Corona virus, Port and the AFL. Part 3.

[Ford Fairlane]

 

[OneGreatClub]

Surely these people aren't serious? This is exactly how COVID deaths have always been counted in the US. It's the sole reason why their infection rate is sky high. There were people who were shot or in car accidents that were counted as COVID deaths, FFS.

How do you account for excess deaths?

Excess mortality during the Coronavirus pandemic (COVID-19)

Excess mortality is a term used in epidemiology and public health that refers to the number of deaths from all causes during a crisis above and beyond what we would have expected to see under ‘normal’ conditions.1 In this case, we’re interested in how the number of deaths during the COVID-19...

ourworldindata.org

 

[Festerz]

And the AMA is now directly contradicting the advice our PM gave to the nation on Monday night. This is madness from our PM. He is single handedly wrecking the public's faith in the immunisation process. Doing the antivaxxers job better than they could ever have dreamed.

 

[GremioPower]

It’s impossible really, her symptoms were probably like any other minor cold. Hard to have everyone who has a little cold rush to get tested. At this time of year with kids little colds are everywhere.

The best thing to do is to test everyone constantly. There are few people who are immune to covid, but they can transmit it:

2% of people carry 90% of COVID-19 virus, and roommates are safer than you think

A lab scientist scans bar codes on saliva samples collected from members of the CU Boulder community. (Credit: Glenn Asakawa/CU Boulder)A few “super carriers”

www.colorado.edu

Besides, the minor symptom is reason enough to put on the bloody mask and to observe social distancing. Just do the simple things, and it will be ok.

 

[pastmyprimus]

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How do you account for excess deaths?

Excess mortality during the Coronavirus pandemic (COVID-19)

Excess mortality is a term used in epidemiology and public health that refers to the number of deaths from all causes during a crisis above and beyond what we would have expected to see under ‘normal’ conditions.1 In this case, we’re interested in how the number of deaths during the COVID-19...

ourworldindata.org

Some people will argue that covid deaths are over-stated because of x, y and z. Other people will argue that deaths are under-stated for other reasons.

Excess deaths are a good way of settling that argument. And excess deaths pick up on deaths caused indirectly by covid because of overwhelmed health systems.

 

[OneGreatClub]

Murdoch has more power than any politician. It’s disgusting.

 

[TeeKray]

And the AMA is now directly contradicting the advice our PM gave to the nation on Monday night. This is madness from our PM. He is single handedly wrecking the public's faith in the immunisation process. Doing the antivaxxers job better than they could ever have dreamed.

Hang on. The PM is telling people to get vaccinated and the AMA is telling people to wait yet it's the PM that's doing the job of the anti vaxxers?

The AMA is effectively a union representing the interests of medical professionals. They should be viewed with suspicion.

The biggest culprit when it comes to people not getting vaccinated is the media and their scare campaign against AZ, which is a very safe vaccine.

 

[Chewy316]

Think from Daws Road to Winston Ave equals 3 hours. Parking down Winston Ave means you just didn’t have any idea how long you were going to wait when joined the line up. Did see a car broken down in that line up yesterday that made matters worse for traffic on Winston.

Clinical Labs at the airport is the smart move as mentioned before if anyone is looking.

There was no parking down there yesterday morning - it was just the line up. If the corner of winston and daws road is 3 hours, the length of the line would have indicated at least another hour or two on top of that. Ridiculous.

 

[PAFC66]

Hang on. The PM is telling people to get vaccinated and the AMA is telling people to wait yet it's the PM that's doing the job of the anti vaxxers?

The AMA is effectively a union representing the interests of medical professionals. They should be viewed with suspicion.

The biggest culprit when it comes to people not getting vaccinated is the media and their scare campaign against AZ, which is a very safe vaccine.

The biggest culprit as to why people aren't being vaccinated in Australia right now is definitely not the media. They're way down the list.

Right now many are more suspicious of the liberal federal government than AMA.

 

[TeeKray]

The biggest culprit as to why people aren't being vaccinated in Australia right now is definitely not the media. They're way down the list.

Right now many are more suspicious of the liberal federal government than AMA.

Sorry, I should've said the biggest culprit for the anti vaxxer sentiment is the media. The government is obviously at fault for the slow rollout in general.

 

[jakey]

 

[SureBuddy]

Expect a lockdown in SA here soon peeps. Will be a press conference later today.

 

[MaxPowa]

Expect a lockdown in SA here soon peeps. Will be a press conference later today.

Not sure why they would lockdown for one case that was in iso tested negative then tested positive (one of the miners).

 

[SureBuddy]

Not sure why they would lockdown for one case that was in iso tested negative then tested positive (one of the miners).

That is what common sense would think... but just you wait and see. It is the Delta strain and they are going to freak out and overreact.

 

[Festerz]

The PM is telling people to get vaccinated and the AMA is telling people to wait yet it's the PM that's doing the job of the anti vaxxers?

Read my post again, and that of the AMA slowly.

The expert medical advice last week was clear - those aged under 60 should NOT be taking the AZ vaccine. This remains the advice from ATAGI - the Australian Technical Advisory Group on Immunisation (ATAGI) advises the Minister for Health on the National Immunisation Program (NIP) and other immunisation issues.

In his press conference to the nation on Monday night the PM directly contradicted that medical advice and provided no expert opinion to support his advice. It was a political statement.

The messages from the Federal Government on what vaccines to take and by what age groups has changed from day to day and week to week. As Adam Zwar put so eloquently in the twitter post linked by Ford Fairlane and to which I replied:

PM:

"First I told them it was for everyone. Then I said it was just for the over 50s. Then I said it was just for the over 60s. Now I'm saying it's for the under 40s. What's so complicated about that?"



So is it any wonder people are confused and holding off on getting vaccinated in NSW?

YES - it IS the fault of the PM. He should do what the state Premiers are doing and leave the medical messaging to the experts - the CMO/CHOs rather than trying to fob off his excess supplies of AZ.

Be clear and consistent in your messaging - how bloody hard can that be?

 

[Festerz]

Sorry, I should've said the biggest culprit for the anti vaxxer sentiment is the media. The government is obviously at fault for the slow rollout in general.

Rubbish. The PM is sending mixed messages which the media is repeating both in terms of the relative risk of AZ and what age groups should be taking what vaccine. On Monday night he told people under 60 they were free to get the AZ vaccine if they wanted - and people turning up at clinics and GPs were turned away because no such official advice had been given to them by ATAGI.

The QLD chief medical officer right now has indicated she’d much rather have people under 40yo unvaccinated and contract Covid than to have them get AstraZeneca. Because of rare blood clots.




Where is the PMs leadership? Why is he not ensuring consistent vaccine messaging across the nation? Where is his National Cabinet atm? Stop giving him a get out of gaol free card on this by blaming the ubiquitous 'media'.

It is a bloody mess. And the buck stops with the PM.

 

[Chewy316]

Suggest a fair chunk of those people are those who, like my wife, are required to undergo regular mandatory testing as part of their 14 day quarantine directions having returned from NSW last week and before state borders closed.

Rather than labelling them as some sort of 'panic' lemmings I think we should actually be pretty happy that so many people are taking the directions from our health authorities to get tested if symptoms are present or if returned from interstate, seriously. THIS is the way this new rapidly spreading variant of the virus will be defeated and lockdowns are avoided.

I'm not oblivious to those who have been mandated to have testing over a 14 day quarantine period. I'm also cognisant of the fact that panic buying in some areas is starting again, not to mention every 2nd patient of mine at work (I work in health care) is expecting a breakout to happen here and that "it's only a matter of time" before we go into lockdown again. Many of my colleagues have reported similar to me over the last 24 hours.

Whilst I understand where you're coming from re: testing with the idea of preventing a lockdown, the reality is at the presence of a single case, there is a reasonable chance that the Police Commissioner exercises his authority to enforce a lockdown in SA such as the perceived transmissibility of this delta variant. The position of the powers at be, along with many of the general population is no longer one of "lockdown to flatten the curve," nor is it "lockdown to allow our contact tracers to catch up and get ahold of the situation." It is very much a case now of "1 positive case is one too many and we need to take a sledgehammer approach and smash this thing into oblivion" - even though one could reasonably postulate whether a sledgehammer approach is appropriate for a problem that is closer to the size of a pinhead.

As much as I thought Trump's handling of covid was beyond terrible - his line of (paraphrasing) "If you do more tests, you're going to find more cases" holds water. On that premise, I have little doubt that there would be people somewhat selfishly questioning the perceived benefit of themselves getting a test if they displayed any sort of symptoms given the ramifications (ie lockdown in SA) that could occur with a single positive test.

 

[El Zorro]

****

 

[PAFC66]

Not sure why they would lockdown for one case that was in iso tested negative then tested positive (one of the miners).

It's SA.

 

[Lawnchair Larry]

Detected in waste water at Glenelg as well as family of 5 in Rostrevor?

 

[MaxPowa]

That is what common sense would think... but just you wait and see. It is the Delta strain and they are going to freak out and overreact.

fu**

Whether it's one or five the key would be they are all in iso and would have just gone positive (given negative result on Monday). Again if those are the facts risk is still low.

 

[chickentendies]

I've never voted Liberal in a state or federal election, but I've been extremely impressed with the Marshall government's handling of the Rona in SA and whatever decision they make I have a large degree of faith in. If the news is true and this results in a (preferably small for businesses sake) lockdown, I'm all for it.

 

[Pt Augusta Power]

Sorry, I should've said the biggest culprit for the anti vaxxer sentiment is the media. The government is obviously at fault for the slow rollout in general.

It’s mostly Murdoch media - which have SlowMo in their back pocket. I see them as one and the same.

 

[Ford Fairlane]

Get your toilet paper!

https://www.news.com.au/national/so...s/news-story/cbb9245ccbdb347a30af4a109df151cd

There are reports emerging from South Australia that lockdown could be imminent as Australia struggles to contain the Delta variant.

The state recorded zero new coronavirus cases on Tuesday, but there are reports that a family has tested positive today.

SBS Political Correspondent in South Australia Shuba Krishnan tweeted this morning that “a family of five are Covid positive”.

 

[Pt Augusta Power]

Cripes