Corona virus, Port and the AFL. Part 2.

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Last Thursday caught up with a few mates for dinner, one married an USA girl in Oz 25 years ago after he got a transfer to San Francisco 5 years before that and they worked together for 3 years there. They had a daughter who was raised in Oz, but my mate worked in HK for a few years when she was about 6. In late 2007 early 2008, they moved to the US as his wife wanted to go back home and wanted their daughter to have a few years US high school education as she was 11 at the time.

Rotten timing, moved to Chicago, sub-prime had kicked in, GFC would hit within a year, he couldn't find work despite his extensive experience, it caused a fracture in their marriage and they split, he moved back here, daughter stayed with mum and did all her schooling and Uni in the States and finished her Asian studies degree in April and had graduation in early May. My mate has worked for a couple of companies that he travels to US 2 to 4 times year with work, and his daughter came here in her summer holidays, so he kept up as close a relationship as he could.

When we caught up 6 weeks ago he said he had finally managed to get her on a flight to Oz, had to wait for her graduation, but there weren't many flights and she was arriving in a couple of days. At the time he said it was a great relief to get her out of the US, as he had been trying to get her on a flight for over a month and talking to Oz government about procedures.

She had studied in a college town in Indiana I think, which had lower covid numbers than Chicago, where she spent her last few weeks living with her mum. I asked about his ex and he said he didn't care, she can stay there as long as she likes.

Last Thursday he said that his daughter was greatly stressed about covid in Chicago then whilst travelling from Chicago to LA via an airlines hub city, can't remember which one, but said once she walked into the Qantas lounge in LA she felt her stress levels drop markedly. At the time she was surprised by this. Her flight home was about 2/3rds full. She had to do 14 days hotel quarantine in Melbourne and then 14 days at home in Adelaide.

He said she was happy to do the 28 days just to get out of the States. She got out of home quarantine last Monday and has told her father she doesn't want to go back to the States until this is all over.

He said she just couldn't believe how different things were in Oz compared to US. From government co-ordination of things like the quarantining, peoples attitude to following rules and even simple social distancing, no stupid debates about wear or non wearing of masks, people not flocking to beaches in mass like Florida etc. She told him the whole attitude and structure to treating the pandemic were 180 degrees apart.

Neither dad or daughter are sure if she is going to find any work in the area she wants to use her Asian studies this year - she speaks Mandarin, but dad is prepared to support her the next 6-12 months whilst the economy is still on hold somewhat and in recession.

Gotta wonder how many Aussies are stuck in countries and cities where the virus is still not controlled and are desperate to get back home to Oz, and more importantly if they have financial resources and family who can help co-ordinate things from here to help them get out of countries that don't have direct flights to Oz and can't travel via transit cities.
 
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Last Thursday caught up with a few mates for dinner, one married an USA girl in Oz 25 years ago after he got a transfer to San Francisco 5 years before that and they worked together for 3 years there. They had a daughter who was raised in Oz, but my mate worked in HK for a few years when she was about 6. In late 2007 early 2008, they moved to the US as his wife wanted to go back home and wanted their daughter to have a few years US high school education as she was 11 at the time.

Rotten timing, moved to Chicago, sub-prime had kicked in, GFC would hit within a year, he couldn't find work despite his extensive experience, it caused a fracture in their marriage and they split, he moved back here, daughter stayed with mum and did all her schooling and Uni in the States and finished her Asian studies degree in April and had graduation in early May. My mate has worked for a couple of companies that he travels to US 2 to 4 times year with work, and his daughter came here in her summer holidays, so he kept up as close a relationship as he could.

When we caught up 6 weeks ago he said he had finally managed to get her on a flight to Oz, had to wait for her graduation, but there weren't many flights and she was arriving in a couple of days. At the time he said it was a great relief to get her out of the US, as he had been trying to get her on a flight for over a month and talking to Oz government about procedures.

She had studied in a college town in Indiana I think, which had lower covid numbers than Chicago, where she spent her last few weeks living with her mum. I asked about his ex and he said he didn't care, she can stay there as long as she likes.

Last Thursday he said that his daughter was greatly stressed about covid in Chicago then whilst travelling from Chicago to LA via an airlines hub city, can't remember which one, but said once she walked into the Qantas lounge in LA she felt her stress levels drop markedly. At the time she was surprised by this. Her flight home was about 2/3rds full. She had to do 14 days hotel quarantine in Melbourne and then 14 days at home in Adelaide.

He said she was happy to do the 28 days just to get out of the States. She got out of home quarantine last Monday and has told her father she doesn't want to go back to the States until this is all over.

He said she just couldn't believe how different things were in Oz compared to US. From government co-ordination of things like the quarantining, peoples attitude to following rules and even simple social distancing, no stupid debates about wear or non wearing of masks, people not flocking to beaches in mass like Florida etc. She told him the whole attitude and structure to treating the pandemic were 180 degrees apart.

Neither dad or daughter are sure if she is going to find any work in the area she wants to use her Asia studies this year, but dad is prepared to support her the next 6-12 months whilst the economy is still on hold somewhat and in recession.

Gotta wonder how many Aussies are stuck in countries and cities where the virus is still not controlled and are desperate to get back home to Oz, and more importantly if they have financial resources and family who can help co-ordinate things from here to help them get out of countries that don't have direct flights to Oz and can't travel via transit cities.


I have friends in Savannah who have multiple restaurants there and are financially embedded in the US. They are finding it very difficult to comprehend the attitude toward the virus there. They are very unsure when they will be able to return home for a visit due the flights and the fact they are both originally from Victoria.
 
Last Thursday caught up with a few mates for dinner, one married an USA girl in Oz 25 years ago after he got a transfer to San Francisco 5 years before that and they worked together for 3 years there. They had a daughter who was raised in Oz, but my mate worked in HK for a few years when she was about 6. In late 2007 early 2008, they moved to the US as his wife wanted to go back home and wanted their daughter to have a few years US high school education as she was 11 at the time.

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He said she just couldn't believe how different things were in Oz compared to US. From government co-ordination of things like the quarantining, peoples attitude to following rules and even simple social distancing, no stupid debates about wear or non wearing of masks, people not flocking to beaches in mass like Florida etc. She told him the whole attitude and structure to treating the pandemic were 180 degrees apart.

Neither dad or daughter are sure if she is going to find any work in the area she wants to use her Asia studies this year, but dad is prepared to support her the next 6-12 months whilst the economy is still on hold somewhat and in recession.

The daughter is in a very unique position, maybe she could contact the Kirby Institute and offer to be interviewed on the differences.

Point taken though, I've generally been against residents bringing family members to Australia, particularly when cultural differences make it less likely they will abide by our rules (and that includes people from the US) but of course that's my own self-interest vs theirs.
 

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I have friends in Savannah who have multiple restaurants there and are financially embedded in the US. They are finding it very difficult to comprehend the attitude toward the virus there. They are very unsure when they will be able to return home for a visit due the flights and the fact they are both originally from Victoria.
Your friends unfortunately are currently hit by a double banger it seems.

You can read the stats and stories, see and hear the news reports, but it isn't until you have some sort of personal connection to people either who have got the virus or are in a place where its out of control that you can get to understand the stress levels it has caused. The smile and relief on my mates face talking about having his daughter home and out of the danger, said it all to me.
 
The daughter is in a very unique position, maybe she could contact the Kirby Institute and offer to be interviewed on the differences.

Point taken though, I've generally been against residents bringing family members to Australia, particularly when cultural differences make it less likely they will abide by our rules (and that includes people from the US) but of course that's my own self-interest vs theirs.
I will mention that to him when we catch up next weekend.
 
SA to cap hotel quarantine to 1200 people maximum.
4 maybe 5 hotels in the city? Easier to handle, close to police HQ and SA Pathology HQ.
 

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If nothing else, this is a grim warning to us and the other states that this sh*t can quickly get out of control again. We do not want to be going back in to lockdowns.

I think what it makes crystal clear is that the idea you can suppress COVID-19 is delusional.
There is only one strategy and that is elimination.

As far as Australia is concerned that is the only strategy we should have or consider until there is a vaccine.
 
2 people from hotel quarantine have been taken to hospital late this morning. I imagine they will be tested using the rapid tests, so results will be known fairly quickly. Highly likely we will see new cases in the coming days from this group of arrivals.
According to Nicole Spurrier, 1 was a pregnant woman who was taken to hospital for a regular check-up, the other had other non-COVID symptoms (but was tested anyway, awaiting results).
 
Having spent a lifetime in R&D I know that there are reasonable and sensible actions that fail when you approach new problems.

In fact a succession of sensible actions may fail.

We are crrently doing epidemiological R&D on the run.

The actions of Andrews et al have been sensible until now, but the long handle must now be applied to the problem.

To suggest he is responsible for the current situation is a nonsense.

But you'd have to admit the decision making of his government has played a part. They can bat away all questions about this for now because they are having an inquiry, but their use of private security to manage hotel quarantine has likely been the cause of this outbreak. There is some evidence that these people were under-trained, some were even sub-contracted likely with even less training, some not showing up to shifts, not following physical distancing rules or standard PPE procedures. Probably all in the name of saving a few bucks, which from a risk management point of view is an extremely small upside for a huge downside, which has now come to pass.

Unfortunately the only way to stop this is to go full lockdown. Take the pain now for the next 4 weeks, again, and then hopefully it will come back under control.
 
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