Corona virus, Port and the AFL. Part 2.

[Vagabond0]

Yeah well I had the flue shot once and had 4 flu's in a season, never again and never had a flu since.

I'd be very reluctant to get a vaccine for Covid based on my flu jab experience.

I always took the flu vaccinations as something that's in the best interests of the vulnerable.

Personally believe if you're young adult, you'd probably better off cutting the excess and loading up on healthy diet / lifestyle which helps boast you're overall immune system.

I dropped 5kgs back in March/April when I thought Covid would run wild, and managed to put it all back on by June once I thought crisis averted

Hoping the numbers as stay low as I like my food and drink

 

[gbear]

Andrews in a press conference said he's expecting numbers to get worse in the coming days.

People in hospital and in ICU are already up, but will likely spike further in the next 7 to 14 days.

What are the current hospital and ICCU figures from today?

 

[gbear]

When and if they do find a vaccine I will hang off for 12 months just to see if there are any side effects and the bloody thing works. I do not trust anything coming out of the US or China atm.

Hopefully there will be multiple vaccines developed, reason being the mass demand and global logistics.

 

[Capital Power]

Grandson pleased as punch to get back to Auskick training. He doesn't understand why the planned season start on the 21st has been postponed - he's too young to understand what a campaigner is.

 

[FPPF]

The protest was poorly timed and ill advised but it did not cause the current situation. The current situation has been caused by 'ordinary people' not doing the right thing.

As an example two major clusters were caused by a staff member at an Islamic College reporting for work while she was exhibiting symptoms. She in turn infected staff members and students and in the end over 100 students and staff members of the College became infected. Some of those students lived in the Flemington and Nth Melbourne towers where another 100 residents were infected. The staff member contracted the virus at an illegal extended family gathering. That is over 200 cases caused by someone who broke the rules not once but twice.

The Cedar Meatworks cluster which had ramifications throughout Melbourne's north west was again caused by an employee reporting for work while suffering symptoms. He was only diagnosed when he was taken to hospital because of an industrial accident and was tested. Again someone who did not follow the rules.

The protest rally did not result in any known clusters. Three people who attended the rally later tested positive but they were not contagious and did not infect anyone at the rally. I do not agree that the rally should have gone ahead but the Victorian Government was never going to stop it.

lol yeh 1 woman caused all this, but the 40,000 people protesting or 10,000+ refusing testing haven't contributed at all.


How dumb are people in this country.

 

[pastmyprimus]

What are the current hospital and ICCU figures from today?

The Vic figures are 47 in hospital and 12 in ICU. There were 2 recent deaths in ICU.

14 of the new cases are health care workers.

Sadly, Vic's Chief Health Officer is expecting the number of cases to increase in coming days.

 

[LFC2010]

The Vic figures are 47 in hospital and 12 in ICU. There were 2 recent deaths in ICU.

14 of the new cases are health care workers.

Sadly, Vic's Chief Health Officer is expecting the number of cases to increase in coming days.

It'll get well into 4 figures before it starts going south.

The way Vic handled the overseas travellers ISO'ing in hotels was a joke and people need to be held accountable for it.

 

[FPPF]

When and if they do find a vaccine I will hang off for 12 months just to see if there are any side effects and the bloody thing works. I do not trust anything coming out of the US or China atm.

Rather odd position to take when you believe that the current outbreak comes down to one woman as opposed to the tens of thousands who didn't do the right thing a few weeks ago because the government narrative is what it is, but you don't trust any potential vaccine until others have taken it and not dropped dead?
Interesting. Not criticizing you on the vaccine thing, but I just find it odd because it's a little contradictory the mentality from one to the other.

Human trials are starting here in Adelaide for a locally developed vaccine. Would you take that? I think there's one in Queensland as well.

 

[pastmyprimus]

It'll get well into 4 figures before it starts going south.

The way Vic handled the overseas travellers ISO'ing in hotels was a joke and people need to be held accountable for it.

It was a stuff-up

Just shows how infectious this virus is. It only takes a small number of infected people on the loose to cause outbreaks.

 

[OneGreatClub]

It was a stuff-up

Just shows how infectious this virus is. It only takes a small number of infected people on the loose to cause outbreaks.

Like they keep on saying: Complacency is the friend of covid19

 

[FPPF]

It'll get well into 4 figures before it starts going south.

The way Vic handled the overseas travellers ISO'ing in hotels was a joke and people need to be held accountable for it.

The way this whole thing has been handled has been a joke.
From the way they've handled returning overseas travelers to allowing mass protests to allowing people to refuse testing in areas known to have a resurgence of the virus.

Even on our border last night police were overwhelmed with 24,000 people returning to SA, so they let people in without checks. I wouldn't be surprised if there is new cases as a result in SA now, not that they'll ever admit that's the reason why.

The federal government should have taken control. I don't know what laws exist that may or may not allow them to do so, but under the current unprecedented situation I'm sure that they would have been able to pass an emergency law if it was needed to allow the federal government to assume control over borders and intra-state/territory movements and tackling this pandemic overall from a federal perspective instead of each state and territory being left to decide for them selves.

That way, everything from small business to our precious AFL and other codes would have clear guidelines of what needs to be done, when they'll be able to resume and so on.

Small businesses are going to be devastated. If this drags on well into next year, there isn't going to be much left of small business in the aftermath when it's over. Small businesses are the backbone of our economies and in many instances part of the heart and soul of communities across the country. And that's scarier then this nothing virus where 99% survive and most of those don't even know they've got it.

 

[FPPF]

It was a stuff-up

Just shows how infectious this virus is. It only takes a small number of infected people on the loose to cause outbreaks.

Small number?
Or the 40,000+ who protested, and the 10,000~ who refused to be tested?

People believe that all these people have been doing the right thing, but that a few others didn't and now there's a major outbreak again?
It's more probable that many within those tens of thousands above haven't been doing the right thing either.
The outbreak is spread out across the Melbourne metro area. This isn't from one or two small sources, a couple of people, this is from multiple things, be the things others have mentioned and the things I'm mentioning.

They'll never admit though that allowing 10,000 people to refuse testing, and having a protest of 40,000+ has contributed to this outbreak. Political suicide if they did, because that's a major **** up of unprecedented proportions. Not that Comdrade Dan Andrews is going to survive at the next election anyway.

 

[raptalia]

Hopefully there will be multiple vaccines developed, reason being the mass demand and global logistics.

I heard an Oxford researcher talking a couple of nights back and she was saying the fast tracking in the process is not in the clinical trials as corners will not be cut in this process. The fast tracking is that the delivery and distribution process is being worked on at the same time the research and development is being conducted. This way they will be able to get the vaccine to the world as soon as it is approved.

 

[JimmyBC]

 

[chiwigi]

The protest was poorly timed and ill advised but it did not cause the current situation. The current situation has been caused by 'ordinary people' not doing the right thing. As an example two major clusters were caused by a staff member at an Islamic College reporting for work while she was exhibiting symptoms. She in turn infected staff members and students and in the end over 100 students and staff members of the College became infected. Some of those students lived in the Flemington and Nth Melbourne towers where another 100 residents were infected. The staff member contracted the virus at an illegal extended family gathering. That is over 200 cases caused by someone who broke the rules not once but twice.

The Cedar Meatworks cluster which had ramifications throughout Melbourne's north west was again caused by an employee reporting for work while suffering symptoms. He was only diagnosed when he was taken to hospital because of an industrial accident and was tested. Again someone who did not follow the rules.

The protest rally did not result in any known clusters. Three people who attended the rally later tested positive but they were not contagious and did not infect anyone at the rally. I do not agree that the rally should have gone ahead but the Victorian Government was never going to stop it.

Outside, with face masks is not how it spreads. Forcing poor people to work and send their kids to school whilst the politicians socially distance because it’s ‘good for the economy’ IS how it spreads.

Black Lives Matter protests did not cause an uptick in covid-19 cases

Stay-at-home tendencies actually increased

www.economist.com

 

[raptalia]

Rather odd position to take when you believe that the current outbreak comes down to one woman as opposed to the tens of thousands who didn't do the right thing a few weeks ago because the government narrative is what it is, but you don't trust any potential vaccine until others have taken it and not dropped dead?
Interesting. Not criticizing you on the vaccine thing, but I just find it odd because it's a little contradictory the mentality from one to the other.

Human trials are starting here in Adelaide for a locally developed vaccine. Would you take that? I think there's one in Queensland as well.

I didn't post that. I gave examples of how a couple of the major Melbourne clusters probably developed and attempted to show how one person doing the wrong thing can cause a disaster. You are saying the same thing except your example is flawed. The protests did not cause the situation in Melbourne. There were only three positives among the protestors and none of them were contagious. None of the current Melbourne clusters have been directly linked to the BLM rallies.

This article lists the major clusters in Melbourne. While some of the numbers may need up grading the clusters are clearly identified. Nowhere do they mention the BLM rallies.

Everything we know about Melbourne's Covid-19 clusters

Melbourne is undergoing a suburban testing blitz after Victorian premier Daniel Andrews revealed hotspots in suburbs were largely caused by extended families

www.theguardian.com

The articles below will explain the link between the Al-Taqwa College and the Nth Melbourne towers. They also have up to date numbers.

NoCookies | The Australian

www.theaustralian.com.au

Al-Taqwa COVID-19 outbreak linked to Melbourne housing estate

Victorian health authorities have drawn a link between an outbreak of coronavirus across a set of housing commission flats and the state's largest Islamic school.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Black Lives Matter protests did not cause an uptick in covid-19 cases

Stay-at-home tendencies actually increased

www.economist.com

How about you supporting some of your outlandish statements with some hard evidence instead of emotion? You have hauled off and blamed everything on the protests without a shred of evidence to support your case.

As for vaccines there are actually 19 of them under trial atm. I didn't post that I would not be vaccinated simply that I will wait 12 months before doing so. That is my choice and has absolutely nothing to do with the spread COVID-19 in Melbourne. Vaccines have gone wrong in the past and several have had to be withdrawn so I plan to be safe. The second article below will provide examples of vaccines that have been withdrawn.

If we get a coronavirus vaccine, should it be mandatory?

The WHO last year declared vaccine hesitancy a global concern and amid the coronavirus pandemic, anti-vax voices have become louder. So would it be fair enough to make a COVID-19 vaccination compulsory? Or could that just generate more pushback? The Feed’s Alice Matthews investigates The Case for…

www.sbs.com.au

Historical Safety Concerns | Vaccine Safety | CDC

Read more about past vaccine safety concerns, how they have been resolved, and what we have learned.

www.cdc.gov

 

[Portology]

Ah, give it two weeks before letting Gladys off the hook :/

*Something* has been materially different in NSW, maybe the private security thing, maybe an aspect of testing protocols... or just plain dumb luck... but the border has been wide open. A few days earlier, pre- school holidays, would have been safer.

It shocks me that none of this (so far) is tracking back to the mass *outdoor* gatherings in any of the states. It *doesn’t* shock me that plenty of this is tracking back to family and extended indoor gatherings.

Shock isn’t necessarily bias. Limited world view is wot it is. What you do next is what really matters.

Let science be science, please. It’ll take some time :/


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[raptalia]

Dickhead...

Victorian charged with breaching self-quarantine direction hours after crossing border into SA

A Melbourne man has been charged with failing to follow directions to self-isolate for two weeks upon his arrival in South Australia.

www.abc.net.au

This was always going to happen and when it does the system needs to make an example of these people. I recall that a bloke who broke quarantine in WA to visit his fiancee got a month- so should this guy.

 

[Interstater]

This time next week we are either going to be happy that we dodged a bullet, or we will be forked.

Victoria is obviously going to have a lot of cases.

SA and NSW are either going to spike or be bloody lucky.
There are already so many cases to people travelling to NSW and SA - roll the dice.
QLD may also be in trouble, it just takes a couple of people infected in NSW or SA to enter QLD.

WA and Tassie look to be the only safe places now.

By this time next week there are going to be calls for Stage 3 lockdowns in NSW, SA and possibly QLD, or we fluke it.

Jeez I hope I'm wrong but when I hear about that dickhead who fled to Glenelg in SA and think about how we have eased restrictions then I know the risk is real.

 

[raptalia]

This time next week we are either going to be happy that we dodged a bullet, or we will be forked.

Victoria is obviously going to have a lot of cases.

SA and NSW are either going to spike or be bloody lucky.
There are already so many cases to people travelling to NSW and SA - roll the dice.
QLD may also be in trouble, it just takes a couple of people infected in NSW or SA to enter QLD.

WA and Tassie look to be the only safe places now.

By this time next week there are going to be calls for Stage 3 lockdowns in NSW, SA and possibly QLD, or we fluke it.

Jeez I hope I'm wrong but when I hear about that dickhead who fled to Glenelg in SA and think about how we have eased restrictions then I know the risk is real.

There is a risk for sure but there is no evidence that everyone crossing from Victoria is automatically an asymptomatic carrier. At this stage I think South Australia can handle the situation.

I am not so sure about NSW where they have managed to loose over 77 test swabs from the Woolworths hot spot.. This from NSW,

Health Minister lashes Vic hot-spot arrival

NSW Health Minister Brad Hazzard has lashed a Victorian man from a virus hot spot who arrived in Sydney by train, saying it should serve as a warning to others.

www.news.com.au

In NSW it is six months gaol or an $11,000 fine if you come to the state from a Victorian hot spot and I suspect this guy will pay.

 

[GranFormaggi]

Dickhead...

Victorian charged with breaching self-quarantine direction hours after crossing border into SA

A Melbourne man has been charged with failing to follow directions to self-isolate for two weeks upon his arrival in South Australia.

www.abc.net.au

This was always going to happen and when it does the system needs to make an example of these people. I recall that a bloke who broke quarantine in WA to visit his fiancee got a month- so should this guy.

This is where we should have announced the hard border with Victoria with immediate effect on Tuesday. We could have still let genuine residents back and processed the necessary exemptions.

When they interviewed people on Wednesday at the airport and Bordertown, there was a fair hint of people just coming here because they'd not need to lock down as long - and lo and behold some didn't want to quarantine at all

 

[raptalia]

This is where we should have announced the hard border with Victoria with immediate effect on Tuesday. We could have still let genuine residents back and processed the necessary exemptions.

When they interviewed people on Wednesday at the airport and Bordertown, there was a fair hint of people just coming here because they'd not need to lock down as long - and lo and behold some didn't want to quarantine at all

Yes, I got the impression that many people were coming over to escape the lock down in Melbourne. They will stay with friends where the chances of isolation are zilch. I reckon anyone who has a Victorian staying over should also be fined if the Victorian guest is found not isolating. Sounds tough but these are tough times and we have to be serious if we want to maintain our virus free status.

 

[gbear]

Yes, I got the impression that many people were coming over to escape the lock down in Melbourne. They will stay with friends where the chances of isolation are zilch. I reckon anyone who has a Victorian staying over should also be fined if the Victorian guest is found not isolating. Sounds tough but these are tough times and we have to be serious if we want to maintain our virus free status.

see I am really hoping that those who come over take their isolation seriously, as they have seen what has easily occurred in Victoria.

 

[manureid]

When we get an outbreak here due to those Vics fleeing here so they did not need to be in lockdown, well, angry much. It is dickheads like that guy that are the reason Vics are where they are.

 

[raptalia]

Tasmania has canned the scheduled reopening of it's borders. I reckon they have cold feet and do not want any Victorians coming in via other States.

I reckon we will know over the next two weeks how many, if any, infected Vics have made it into other States. By then the frantic rush will be over and from then on it will be a routine matter of screening a steady flow of traffic.

We already know that a couple of positives have turned up in Canberra and there may have been one or two in Sydney. Hopefully there are not too many more.