Corona virus, Port and the AFL. Part 2.

[OneGreatClub]

 

[ploppy]

melbournes now in a 6 week lockdown. Vic sides can forget about going back there this season...i doubt they will have finals or spring carnival either

 

[pastmyprimus]

Andrews has just reported that there are 9 patients in ICU. Before the recent outbreak it was only 1. No shortage of ICU beds yet but you can see where it's heading without a stage 3 lockdown.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

S.92 of the Australian constitution looking shaky.

Nah

Border closures, COVID-19 and s 92 of the Constitution – what role for proportionality (if any)? — Australian Public Law

BY SHIPRA CHORDIA

auspublaw.org

 

[NEGAN]

Nah

Border closures, COVID-19 and s 92 of the Constitution – what role for proportionality (if any)? — Australian Public Law

BY SHIPRA CHORDIA

auspublaw.org

This only backs up my statement

 

[MrMeaner]

Weeping in Victorian

 

[DaTBird187]

melbournes now in a 6 week lockdown. Vic sides can forget about going back there this season...i doubt they will have finals or spring carnival either

I wonder if the players are all still going to push to go back home after five weeks, or stay at a resort on the Gold Coast and play football.

 

[Capital Power]

Can't Elspeth push him across the border in a wheelie bin?

 

[OneGreatClub]

Can't Elspeth push him across the border in a wheelie bin?

Shhh..when asked about Andrew Fagan the other day he said he feels Fagan is the right man to keep his job at the Crows.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

This only backs up my statement

Its no more shakier than before. If a 7-0 precedent in the 1988 Cole v Whitfield case says - the Mason Court unanimously decided that s 92 was directed at protecting against laws that imposed “a discriminatory burden of a protectionist kind”. That is, s 92 would not operate to invalidate all laws that restricted trade and commerce between the states in any way – as the High Court observed, an interpretation to that effect could lead to anarchy. Rather, the provision would only invalidate laws that were “discriminatory” and “protectionist” in the sense that they sought to protect local providers of business activity in a state against competition from those located in other states. That test – which has endured in the decades since – has brought a stability to the interpretation of s 92 that was previously absent.

Hard to argue laws that are about protecting people from dying due to a pandemic are a discriminatory burden because Victoria shut its border.

WA might be another case, but any decision wont be a free for all, as the court has set precedents to observe from past cases.

 

[DaTBird187]

Can't Elspeth push him across the border in a wheelie bin?

Smithson's set up on the Dukes Highway, just outside Bordertown.

 

[Interstater]

(Not my bolding - posted as is)

IN BRIEF: what restrictions will be in place for Metro Melbourne and Mitchell Shire residents

From 11.59pm on July 8, residents must stay at home unless it's for:

• Shopping for food or other essentials
• Medical purposes and caregiving
• Work and study if it can't be done from home (only Year 11/12/VCE students and special needs students will return to classrooms as normal)
• Exercise (but people cannot leave or enter the restricted areas of Metropolitan Melbourne/Mitchell Shire)

Limits on gatherings:

• No visitors at home
• No more than two people (or your household group) gathering in public
• Weddings limited to five people
• Funerals limited to 10 people (plus those conducting)
• Intimate partners can visit each other

Businesses:

• Retail, markets and hairdressers can stay OPEN (subject to conditions)
• Cafes, restaurants, pubs, clubs and bars can do TAKEAWAY ONLY
• Arenas, stadiums, food courts, cinemas, concert venues, casinos and gaming, brothels and strip clubs, beauty services, holiday accommodation, campgrounds, pools, playgrounds, saunas, galleries, museums and zoos will CLOSE
• Real estate auctions will be done remotely and house inspections only by appointment

Activity:

• Subject to conditions, fishing, boating, tennis, golf and surfing can CONTINUE
• Community sport and indoor sport and recreation will CLOSE
• Religious ceremonies will be BROADCAST ONLY

Holidays:

• If you're already holidaying, you can complete that holiday
• No new holiday travel can be undertaken from 11.59pm on July 8
• You can't visit a second residence outside the restricted areas

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

I wonder if the players are all still going to push to go back home after five weeks, or stay at a resort on the Gold Coast and play football.

Some will. If the daily numbers go down to between 0-10 maybe even 0-20 by week 5, most will want to go back.

 

[Leaveit2charlie]

I wonder if the players are all still going to push to go back home after five weeks, or stay at a resort on the Gold Coast and play football.

Kids will be fine. Grown ups with family is another issue. I can see a break in the season happening to facilitate that.

 

[NEGAN]

191 case in Victoria, population of 6.6m, greater Melbourne hS 5.1m. Jurisdiction with population of 5m to 7m new cases last 24 hours as well as total cases and total deaths.

Its no more shakier than before. If a 7-0 precedent says - the Mason Court unanimously decided that s 92 was directed at protecting against laws that imposed “a discriminatory burden of a protectionist kind”. That is, s 92 would not operate to invalidate all laws that restricted trade and commerce between the states in any way – as the High Court observed, an interpretation to that effect could lead to anarchy. Rather, the provision would only invalidate laws that were “discriminatory” and “protectionist” in the sense that they sought to protect local providers of business activity in a state against competition from those located in other states. That test – which has endured in the decades since – has brought a stability to the interpretation of s 92 that was previously absent.

Hard to argue laws that are about protecting people from dying due to a pandemic are discriminatory burden because Victoria shut its border.

WA might be another case, but any decision wont be a free for all, as the court has set precedents to observe from past cases.

REH it backs up my statement.

Secondly Lockdowns are not proven to cure covid. Nor stop it.

Until there is an endgame for lockdown it's going to continue to fail like it has all over the world.

 

[PowerBaz]

I wonder what Marketing angle Morrison is working out in his head some time down the future o this one, as in Lib v Labor.... Fed v State...

 

[LFC2010]

Good

White woman who called police on black bird watcher in New York faces charges

Amy Cooper is being charged with falsely reporting an incident after she called police to say she felt threatened by an African-American man in New York.

www.sbs.com.au

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

REH it backs up my statement.

Secondly Lockdowns are not proven to cure covid. Nor stop it.

Until there is an endgame for lockdown it's going to continue to fail like it has all over the world.

Its about reducing deaths, not providing a cure. Of course lockdowns slows down and suppress expansion of a pandemic. No one will argue against either of those points. Look at the modelling what happens if you do nothing.

That's what you are arguing, do nothing - same level of deaths and cases as a lockdown. That is blatantly wrong.

It doesn't back up your statement. If a state declares a health emergency to reduce health risks then that is acceptable. The court will have to resolve how long it can be shut down which is reasonable and isn't discriminatory.

The court will not give a 100% ruling - no shutdowns at all. Read the Cole case. It will allow proportionately like in that case.

 

[bomberclifford]

Secondly Lockdowns are not proven to cure covid. Nor stop it.

It's not intended to 'cure' it, nor 'stop' it.

It's intended to slow the rate of infection, which it does.

 

[gbear]

Andrews has just reported that there are 9 patients in ICU. Before the recent outbreak it was only 1. No shortage of ICU beds yet but you can see where it's heading without a stage 3 lockdown.

Are you going to have to be lockdown again?

 

[NEGAN]

It's not intended to 'cure' it, nor 'stop' it.

It's intended to slow the rate of infection, which it does.

Yeah that's kind of the point though.

There is no Endgame.

 

[Jason K]

Having spent a lifetime in R&D I know that there are reasonable and sensible actions that fail when you approach new problems.

In fact a succession of sensible actions may fail.

We are crrently doing epidemiological R&D on the run.

The actions of Andrews et al have been sensible until now, but the long handle must now be applied to the problem.

To suggest he is responsible for the current situation is a nonsense.

I call bullshit. He had the opportunity to use Police at hotel Quarantines like QLD, NSW, SA and WA. He was even offered ADF support. He instead chose to give one of his fatcat mates a nice juicy security contract to fleece.

Anyone that can't see the corruption doesn't want to see it.

Added on with the belt and road crap....


Oh, but who would want to go to SA anyway?

 

[NEGAN]

Its about reducing deaths, not providing a cure. Of course lockdowns slows down and suppress expansion of a pandemic. No one will argue against either of those points. Look at the modelling what happens if you do nothing.

You can't do this forever REH. We are sending people insane. This is no way to live and without an end game it's shutdown and stick to your zone whenever there is a flair up. As every case increases the mortality rate drops. As of now there is a 99% recovery with mild cases asymptomatic....this is borderline Insanity.

The fact is if we are fair about saving lives....shut down every alcohol store right now. Every fast food outlet right now.

It doesn't back up your statement. If a state declares a health emergency to reduce health risks then that is acceptable. The court will have to resolve how long it can be shut down which is reasonable and isn't discriminatory.

The court will not give a 100% ruling - no shutdowns at all. Read the Cole case. It will allow proportionately like in that case.

Yes as I said the s.92 is looking shaky, totally backs up my point if a court can overrule it.

 

[raptalia]

Daniel Andrews has no choice. He has to go to a State wide lockdown. There are cases popping up everywhere, a couple in Geelong, Port Phillip and the Mornington Peninsula and five in Glen Waverley. In fact 40% of today's positive cases are outside of the designated hot spots. The infection is spreading and locking down a few postcodes in Melbourne isn't going to stop this.

This is not going to be controlled without drastic measures and the figures coming out of Victoria are worse than when the State was in Stage 3 lockdown.

Sorry Travis Auld but regardless of your promises to Eddie I cannot see the AFL returning to Melbourne in five weeks time.

 

[OneGreatClub]

W

REH it backs up my statement.

Secondly Lockdowns are not proven to cure covid. Nor stop it.

Until there is an endgame for lockdown it's going to continue to fail like it has all over the world.

What is your educated solution then?
I am sure governments don’t take lockdown lightly.

You have been antii lockdown all along?