Corona virus, Port and the AFL. Part 2.

[RussellEbertHandball]

SA recorded 3 cases on 29th June from inbound international travellers.

Yesterday SA Health reported 0 active cases after 3 on the 7th, 2 on the 8th. So 10 days for all 3 to recover from relatively mild cases. Last day SA had a person in hospital was 27th May. Person was in hospital for 2 days. Last serious case was 21st May. There was nobody in hospital between 22nd May and 26th inclusive.

SA's last remaining COVID-19 patient leaves Royal Adelaide Hospital

South Australia's last remaining COVID-19 patient leaves the Royal Adelaide Hospital, in what nurses say is a miracle recovery.

www.abc.net.au

Posted ThuThursday 21 MayMay 2020 at 9:28pm
South Australia's last remaining COVID-19 patient has left the Royal Adelaide Hospital, in what nurses say is a miracle recovery.

Paul Faraguna, 68, the first COVID-19 patient to be admitted to intensive care and the last to walk out, was farewelled by staff from the infectious diseases ward with a standing ovation on Thursday afternoon.

 

[Ford Fairlane]

 

[Holden Hillbilly]

Victorian premier Daniel Andrews says 37,588 tests were conducted in the state yesterday
Chief health officer Professor Brett Sutton says the figure of 288 new cases is a “pretty ugly number” and “we may well see it worsen before it gets better”. Specifically, he says case numbers may rise in the next two weeks until lockdown has an effect.
16 people fined $26,000 for a 1 am birthday party.
160 ADF assisting Vicpol from tomorrow.

Andrews hinting lockdown will be more than 6 weeks due to Victorian stupidity.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Singapore is having a national election today. According to Worldometers they have recorded

45,423 Total cases

26 Deaths

41,645 Recovered cases

3,752 Active cases

How Singapore is holding an election during the COVID-19 pandemic;
Face masks, hand sanitizer and gloves are being used at voting stations across Singapore, as citizens arrive to take part in the general election amid the global COVID-19 pandemic. Around 2.65 million people are expected to take part in the election, which will see voters use self-scan identity cards to encourage swift and hygienic vote casting.

 

[raptalia]

This is not good but not unexpected. The real concern is that only 26 cases are linked to known outbreaks and that 262 cases are under investigation. What are the chances of all 262 cases being traced back to known outbreaks and no new outbreaks being identified? The chances are good, I hope.

Within the next few days Victoria will overtake NSW as the State with the highest number of new cases.

 

[Capital Power]

Another new case (total now 5) from the campaigners who came in from Melbourne last week. And this woman went shopping in a major mall on Monday at lunchtime. Terrific.

All five are at least close contacts, and all in their 20s so are more than likely to survive. Doesn't change the fact they are all selfish ****. They have been allowed to self-isolate at home, so yeah I guess they'll perhaps go out less often now .

 

[raptalia]

Scott Morrison has announced that the number of returning travellers will be halved to 4,000 per week. Returning travellers will have to pay for hotel quarantine.

They are not learning...

 

[MotlopRules]

Honestly not to be that person, but this is what I posted way back on April 24th from my hotel in Melbourne:

So I'm into Day 9 of Quarantine, and have just learnt from the Vic authorities that they aren't conducting any kind of checks before we leave on day 14. No covid tests, not even a temperature check. Just voila, open the door and out you go.

To me this makes absolutely no sense, from a scientific point of view. Since I haven't been tested, not even once, from leaving the UK all the way to landing in Australia, how on earth would they know whether I am an asymptomatic carrier or not? And even if I have mild symptoms, they are essentially trusting me to self-report and do the right thing and let them know before I leave, because otherwise how would they know? For the life of me I can't fathom how that is best practice.

I'd welcome the chance to be part of an inquiry into the quarantine process, not to cast blame but because from my perspective there was a lot that could have been done differently, and it's important government officials learn from this process so that the next time a global pandemic occurs (which is really a when, not an if given the global climate) the process is handled a lot more efficiently, rather than simply shifting blame onto returning Australians as though we are in the wrong for wanting to come home.

I remain baffled by the Victorian approach and was sadly not surprised to see it result in a spread of infection.

 

[pastmyprimus]

Andrews in a press conference said he's expecting numbers to get worse in the coming days.

People in hospital and in ICU are already up, but will likely spike further in the next 7 to 14 days.

 

[GranFormaggi]

.....all in their 20s so are more than likely to survive. Doesn't change the fact they are all selfish ****

I totally understand that this would not have been your intention, but SA health do this too. This "we have cases but they are mild" line.

That is all well and good for the people already identified as infected, but provides little guarantee to the people they go infect before they knew they were positive.

With regard to the Vic arrivals to the ACT, parallels can be seen watching the exodus from Victoria before our SA hard border closure. We can only cross our fingers that we don't start to see new outbreaks here in SA too, against a backdrop of relaxed restrictions. Total dependence upon those new arrival's behaviour.

Did the aforementioned ACT arrival breach any "on arrival" quarantine measures in the ACT or didn't ACT have any?

 

[Grave Danger]

Stadium HALF EMPTY for derby

Fremantle have confirmed they’ll provide updated information on derby ticket sales this afternoon after the move to Phase 5 of the coronavirus roadmap was postponed.

www.perthnow.com.au

 

[GranFormaggi]

Honestly not to be that person, but this is what I posted way back on April 24th from my hotel in Melbourne:



I'd welcome the chance to be part of an inquiry into the quarantine process, not to cast blame but because from my perspective there was a lot that could have been done differently, and it's important government officials learn from this process so that the next time a global pandemic occurs (which is really a when, not an if given the global climate) the process is handled a lot more efficiently, rather than simply shifting blame onto returning Australians as though we are in the wrong for wanting to come home.

I remain baffled by the Victorian approach and was sadly not surprised to see it result in a spread of infection.

I think your position and observations are totally reasonable. Our CMO has stated in the days after international arrivals here, that N are positive going into quarantine. Of course those N were breathing in a metal tube with 100's of others for hours, so ongoing testing during the course of quarantine and upon exit is the more important control measure. I think exit testing is happening in SA, but I'd not expect it to be completely fail safe.

I totally support the repatriation of Australian residents, but jeez, you have to wonder about the people involved in the decisions through this crisis, when anyone with half a brain can see the glaring gaps.

 

[FishingRick04]

If the majority of the population is vaccinated and has immunity but a minority of civil libertarians are not it is probably not going to worry those of us who get the jab. It is like measles, anyone who does not want to immunise against it runs the risk of contracting the disease and from then on they are on their own. Their choice their problem.

Yeah well I had the flue shot once and had 4 flu's in a season, never again and never had a flu since.

I'd be very reluctant to get a vaccine for Covid based on my flu jab experience.

It will be interesting to see if US for example or Aus won't allow people to come in if vaccinated.

South Australia bound I could be

 

[Iwish]

Andrews will have no choice he will have to go total italian style lockdown if things continue as they are. Otherwise they will be up to 5000 cases within a couple of weeks. Overseas experience tells us this where the figures are heading

 

[raptalia]

Yeah well I had the flue shot once and had 4 flu's in a season, never again and never had a flu since.

I'd be very reluctant to get a vaccine for Covid based on my flu jab experience.

It will be interesting to see if US for example or Aus won't allow people to come in if vaccinated.

South Australia bound I could be

When and if they do find a vaccine I will hang off for 12 months just to see if there are any side effects and the bloody thing works. I do not trust anything coming out of the US or China atm.

 

[Duckimus Prime]

Yesterday SA Health reported 0 active cases after 3 on the 7th, 2 on the 8th. So 10 days for all 3 to recover from relatively mild cases.

Not 10 days to recover from relatively mild cases, but just that they had recovered 10 days after arrival. Disease could've been contracted weeks before even leaving India so recovery time could've been much longer.

Its kind of a meaningless time period from an arbitrary starting date with regards to the person having the disease.

 

[Duckimus Prime]

Honestly not to be that person, but this is what I posted way back on April 24th from my hotel in Melbourne:

I'd welcome the chance to be part of an inquiry into the quarantine process, not to cast blame but because from my perspective there was a lot that could have been done differently, and it's important government officials learn from this process so that the next time a global pandemic occurs (which is really a when, not an if given the global climate) the process is handled a lot more efficiently, rather than simply shifting blame onto returning Australians as though we are in the wrong for wanting to come home.

I remain baffled by the Victorian approach and was sadly not surprised to see it result in a spread of infection.

On your old comment (that isn't even going to be contained in the quote), there is scientific backing to the length of time for quarantine. Its based on the amount of time a person with the diesease is actually infectious, which is different to the amount of time that someone can actively have the disease. The point is to quarantine someone for longer than the infectious period. Then it means you don't have to test everyone, which is useful when testing resources are limited.

You test people that are showing symptoms so they can get treated, but if people aren't showing symptoms, then they don't need treatment.

When testing resources aren't limited, its better to just test everyone and let them out if they show negative because the actual costs of doing a test is probably significantly less than the cost of quarantining someone in a hotel for 14 days.

 

[Capital Power]

I totally understand that this would not have been your intention, but SA health do this too. This "we have cases but they are mild" line.

That is all well and good for the people already identified as infected, but provides little guarantee to the people they go infect before they knew they were positive.

With regard to the Vic arrivals to the ACT, parallels can be seen watching the exodus from Victoria before our SA hard border closure. We can only cross our fingers that we don't start to see new outbreaks here in SA too, against a backdrop of relaxed restrictions. Total dependence upon those new arrival's behaviour.

Did the aforementioned ACT arrival breach any "on arrival" quarantine measures in the ACT or didn't ACT have any?

We have no quarantine facility. ACT residents returning from Victoria are required to self-isolate at home for 14 days, and notify ACT Health of their whereabouts. Non-residents are denied entry unless they have an exemption and the guidance says "in most cases" such exemptions will also be required to self-isolate. This came into effect on Wednesday 8 July, although there was previous guidance to self-isolate if arriving from Victoria after last Friday 3 July.

This outbreak was caused by two people arriving from Melbourne on the previous day, July 2. They had travelled from a hotspot and could reasonably have been expected to know they were at risk of being infected. But that didn't stop them shopping and socialising. So, technically, they haven't breached any rules. Except the one that says we'd prefer it if people weren't campaigners in this difficult time.

 

[FPPF]

Who could have foreseen allowing thousands of dumb ****s around the country to protest over make believe issues in close proximity, or not enforcing testing and allowing ten thousand idiots to refuse testing on bullshit cultural grounds, would cause outbreaks

 

[FPPF]

We have no quarantine facility. ACT residents returning from Victoria are required to self-isolate at home for 14 days, and notify ACT Health of their whereabouts. Non-residents are denied entry unless they have an exemption and the guidance says "in most cases" such exemptions will also be required to self-isolate. This came into effect on Wednesday 8 July, although there was previous guidance to self-isolate if arriving from Victoria after last Friday 3 July.

This outbreak was caused by two people arriving from Melbourne on the previous day, July 2. They had travelled from a hotspot and could reasonably have been expected to know they were at risk of being infected. But that didn't stop them shopping and socialising. So, technically, they haven't breached any rules. Except the one that says we'd prefer it if people weren't campaigners in this difficult time.

This was caused by allowing a mass gathering of tens of thousands in that moronic protest, and then allowing 10,000~ other morons in "hot spot" suburbs to refuse to be tested. I have quite a few friends in some of those hot spot suburbs, nobody came to test them.

Good going Comrade Dan Andrews, dumb communist wank.

 

[Capital Power]

Yeah there's still too much of this "civil liberties" nonsense being thrown around. Yeah I accept that that's what's separates our society from the authoritarian regimes of both far left and far right persuasions, but there are times when public safety and security trumps that (pun intended).

Nobody baulked in war time and those who did were swiftly dealt with. It didn't cause any long term issues with our freedoms and rights. This is war time, the only difference being we have an enemy we can't shoot.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Not 10 days to recover from relatively mild cases, but just that they had recovered 10 days after arrival. Disease could've been contracted weeks before even leaving India so recovery time could've been much longer.

Its kind of a meaningless time period from an arbitrary starting date with regards to the person having the disease.

They didn't go to hospital in India or in Adelaide - ergo mild cases.

 

[Duckimus Prime]

They didn't go to hospital in India or in Adelaide - ergo mild cases.

My point wasn't about it being mild cases, but about the recovery period being 10 days. It wasn't. It was 10 days + however many days they were fighting off the disease in India.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

My point wasn't about it being mild cases, but about the recovery period being 10 days. It wasn't. It was 10 days + however many days they were fighting off the disease in India.

75% of cases are recovered cases in 16 days of testing positive according to stats I've seen. 80%+ of case are considered mild. That's a fair indication how long mild cases have been in incubation.

 

[raptalia]

This was caused by allowing a mass gathering of tens of thousands in that moronic protest, and then allowing 10,000~ other morons in "hot spot" suburbs to refuse to be tested. I have quite a few friends in some of those hot spot suburbs, nobody came to test them.

Good going Comrade Dan Andrews, dumb communist wank.

The protest was poorly timed and ill advised but it did not cause the current situation. The current situation has been caused by 'ordinary people' not doing the right thing. As an example two major clusters were caused by a staff member at an Islamic College reporting for work while she was exhibiting symptoms. She in turn infected staff members and students and in the end over 100 students and staff members of the College became infected. Some of those students lived in the Flemington and Nth Melbourne towers where another 100 residents were infected. The staff member contracted the virus at an illegal extended family gathering. That is over 200 cases caused by someone who broke the rules not once but twice.

The Cedar Meatworks cluster which had ramifications throughout Melbourne's north west was again caused by an employee reporting for work while suffering symptoms. He was only diagnosed when he was taken to hospital because of an industrial accident and was tested. Again someone who did not follow the rules.

The protest rally did not result in any known clusters. Three people who attended the rally later tested positive but they were not contagious and did not infect anyone at the rally. I do not agree that the rally should have gone ahead but the Victorian Government was never going to stop it.