Corona virus, Port and the AFL. Part 2.

[TeeKray]

If the AFL community is vaccinated by say June

Wouldn't that mean if hub up and get the first half of the season done they can all be back to "normal" by the second half of the year or am I missing something?

It's all just too hard to gauge. When will vaccinations be completed? Will the AFL be able to skip the queue on vaccinations? What does 'covid vaccine normal' look like in terms of border closures and lockdowns? Too many questions, not enough answers.

 

[davesnothere]

It's all just too hard to gauge. When will vaccinations be completed? Will the AFL be able to skip the queue on vaccinations? What does 'covid vaccine normal' look like in terms of border closures and lockdowns? Too many questions, not enough answers.

Not a snowballs chance in hell of the AFL skipping the queue on vaccines. The fall out politically way way way too great.

 

[Jonts]

Not a snowballs chance in hell of the AFL skipping the queue on vaccines. The fall out politically way way way too great.

There's skipping the que - beating doctors, healthcare workers, elderly and aged care workers


And skipping the que - beating John the plumber around the corner

 

[El Zorro]

There's skipping the que - beating doctors, healthcare workers, elderly and aged care workers


And skipping the que - beating John the plumber around the corner

You are right, it would be a lot more logical for tradies to be vaccinated before sportspeople. After all, tradies have a useful role in society.

 

[raptalia]

QR codes will not be mandatory in WA supermarkets and food and beverage outlets until February 12th.

Western Australia expands mandatory SafeWA QR code COVID-19 register

From February 12, retail venues such as supermarkets and shopping centres, public and private hospitals, and takeaway food and beverage services will be required to register patrons using the SafeWA QR code.

www.zdnet.com

On the subject of second jobs for Hotel Staff Mark McGowan was quizzed as to why lessons had not been learned from Victoria, where the hotel quarantine inquiry revealed security guards working other jobs was a serious flaw in its system. This is what he had to say,

"Working up the protocols around second jobs for security or cleaners or those sorts of things is difficult, because policing it and making sure people don't do a second job is hard, but that's the work that has been going on now for a considerable period of time. It's not easy and all the states have struggled with this."

So it is in the 'too hard' basket and in any case the other states are struggling to enforce a one job rule so that let's the WA Government off the hook. Just because it is hard doesn't mean you should not try Mark. What was it JFK said? Something about we choose to go to the moon not because it is easy but because it is hard.

The facts seem to suggest that Western Australia is months behind the other States in it's COVID safe strategy and has put too much faith in slamming the borders shut every time a local infection is reported interstate. I think Mark McGowan has been shown up by this incident and hopefully he takes it as a wake up call.

Scott Morrison should also be getting his act together and leading the States toward a cohesive and consistent policy on Hotel Quarantine. Bringing Australians back home is his baby and he should be ensuring that all Australians are kept safe while he is doing it. In fact at his press conference today Mark McGowan referred to the Commonwealth's obligations under section 51 of the Constitution. He said international quarantine was a Federal responsibility but they had handed it to the States.

WA enters first full day of COVID lockdown as contact tracing system ramps up

Western Australia's contact tracing capabilities are being tested for the first time after a hotel quarantine security guard returned a positive COVID-19 result, sparking a five-day shutdown of the state's most populous regions.

www.abc.net.au

I am not a West Australians but I know how a good many of them feel as back in November, as a South Australian, I also felt let down by a State Government that was running a Hotel quarantine system full of holes. There is no proactive stance in any of this, they sit on their hands, ignore advice and wait until something happens before they plug the holes while telling us all what a great job they are doing.

 

[Ray Nolan]

Wife and daughter booked flights and accommodation for a trip to Perth yesterday.
Not leaving until the 16th though, fingers crossed they get this sorted.

My missus flew there for a week on Saturday. Now has to do 2 weeks quarantine when she gets back.

Normally I would be laughing my arse off at seeing that smug prick McGowan being brought undone through his arrogance, hubris, failure to get their QR codes widespread and failure to learn the lessons from other states problems with hotel quarantine. Instead I'm busy arranging a place for my wife to quarantine and stocking it up for her.

 

[davesnothere]

You are right, it would be a lot more logical for tradies to be vaccinated before sportspeople. After all, tradies have a useful role in society.

Just anyone. People have families they are responsible for and nobody amongst the healthy is a superior being. Just couldn’t happen in Australia and get away with it.

On the other hand if we fed them sugar for a month type 2 diabetes would push them up the list[emoji848]

 

[Chewy316]

One of our assistants at work flew back from Perth last Wednesday morning. The cut off for not having to isolate was last Tuesday night, so now our work is gonna have to juggle things around being one team member down.

Just glad that we weren't deemed as close contacts via SA Health and thus our business can remain open.

 

[raptalia]

I think the the Crows AFLW team played in Perth yesterday does this mean they will have to do two weeks in isolation?

The answer to my question is yes. Not only do the AFLW girls have to isolate but Matthew Clarke, Tom Lynch and Nathan Van Berlo also have to isolate. The Crowquettes next two games have also been postponed til later date.

 

[PAFC66]

Youre living in a fantasy land.

Sustainable? What could be more sustainable than one single case? Even with the majority of people vaccinated, you'll still get more cases than ONE. What are you gonna do, lock the whole state down every time someone tests positive? There's nothing sustainable about this.

When did I ever say locking down a state after one case is sustainable? They won't be locking down entire states even when there's cases if the vast majority of the population is vaccinated.

There's clearly more to the perth story than what is being told just like there was in South Australia.

 

[MaxPowa]

One of our assistants at work flew back from Perth last Wednesday morning. The cut off for not having to isolate was last Tuesday night, so now our work is gonna have to juggle things around being one team member down.

Just glad that we weren't deemed as close contacts via SA Health and thus our business can remain open.

BREAKING NEWS - spirit of Mark McGowan inhabits SA police commissioner! FFS

I thought we were done (apart from WA) with ridiculous all or nothing closures and retrospective iso that doesn't make any health sense, how many times did we see Marshall prattle on about adopting hotspots, restrictions that make sense and are proportional?

We learnt a lot today. We learnt the premier does not run this state and his word is worth jack shit if it doesn't fit the views of the big man in the black police uniform and military style boots. To close off geographically 1/3 of the Australian landmass over one case going far beyond any other state or territory forcing some people into unheard of effectively 19 day quarantine from arrival on the whim of one man is ridiculous.

Did anyone notice that there was no Marshall or Spurrier at the press conference today? What a ****ing **** up putting this unelected wannabe strongman campaigner as the decision maker for SA. The transition committee needs to end now and elected officials need to take responsibility for what we the public elected them to do. What a joke of a state, no better than WA in disproportionate reactions (at least WA is consistent) but at least there it's the elected premier making the decisions!

Imagine being in Kununurra transiting via Darwin to SA and being told you have to isolate due to a single case in Perth (3,000km away). Just wow.

 

[PAFC66]

Except it might take a long long tme at this rate.

The flu mutates every year and vaccines change along with it. Experts mostly predict how it will mutate before it has.

 

[Power Raid]

BREAKING NEWS - spirit of Mark McGowan inhabits SA police commissioner! FFS

I thought we were done (apart from WA) with ridiculous all or nothing closures and retrospective iso that doesn't make any health sense, how many times did we see Marshall prattle on about adopting hotspots, restrictions that make sense and are proportional?

We learnt a lot today. We learnt the premier does not run this state and his word is worth jack sh*t if it doesn't fit the views of the big man in the black police uniform and military style boots. To close off geographically 1/3 of the Australian landmass over one case going far beyond any other state or territory forcing some people into unheard of effectively 19 day quarantine from arrival on the whim of one man is ridiculous.

Did anyone notice that there was no Marshall or Spurrier at the press conference today? What a ******* **** up putting this unelected wannabe strongman campaigner as the decision maker for SA. The transition committee needs to end now and elected officials need to take responsibility for what we the public elected them to so. What a joke of a state, no better than WA in disproportionate reactions (at least WA is consistent) but at least there it's the elected premier making the decisions!

Imagine being in Kununurra transiting via Darwin to SA and being told you have to isolate due to a single case in Perth (3,000km away). Just wow.

just one example where democracy doesn't work

The health department should be put in charge.


FTR when the premier says he listens to health advice. He's not actually taking the health advice, rather he is taking the worst case scenario which is very different to the actual advice.

 

[PAFC66]

Where are all the so called experts the media were quoting saying Gladys needs to lockdown immediately or there will be a Victoria style outbreak? Is it 15 days without a new case now?

Thankfully she finally caved into bringing in masks and luckily the outbreak never got into high density commission housing like it did in Victoria.

Interestingly we never found out about NSW 3 quarantine beaches and how the virus got out of course.

 

[PAFC66]

just one example where democracy doesn't work

The health department should be put in charge.


FTR when the premier says he listens to health advice. He's not actually taking the health advice, rather he is taking the worst case scenario which is very different to the actual advice.

Scomo should be in charge and actually do something instead of leaving it to the premiers to host a shit slinging contest.

There's absolutely no reason why we can't have a national quarantine system in the middle of Australia.

 

[Power Raid]

Scomo should be in charge and actually do something instead of leaving it to the premiers to host a sh*t slinging contest.

There's absolutely no reason why we can't have a national quarantine system in the middle of Australia.

I thought it would have been better to warehouse the incoming at a military base or an islands.

However the decision to host in hotels is all about keeping these operators and employees afloat.

 

[Chewy316]

just one example where democracy doesn't work

The health department should be put in charge.


FTR when the premier says he listens to health advice. He's not actually taking the health advice, rather he is taking the worst case scenario which is very different to the actual advice.

It's quite a turn of events because SA Health have been the most conservative organisation (out of them, SAPOL and the state govt) when they have their meetings. Yet what we are now seeing is the govt and SAPOL are taking that conservative mantle.

Makes no sense for people who were in Perth a week ago, who returned to Adelaide say last Wednesday, to flutter around the city doing their own standard business, and yet they are the only ones required to isolate. No need to worry about where they've gone etc - not necessary apparently according to the authorities. Just get them in isolation regardless and let's disregard the totality of the situation.

 

[Power Raid]

It's quite a turn of events because SA Health have been the most conservative organisation (out of them, SAPOL and the state govt) when they have their meetings. Yet what we are now seeing is the govt and SAPOL are taking that conservative mantle.

Makes no sense for people who were in Perth a week ago, who returned to Adelaide say last Wednesday, to flutter around the city doing their own standard business, and yet they are the only ones required to isolate. No need to worry about where they've gone etc - not necessary apparently according to the authorities. Just get them in isolation regardless and let's disregard the totality of the situation.

from over west it looks like SA has handled the whole covid thing better than the rest of the states

 

[Duck Farmer]

What a ******* **** up putting this unelected wannabe strongman campaigner as the decision maker for SA. The transition committee needs to end now and elected officials need to take responsibility for what we the public elected them to so.

The Emergency Management Act appoints the Commissioner of Police as the State Co-ordinator and grants them the power, amongst other things, to direct a person to remain segregated or isolated from other people to prevent transmission of a disease.

Not saying that Stevens hasn't overstepped the mark but the law gives him the power to do this.

 

[MaxPowa]

The Emergency Management Act appoints the Commissioner of Police as the State Co-ordinator and grants them the power, amongst other things, to direct a person to remain segregated or isolated from other people to prevent transmission of a disease.

Not saying that Stevens hasn't overstepped the mark but the law gives him the power to do this.

Agreed the law has given him that power and it shouldn't. A perpetual state of emergency and functioning democracy historically don't go hand in hand. I think the elected government should be more than capable of handling the situation from here on in given the experience built up in the civil service and agencies.

 

[MaxPowa]

from over west it looks like SA has handled the whole covid thing better than the rest of the states

I would have agreed up until now. This decision is completely out of proportion and far in excess of what other states and territories are doing and well beyond what we did with Qld during their very similar case. The absence of Marshall at the press conference is telling. I also have received direct communication from the premier/ premier's office which, reading between the lines, suggests all is not harmonious in the transition committee (at least regarding this decision).

 

[OneGreatClub]

The flu mutates every year and vaccines change along with it. Experts mostly predict how it will mutate before it has.

Yes that is true but this novel virus will take them longer to sort out, especially as so many new strains developing as it runs rampant. What if spike protein vaccines become less effective against new strains?

 

[raptalia]

It has been confirmed that the positive case in WA has the UK variant.

 

[FishingRick04]

I thought it would have been better to warehouse the incoming at a military base or an islands.

However the decision to host in hotels is all about keeping these operators and employees afloat.

isn’t the Holdens site free?

 

[Duckimus Prime]

I thought it would have been better to warehouse the incoming at a military base or an islands.

However the decision to host in hotels is all about keeping these operators and employees afloat.

Its almost like they want to keep people who have a high likelihood of being sick near medical facilities that have the resources to treat them...