co-operating with the DPC review that is being undertaken? Has he been interviewed as part of this process?
Has any other staff member been interviewed as being part of the approval process?
Can you confirm that Dr Everest is still in charge of SA Health’s exemption process?
Would Dr Everest care to explain the process and his role in it?
Why is SA Health using any type of “pro forma” document in this process?
Are either Dr McGowan or Professor Spurrier available to discuss this?

 

[Interstater]

Even the most one-eyed Crows supporter would stop and have a good think about staging a witch hunt on someone of such importance to the state.

Lets hope that our media can grow up and move on.

 

[OneGreatClub]

A remarkable recovery, at death's door on Friday, a 'Thank You America Parade' on Sunday, going home on Monday...

'Maybe I'm immune': Trump tells Americans not to let COVID-19 'dominate' them

US President Donald Trump leaves the Walter Reed Medical Center where he had been receiving treatment for COVID-19 for the past three days.

www.abc.net.au

If it happened in Australia the White House would be cleared, all personnel would be quarantined and the place sanitised from top to bottom. Not in America though. The FLOTUS aka Melania Trump will continue to rest at home which of course is the White House.

Meanwhile in the United States of Dumb those who work in the White House keep dropping like flies.

White House press secretary Kayleigh McEnany tests positive for COVID-19

White House press secretary Kayleigh McEnany tests positive for COVID-19. She has addressed the media several times in recent days without wearing a mask.

www.abc.net.au

Once again the US President ignores the fact that 209,000 US citizens have died from COVID-19...

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So the message is, if you catch COVID don't worry just book yourself into the Walter Reed Medical Centre and hit up on some million dollar treatments like I did. Yeah right Donald, I am sure every black, homeless person living on the streets of New York City will take your advice.

Disgusting. I have never seen a leader with less leadership qualities than that narcissistic sociopath.

 

[OneGreatClub]

They found the person who gave the Port parents the tick of approval to enter SA.

SA Health intensive care medico Dr Evan Everest gave Port Adelaide families SA travel exemptions

One of the state’s deputy chief public health officers signed off on the “inappropriate decision” to grant relatives of Port Adelaide players special permission to travel from coronavirus hotspot Victoria. Government documents identify leading intensive care medico Dr Evan Everest as the senior SA Health bureaucrat who signed off exemption forms for the 11 interstate-based families.

Dr Everest, who became deputy to chief public health officer Professor Nicola Spurrier at the pandemic’s peak, has been counselled over his mistake.
..........


The external review, undertaken by the Department of Premier and Cabinet, is investigating whether a template was used that contained Dr Everest’s “generic signature”. While SA Health refused to say if any other public servant was involved, multiple sources alleged it was Dr Everest’s decision.

Dr Everest, a former deputy state controller and Flinders Medical Centre senior intensive care consultant, remains on the exemptions committee.

Mr Marshall, who has publicly apologised for the “error of judgment”, has promised to publish the review, which he said was expected to be complete “within days”. Dr Everest, who has been credited with overseeing critical decisions during the coronavirus fight, did not return calls or respond to messages. SA Health refused to answer a series of written questions while Prof Spurrier and SA Health’s boss Dr Chris McGowan were unavailable for comment.
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While Mr Wade would not comment about the row, he praised Dr Everest’s work that has included overseeing clinical systems, ICU surge capacity and elective surgery rescheduling. “Evan Everest is a key member of our public health team who have been working long hours in a stressful environment for more than seven months,” he said. “His service has been key to protecting the people of South Australia from COVID-19, particularly his work getting the hospital network ready.”

Prof Spurrier, who was visibly angry when revealing the “very disappointing” decision at Parliament, has since said “this is not about a witch hunt, this is about improving our processes”.

In a Flinders University lecture last week she described how the department had faced incidents that could shake public confidence including the Port “doozy”. “That’s my life at the moment sitting on this exemption committee looking at all the requests for people wanting to come to South Australia from Victoria and it is quite heartbreaking,” she said in her Chalmers Oration address.

Prof Spurrier has said no other similar type of exemptions have been granted. She has since rejoined the exemptions committee. No blame has been apportioned to any of the families or the Power, which had no involvement in the process.
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OUR QUESTIONS SA HEALTH REFUSED TO ANSWER
Did Dr Everest sign off on the decision and/ or approve it?
Did a more junior member of the process make the decision?
Is Dr Everest co-operating with the DPC review that is being undertaken? Has he been interviewed as part of this process?
Has any other staff member been interviewed as being part of the approval process?
Can you confirm that Dr Everest is still in charge of SA Health’s exemption process?
Would Dr Everest care to explain the process and his role in it?
Why is SA Health using any type of “pro forma” document in this process?
Are either Dr McGowan or Professor Spurrier available to discuss this?

Talk about mountain out of a molehill.
This is getting as much attention as the Ruby Princess and Victorian Hotel quarantine scandals combined lol

 

[Cam1870]

What part haven't they taken seriously? Now it looks like Trumps going to be fine within days due to therapeutics which he has touted as the answer before the vaccine if there ever is one, what of your argument then? That bolsters Trumps argument and his strategy of dealing with it and getting on with life. Putting Democrat Hoax in quotes doesn't make it accurate because it's simply not what was said. Much like the UV thing but hey, good to see the TDS has a bigger spread and higher viral load than COVID-19 could ever have.

If only everyone had access to a personal 24hr medical staff and access to remdesivir, monoclonal antibodies and dexamethasone that are otherwise reserved for the worst and most advanced cases (if you're lucky enough to have any of these available). Maybe they just didn't pull themselves up by their bootstraps.
F this fascist and every idiot who still supports him

 

[raptalia]

The COVID Budget is in. Now to pay for it all.

South Australia stung with 'massive' $1.3 billion GST write-down in Federal Budget

South Australia's forecast GST revenue for the 2020-21 financial year is dealt a blow of more than $1.3 billion in the Federal Budget as a result of the coronavirus pandemic.

www.abc.net.au

The treasurer mentioned 'jobs' 37 times in his budget speech but he never once mentioned 'careers'.

This budget is 'all about jobs', but there's a catch for the unemployed

The Government is placing a huge focus on getting people back into work, but there's little quality control on what jobs will be offered and no assurance that those who miss out won't be left in poverty, writes Michael Janda.

www.abc.net.au

Credit where it is due the Government had to spend to stimulate the economy and it is good there is a focus on job creation but there will be a cost as there always is. Hopefully the local markets will respond.

 

[raptalia]

Doctors are now reporting that Donald Trump is symptom free. I suspect that shares in certain drug companies will skyrocket.

White House physician says Trump reporting ‘no symptoms’ of COVID-19

White House physician Sean Conley said Tuesday that President Trump is reporting “no symptoms” after being discharged from Walter Reed National Military Medical Center during his treatment for the …

thehill.com

Apparently Facebook removed Trump's post that COVID was no worse than flu.

Facebook removes Trump post falsely saying COVID-19 is less deadly than the flu

Trump was diagnosed with COVID-19 last week.

www.theverge.com

 

[EskimoPAFC]

Disgusting. I have never seen a leader with less leadership qualities than that narcissistic sociopath.

 

[Interstater]

The COVID Budget is in. Now to pay for it all.

South Australia stung with 'massive' $1.3 billion GST write-down in Federal Budget

South Australia's forecast GST revenue for the 2020-21 financial year is dealt a blow of more than $1.3 billion in the Federal Budget as a result of the coronavirus pandemic.

www.abc.net.au

The treasurer mentioned 'jobs' 37 times in his budget speech but he never once mentioned 'careers'.

This budget is 'all about jobs', but there's a catch for the unemployed

The Government is placing a huge focus on getting people back into work, but there's little quality control on what jobs will be offered and no assurance that those who miss out won't be left in poverty, writes Michael Janda.

www.abc.net.au

Credit where it is due the Government had to spend to stimulate the economy and it is good there is a focus on job creation but there will be a cost as there always is. Hopefully the local markets will respond.

Overall very happy with the budget, the focus needs to be getting under 35's into work.

Those of us well over 35 will benefit also as the strategy they have adopted will restore share prices and strengthen businesses, allowing gains in the value of superannuation and share dividends for the near to retirement and self funded retirees. That doesn't seem to have been mentioned by any of the commentators. I'd rather my super increase by 30% over the next 5 years rather than drop by 50%. Getting younger people into work will also drive property prices allowing us old farts to downsize while still getting a reasonable benefit from the exercise to fund our own retirements.

 

[raptalia]

Overall very happy with the budget, the focus needs to be getting under 35's into work.

Those of us well over 35 will benefit also as the strategy they have adopted will restore share prices and strengthen businesses, allowing gains in the value of superannuation and share dividends for the near to retirement and self funded retirees. That doesn't seem to have been mentioned by any of the commentators. I'd rather my super increase by 30% over the next 5 years rather than drop by 50%. Getting younger people into work will also drive property prices allowing us old farts to downsize while still getting a reasonable benefit from the exercise to fund our own retirements.

Yes, when I downsize, which is looking likely in the next few years, I would like to be allowed to roll any excess funds into my super pension fund. Bank interest is stuff all so I might as well get the benefit of any surplus via my super. Obviously super took a hit with the contraction of the markets due to COVID but in the long term super returns a better dividend than bank interest.

There has been some easing of the work requirement rules re rolling funds into superannuation but unfortunately it does not apply to everyone.

 

[Interstater]

Yes, when I downsize, which is looking likely in the next few years, I would like to be allowed to roll any excess funds into my super pension fund. Bank interest is stuff all so I might as well get the benefit of any surplus via my super. Obviously super took a hit with the contraction of the markets due to COVID but in the long term super returns a better dividend than bank interest.

There has been some easing of the work requirement rules re rolling funds into superannuation but unfortunately it does not apply to everyone.

Yeh that would be good and is something I need to investigate soon.
cheers

 

[OneGreatClub]

 

[Forzaport]

Here's some useful information about what separates a pandemic from a seasonal flu. The article uses Swine Flu as an example of how a virus that causes a pandemic can transition into a seasonal flu, which is the most likely pathway for COVID-19.

How do pandemics usually end? And how will this one finish?

Also, if the WHO is in the ball park with their claim that up to 10% of the global population has already been infected with COVID-19, it is likely that COVID-19 will lose its pandemic status sooner rather than later because of increasing immunity and high number of asymptomatic cases, and that's before factoring in the impact of an immunity boosting vaccine.

World Health Organization expert Mike Ryan warns ten per cent of global population may have contracted COVID-19

Finally, with the above info, it remains likely that COVID-19 is circulating undetected in the population, so expecting a state such as NSW to go 28 days without a community transmission is bordering on fantastical. If SA kept the 28-day rule, borders to NSW would still be closed today.

Berejiklian says it's 'unrealistic' NSW will go 28 days without community transmission

 

[pastmyprimus]

6 news cases and 2 deaths are the latest figures for Victoria.

Both the 14-day average and the number of community tranmission cases over the previous two weeks need to be fewer than 5 before restrictions are eased on 19 October. The start date for the 14 day period ending 19 October is 6 October. The average over the 2 days between 6 and 7 October is 9.5. So to hit the target of under 5, Vic will need to average 4.25 new cases per day until 19 October.

That's achievable but tough. But Andrews' has said restrictions could be eased even if the targets haven't been hit by 19 October 19. Eg, if the new cases were in aged care and health workers - in situations where the cases are being well managed.

 

[raptalia]

NSW has had 3 cases today, all fly ins but media reports are that 3 local cases have been detected this morning. Disappointing if true.

 

[StrappingTape]

Here's some useful information about what separates a pandemic from a seasonal flu. The article uses Swine Flu as an example of how a virus that causes a pandemic can transition into a seasonal flu, which is the most likely pathway for COVID-19.

How do pandemics usually end? And how will this one finish?

Also, if the WHO is in the ball park with their claim that up to 10% of the global population has already been infected with COVID-19, it is likely that COVID-19 will lose its pandemic status sooner rather than later because of increasing immunity and high number of asymptomatic cases, and that's before factoring in the impact of an immunity boosting vaccine.

World Health Organization expert Mike Ryan warns ten per cent of global population may have contracted COVID-19

Finally, with the above info, it remains likely that COVID-19 is circulating undetected in the population, so expecting a state such as NSW to go 28 days without a community transmission is bordering on fantastical. If SA kept the 28-day rule, borders to NSW would still be closed today.

Berejiklian says it's 'unrealistic' NSW will go 28 days without community transmission

Don't worry, the under 35's are gonna get jobs thanks to the budget and they can start to pay off the what 250mil debt per COVID death. Some real economic wonder ****s in this thread.

 

[raptalia]

From the article below a fully tested vaccine is probably another nine months away.

Wondering when we can expect a coronavirus vaccine? Here's the latest

Whether you're worried about the economy or when you'll next be able to see your family in person, you're probably wondering when a coronavirus vaccine will be ready. These are the latest developments.

www.abc.net.au

'Vaccines must demonstrate at least 50 per cent efficacy — meaning there has to be at least twice as many infections among trial volunteers who got a placebo than in the vaccine group.'

and I thought the idea of a vaccine was that you didn't get the virus? If you have a trial of 10,000 people and divide the group 50/50 then 2,000 of the placebo group contract the virus while only 1,000 of the vaccinated group are infected the vaccine passes. That means 1,000 out of 5,000 who got the vaccine have still been infected. Unless I have something horribly wrong it means a vaccine with a 1:5 infection rate still passes. There has to be more to it that that.

On those figures a vaccine will greatly reduce the infection rate and the death rate but will not eradicate the virus altogether.

 

[Ford Fairlane]

Do you think the tiser will go as hard at SA Health for the name of the bureaucrat who approved the opening of borders with NSW as they did for the Port families?

 

[raptalia]

What has happened with the NSW border?

 

[Capital Power]

What has happened with the NSW border?

I *think* it means you can now travel from wider Vic/NSW border areas into SA. Must admit I didn't really understand what had changed, but from my perspective I think i can now drive to SA via Mildura without quarantine, so might yet be able to make the prelim.

 

[raptalia]

I *think* it means you can now travel from wider Vic/NSW border areas into SA. Must admit I didn't really understand what had changed, but from my perspective I think i can now drive to SA via Mildura without quarantine, so might yet be able to make the prelim.

NSW has exploded again. 12 cases today but only 4 are fly ins. We were notified about 3 of them yesterday morning so it looks like they found another 5 in the afternoon testing. If this continues I think the NSW border might be getting closed again.

NSW did ramp up the testing yesterday so this probably shows there is still a bit of the virus hanging around in NSW and they will only find it if they really go looking for it.

If you are coming to SA via Mildura I would be checking it out and moving ASAP.

 

[PAFC66]

NSW has exploded again. 12 cases today but only 4 are fly ins. We were notified about 3 of them yesterday morning so it looks like they found another 5 in the afternoon testing. If this continues I think the NSW border might be getting closed again.

NSW did ramp up the testing yesterday so this probably shows there is still a bit of the virus hanging around in NSW and they will only find it if they really go looking for it.

If you are coming to SA via Mildura I would be checking it out and moving ASAP.

If our plan is now eradication all of the sudden then close the borders untill there's a vaccine.

 

[Ford Fairlane]

I *think* it means you can now travel from wider Vic/NSW border areas into SA. Must admit I didn't really understand what had changed, but from my perspective I think i can now drive to SA via Mildura without quarantine, so might yet be able to make the prelim.

Not just the border areas, SA opened its borders to all of NSW on 24 September as long as you hadn't been in Victoria in the previous 14 days.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09...lia opened its borders,work or to do shopping.

This is despite NSW not having had even one 14 day cycle of being free of locally acquired infections. Queensland wants two cycles before they open up to NSW.

Now we are seeing a surge in locally acquired cases in NSW. SA Health put out a public warning yesterday for anyone who had arrived from NSW and been in at-risk areas to quarantine themselves immediately. But this is apparently a far lesser risk than some Port family members being duly processed for entry to SA to watch their sons play finals.

Basically lick-spittle Marshall was so desperate to toady to his PM that he was willing to ignore health advice about Covid safety. Where's the outrage now?

 

[raptalia]

Annastacia Palaszczuk is already making noises about borders ...

Albanese says Federal Budget 'reduces women to a footnote'

Opposition Leader Anthony Albanese says the Coalition Government's budget has "no plan for child care, aged care or social housing", singling out women and over-35s as those who have been "left behind".

www.abc.net.au

It will be interesting to see if Marshall and Spurrier reconsider the SA/NSW border.


Meanwhile Gladys is not happy with some small business operators in NSW.

'I have no patience anymore': NSW Premier blasts sloppy venues as new COVID cases confirmed

Diners at an eastern suburbs restaurant are warned they may have been exposed to COVID-19 as NSW health authorities conduct contact tracing for eight locally acquired coronavirus cases.

www.abc.net.au

One of the latest NSW cases is a student at Macquarie University.