Corona virus, Port and the AFL. Part 2.

[RossFC]

Assuming this journal article isn’t retracted, it appears the major determinant of COVID mortality is obesity. Full lockdowns & rapid border closures not associated with COVID mortality.

A country level analysis measuring the impact of government actions, country preparedness and socioeconomic factors on COVID-19 mortality and related health outcomes

In this exploratory analysis, low levels of national preparedness, scale of testing and population characteristics were associated with increased national case load and overall mortality.

www.thelancet.com

It looks like losing weight is your best defence against the virus.

Well my fat arse is in isolation forever then.

 

[Andre]

19 more for NSW. I can easily see this going the route of Victoria, as the NSW government won't 'go hard, go early' on it now, hoping it stays small numbers so they can avoid hard decisions on shut downs. Though even a simple one of enforcing everyone wearing masks there won't have detrimental economic effects, but crickets. Live and don't learn in real time.

 

[raptalia]

how about fruit pickers pay wages that attract australian employees

You miss the point. What you suggest is fine if you want to pay twice as much for your fruit and veg.

The point is this would be additional to the dole. If Morrison got serious he could make the payments tax free which would provide extra money for those on the dole, provide the growers with a source of labour, not require visa holding backpackers to cross State borders and get the produce onto our shelves. What is not to like about any of that?

The only downside is that some people would be asked to do some work for a few months in return for welfare payments and that might not sit well with some people.

 

[pastmyprimus]

Victoria was non-compliant before then. Like the footage of Bondi, St. Kilda beach showed a complete lack of social distancing during 'wave one'. SA certainly hasn't been perfect, but even given the population differences, there's from the start appeared to be much more compliance here.

I agree. Victorians were non compliant before this second wave. Non compliance is more dangerous in this wave because there’s a lot more community transmission. The majority of new cases were overseas travellers in wave one

 

[raptalia]

The figures for Victoria might be down but another month of 400 cases per day is over 12,000 cases. There is also the death toll and the fact that 25% of the Victorians on ventilators are under 55. There is also the rise of cases in regional Victoria and the high incidence of local transmissions.

It has reached the point where Daniel Andrews no longer has a choice he has to go back to a full State wide Stage 3 lock down and impose heavy penalties on those who do not follow the restrictions. Lock down hard for a month will at least give the Health Authority a chance to stem the spread.

I realise it is easy for some one living in South Australia to espouse lock down which I do not have to endure but there appears to be no other way.

It is also time for Morrison to get the National Cabinet together and work out a national approach that imposes consistent nation wide border control while ensuring Victoria has the resources it needs. All that Morrison has done in the past week is suspend the nation's democratically elected Parliament in the hope that the Victorian situation will go away. Victorian MPs should isolate for two weeks starting today so that the Parliament can resume ASAP. The situation in Victoria isn't going to end anytime soon and Federal Parliament will have to resume before it does so we should be getting ready.

 

[Alberton Proud]

FACE MASKS MANDATORY

but with a 1 week "education" period

It's a farking mask people it's not that hard

This sort of namby pamby fluffing around is certainly not helping their cause

Fine all ****ers not wearing one

 

[Butters Made Me Do It]

You miss the point. What you suggest is fine if you want to pay twice as much for your fruit and veg.

If you can't pay a fair living wage and cover workers for injury outcomes then thats what the price should be.

If you want govt subsidy sure. Forcing unemployed people to do serious physical labor for poverty wage is bullshit

Fruit picking should be the same as any other industry

 

[TeeKray]

The concept of working for the dole is such a nonsense, what is the point in having minimum wage legislation if that shit is allowed to fly.

 

[Dav]

The concept of working for the dole is such a nonsense, what is the point in having minimum wage legislation if that sh*t is allowed to fly.

I find it ridiculous as well that they're going to be introducing mutual obligations next month when Australia's second largest city is likely to go into full lockdown. No one in Melbourne is going to be hiring, it's just going to continue to push people back towards the poverty line and demonise poor people once again.

 

[chiwigi]

The concept of working for the dole is such a nonsense, what is the point in having minimum wage legislation if that sh*t is allowed to fly.

It's almost acceptable for public works, to give experience etc.

When they allow private enterprise to use them!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Forzaport]

Issues relating to hotel quarantine may not be exclusive to Victoria:

WA doctors fear repeat of Melbourne crisis as whistleblowers sound alarm on hotel quarantine — ABC News

Serious concerns have emerged about Western Australia's handling of interstate and international arrivals, with repeated rule breaches and fears of an over-reliance on private security contractors within the state's hotel quarantine system.

apple.news

 

[Forzaport]

Flu deaths in Australia way down this year because of social distancing and other COVID preventative measures:


This time last year 430 people had died from influenza. This year it's just 36

This time last year 430 people had died from influenza. This year it's just 36

Australia has seen a huge drop in influenza cases and deaths this year. Experts say a combination of school closures, physical distancing, hand hygiene, border closures and increased vaccination rates have all contributed to the sharp decline.

www.abc.net.au

Potential problem is that next flu season might be severe because we don’t know the impact a mild flu season will have on immunity moving forward. We sometimes do need to get sick to be healthier.

 

[FPPF]

That's typical of me and the 60,000 BLM protesters. Me and the 70,000 BLM protesters just have no regard for the safety and well-being of others. Me and the 80,000 BLM protesters should be ashamed of ourselves.

 

[Forzaport]

Daily reminder that if you make it personal you put yourself at risk of being moderated with prejudice.

 

[raptalia]

The concept of working for the dole is such a nonsense, what is the point in having minimum wage legislation if that sh*t is allowed to fly.

What are you on about? The minimum wage has nothing to do with the dole. To get the minimum wage you have to be employed.

If you are saying, make the dole the same as the minimum wage, you remove the incentive to get a job.

 

[raptalia]

I find it ridiculous as well that they're going to be introducing mutual obligations next month when Australia's second largest city is likely to go into full lockdown. No one in Melbourne is going to be hiring, it's just going to continue to push people back towards the poverty line and demonise poor people once again.

No one is saying Victorians have to go and get a job simply that they have to actively look for one. The Federal Government cannot legislate for all the States bar Victoria, they are oligated to apply the rules across the entire nation but you would hope they apply some 'flexibility' where needed. Obviously the situation in Melbourne warrants that fexibility.

Job Keeper will also help some of those in Victoria. The criteria for Job Keeper have been tightened Australia wide but given the circumstances in Melbourne they should be varied in the State of Victoria.

Victoria is a special needs case atm for sure.

 

[PowerBaz]

There goes the country.

 

[Iwish]

The country will have bigger issues than sport if victoria remains a covid hot spot going into 2021.
They will be isolated from the rest of the country.
Business will be effected and the aussie economy will sink further south.
Stage 4 lockdown is there only choice the longer they delay it the worse it will be it will get to the stage where the army will need to patrol streets to make sure everyone follows the lockdown.Very sad.
As for afl 2021 we could see another condensed season and hubs and millions of $$ lost from every club.

 

[G3TWOTYAD3S3RV]

You serious ? It's 2 cases.

Only takes 1 spark dude


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[Andre]

The country will have bigger issues than sport if victoria remains a covid hot spot going into 2021.
They will be isolated from the rest of the country.
Business will be effected and the aussie economy will sink further south.
Stage 4 lockdown is there only choice the longer they delay it the worse it will be it will get to the stage where the army will need to patrol streets to make sure everyone follows the lockdown.Very sad.
As for afl 2021 we could see another condensed season and hubs and millions of $$ lost from every club.

The Vic lockdown is estimated at $1 billion a week. Given State Governments are mostly funded by the Federal government we're all paying for them to not ****ing stay at home unless required and when out bloody socially distance. If it doesn't move in 2 weeks get the army and deployments of police from other states there to enforce it. Go the full NZ lock down of most businesses shut for 4 weeks (2 cycles). A month of real pain is less in the long term for everyone then this 'Let's go sort of hard, until we see it's not working well enough and then go harder when it might be too late'.

 

[PortWTF]

19 more for NSW. I can easily see this going the route of Victoria, as the NSW government won't 'go hard, go early' on it now, hoping it stays small numbers so they can avoid hard decisions on shut downs. Though even a simple one of enforcing everyone wearing masks there won't have detrimental economic effects, but crickets. Live and don't learn in real time.

This is what is infuriating about the NSW govt. It was obvious weeks before they closed the border with Victoria that they were going to eventually have to anyway, but they left it open and the virus came with it. Now it's in the suburbs and they won't mandate that people must wear masks, but it will get worse and eventually they will have to anyway. Just do it now. There is such a massive downside risk of doing nothing than just doing what you will have to eventually do anyway.

 

[chiwigi]

Daily reminder that if you make it personal you put yourself at risk of being moderated with prejudice.

If prejudice was moderated we’d risk fewer bans.

 

[raptalia]

Daniel Andrews has just announced a one off payment of $300 for any employed person required to isolate while awating test results. This is obviously designed to prevent people who may be infected from going to work while waiting for test results.

 

[Andre]

Daniel Andrews has just announced a one off payment of $300 for any employed person required to isolate while awating test results. This is obviously designed to prevent people who may be infected from going to work while waiting for test results.

If it starts spreading further into NSW then it should be taken over by the Feds and apply everywhere (even states like SA where it's under control). Plus make it illegal to sack staff that have to isolate due to testing.

 

[NEGAN]

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It might have something to do with the extremely high statistical probability that if you're under say 60 (even then looks good) you're as likely to get run over as you are to die of COVID. You can only scream at people so long (this goes all around the world) that something is dangerous when everyone can see the huge body of evidence that for the majority of them it really isn't. Once you had the protests that were OK'd that was it, combine that with a low mortality rate and a basically 0 mortality rate for anyone under 50 worldwide you get what you get.

It's too late, people have bought into the figures. People are scared.


We're heading down to venezstralia territory.