Corona virus, Port and the AFL. Part 4.

[pastmyprimus]

Economic collapses only affect the poor/emotionally fragile.

Cold rich dudes thrive in an economic collapse.

What economic collapse

 

[Papa G]

Economic collapses only affect the poor/emotionally fragile.

Cold rich dudes thrive in an economic collapse.

Economic collapse provides opportunity. Asserts become cheap. Papa Goligarch, the Benevolant.

 

[PAFC66]

Dan Andrews trying to find a roundabout way to gain permanent emergency powers.

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No .

Dan Andrews and his government are putting through legislation to put it in line with other states including NSW. Prior to this the state had to extend the SOE powers to mandate quarantine and other health orders. This legislation now gives elected officials the powers to inact lockdowns and not health officers which we had prior to this. NSW works under this model and I'm quite sure other states as well.

 

[StrappingTape]

Trying to explain how shite this has been and will continue to be for government employees is pointless Papa G.

Interesting case study in ireland, 99.7% of over 18s vaccinated in Waterford and it's leading Ireland in infections. Maybe.. it's completely pointless being so abusive to people making a choice not to have it when like we know it spreads just as well with the vaccinated:

Waterford city district has State’s highest rate of Covid-19 infections (irishtimes.com)

Our road map is also ridiculous in this respect, why 14 days quarantine for overseas arrivals for unvaccinated but none for vaccinated.

 

[PAFC66]

Trying to explain how sh*te this has been and will continue to be for government employees is pointless Papa G.

Interesting case study in ireland, 99.7% of over 18s vaccinated in Waterford and it's leading Ireland in infections. Maybe.. it's completely pointless being so abusive to people making a choice not to have it when like we know it spreads just as well with the vaccinated:

Waterford city district has State’s highest rate of Covid-19 infections (irishtimes.com)

Our road map is also ridiculous in this respect, why 14 days quarantine for overseas arrivals for unvaccinated but none for vaccinated.

How's the hospitisation and death rate in Waterford then?

The federal government determines whether the unvaccinated needs to quarantine , not state governments.

 

[PAFC66]

Good to see SA opening borders on the 23rd of November. Interestingly people will be unable to stand or dance at a bar until 90% vaccination rates.

 

[manureid]

Good to see SA opening borders on the 23rd of November. Interestingly people will be unable to stand or dance at a bar until 90% vaccination rates.

People standing at the bar just get in the way of people wanting to be served. Keep this rule in.

 

[StrappingTape]

How's the hospitisation and death rate in Waterford then?

The federal government determines whether the unvaccinated needs to quarantine , not state governments.

Rising:
The news doesn’t get any better for the hospital, who saw a significant spike in cases over the weekend. Last Friday, there were 10 patients with covid in the hospital and as of Monday afternoon (October 11) there were 18

Also the mean age of death 80 so it's imperative we ruin the lives of all those under 50s who refuse the jab, especially the larger blase group in their 20s.

 

[Hodges 153!]

Good to see SA opening borders on the 23rd of November. Interestingly people will be unable to stand at a bar until 90% vaccination rates.

For which they've also shifted the goal posts.

Now 90% over age 12, not 16.

 

[PAFC66]

For which they've also shifted the goal posts.

Now 90% over age 12, not 16.

Yeah there's no doubt Nicola is the most conservative CHO in the country. You can't complain she hasnt kept you safe though.

Half the country will be going overseas and returning way before then.

 

[PAFC66]

Rising:
The news doesn’t get any better for the hospital, who saw a significant spike in cases over the weekend. Last Friday, there were 10 patients with covid in the hospital and as of Monday afternoon (October 11) there were 18

Also the mean age of death 80 so it's imperative we ruin the lives of all those under 50s who refuse the jab, especially the larger blase group in their 20s.

1,240.2 per 100,000 of the population in 14 days - 10 patients with covid in a hospital when there's zero restrictions.

Looks like the vaccinations are doing their job.

Are you seriously suggesting covid vaccines are not working?

 

[StrappingTape]

1,240.2 per 100,000 of the population in 14 days - 10 patients with covid in a hospital when there's zero restrictions.

Looks like the vaccinations are doing their job.

Are you seriously suggesting covid vaccines are not working?

No, I'm saying that it's rising coming into winter with 0% unvaccinated. If unvaccinated people are the harbinger of infection doom then who is to blame for each death there? If it were NSW you'd be telling us their health system is about to fall over.

 

[Contested Marx]

Economic collapse provides opportunity. Asserts become cheap. Papa Goligarch, the Benevolant.

You're Asserts are Cheep

 

[MaxPowa]

You know that in some countries in Europe kids didn't go to school or the park for over a year right? Our restrictions are the reason we've been covid free for so long. Because of masks and check ins we were able to track the movement of infected truckies and make sure they were masked up when they entered petrol stations, supermarkets and shopping centres. In December we will still need those restrictions as covid will make its way through open borders and zero quarantine. I've got 4 kids, one has managed to get through uni throughout covid, the 2nd did year 12 last year, the third year 12 this year (he's about to start exams). My fourth is away on a five week camp at the moment that kids in other states and countries could only dream about. In Victoria a mate of mine has had a kid do year 12 last year and their first year of uni without ever attending campus. For an 18 year old those two years are huge. I'm okay with Spurrier, we've done well in SA and it needs to be recognised.

Complete furphy of an argument. Why are we patting spurrier on the back for taking a completely uncompromising view on restrictions when other places have managed to achieve the same health outcomes but with more freedoms (Qld, NT, WA, Tas)? It's easy to just go overboard with restrictions without giving a **** about the other side of the equation. Much harder to balance both. Without a doubt those states have done a much better job of managing covid and spurrier should be held to account.

 

[Harlott]

Complete furphy of an argument. Why are we patting spurrier on the back for taking a completely uncompromising view on restrictions when other places have managed to achieve the same health outcomes but with more freedoms (Qld, NT, WA, Tas)? It's easy to just go overboard with restrictions without giving a fu** about the other side of the equation. Much harder to balance both. Without a doubt those states have done a much better job of managing covid and spurrier should be held to account.

And what are we holding her to account for?

 

[Contested Marx]

Complete furphy of an argument. Why are we patting spurrier on the back for taking a completely uncompromising view on restrictions when other places have managed to achieve the same health outcomes but with more freedoms (Qld, NT, WA, Tas)? It's easy to just go overboard with restrictions without giving a fu** about the other side of the equation. Much harder to balance both. Without a doubt those states have done a much better job of managing covid and spurrier should be held to account.

SA has had fewer cases and deaths than all the states you've compared it to (not to ignore the NT with very few cases and no deaths however)

Not sure what case Spurrier should be held account to other than tending towards the cautious end of the reasonable decision spectrum






(Edit: Tas had fewer cases than SA as well, however point still stands)

 

[TeeKray]

What economic collapse

There has been no economic collapse due to government intervention. The effects of taking on all of that debt will not be known for a while. It may be big, it may be small. We certainly wouldn't want another GFC type event in the next decade or so. Only time will tell.

Interestingly on the more micro scale, I suspect there have been significantly more people impacted financially by covid in Australia leading to mental health issues, divorce, homelessness, suicide, etc, than there have been covid deaths. These people are usually forgotten in the 'Australia has done so well!' narrative - which we have, but there are still thousands of people in our communities whose lives have been destroyed by the side effects of covid.

 

[Harlott]

There has been no economic collapse due to government intervention. The effects of taking on all of that debt will not be known for a while. It may be big, it may be small. We certainly wouldn't want another GFC type event in the next decade or so. Only time will tell.

Interestingly on the more micro scale, I suspect there have been significantly more people impacted financially by covid in Australia leading to mental health issues, divorce, homelessness, suicide, etc, than there have been covid deaths. These people are usually forgotten in the 'Australia has done so well!' narrative - which we have, but there are still thousands of people in our communities whose lives have been destroyed by the side effects of covid.

Why wouldn’t we want another GFC? Natural economic selection/correction and all that.
Also it’s wonderful all those conditions have now become a bit more important as part of the narrative due to covid for some punters.

 

[Interstater]

"South Australians have worked extraordinarily hard over the last 19 months. They've stood shoulder to shoulder together," Mr Marshall said.

How do you stand shoulder to shoulder when you are social distancing.

Just wondering.

 

[pastmyprimus]

There has been no economic collapse due to government intervention. The effects of taking on all of that debt will not be known for a while. It may be big, it may be small. We certainly wouldn't want another GFC type event in the next decade or so. Only time will tell.

Interestingly on the more micro scale, I suspect there have been significantly more people impacted financially by covid in Australia leading to mental health issues, divorce, homelessness, suicide, etc, than there have been covid deaths. These people are usually forgotten in the 'Australia has done so well!' narrative - which we have, but there are still thousands of people in our communities whose lives have been destroyed by the side effects of covid.

We are lucky to live in a country that can provide economic support to businesses and workers during times like this.

On your second statement that needs to be balanced against not just actual deaths and hospitalisations but against avoided deaths and hospitalisations because of the lockdowns and restrictions. We've avoided a lot of deaths by not letting covid run free, and that number exceeds actual deaths by a big margin. Overseas experience demonstrates that.

And when covid runs free you get a rise in mental health issues etc because people can't get access to proper health care/other services or are afraid to access health care. Plus you get innocents dying like heart attack, stroke and motor vehicle accident victims because hospital systems are overwhelmed. Excess deaths analysis tells you that happened in the USA and countries in Europe. Covid destroys the lives of families who have a member die of covid but also families who lose a loved one through death indirectly caused by covid.

Alpha was bad enough but delta is more contagious and there are some reports it's more deadly. So the protective measures have saved more lives and avoided more hospitalisations.

This argument won't be settled on this board. At some point a proper analysis will be done comparing the health and economic costs of different strategies adopted in dealing with covid.

 

[manureid]

Complete furphy of an argument. Why are we patting spurrier on the back for taking a completely uncompromising view on restrictions when other places have managed to achieve the same health outcomes but with more freedoms (Qld, NT, WA, Tas)? It's easy to just go overboard with restrictions without giving a fu** about the other side of the equation. Much harder to balance both. Without a doubt those states have done a much better job of managing covid and spurrier should be held to account.

Yeh, Melbourne and Sydney have done a much better job at managing Covid outbreaks...is this for real what you are talking about? Those lockdowns they have had have been amazingly well balanced.

 

[Interstater]

I'm curious how much money our government printed vs how much they gave away.

Will have to work out where to get these figures from.

I have a vague recollection that we were printing about 4 billion/month.
During a time when only Australia prints money the effect is to devalue our currency.
As everyone was printing money obviously our currency has remained at a similar value (75.0 US).

 

[TeeKray]

Also it’s wonderful all those conditions have now become a bit more important as part of the narrative due to covid for some punters.

Don't disagree that some people and prominent commentators who couldn't give a toss about issues like mental health, unemployment and suicide have used those things to support their positions on covid. I'm not one of them.

 

[Duckimus Prime]

Interestingly on the more micro scale, I suspect there have been significantly more people impacted financially by covid in Australia leading to mental health issues, divorce, homelessness, suicide, etc, than there have been covid deaths. These people are usually forgotten in the 'Australia has done so well!' narrative - which we have, but there are still thousands of people in our communities whose lives have been destroyed by the side effects of covid.

Ah the claims to lockdowns increasing suicides... they went down in 2020 compared to pre-pandemic 2019.

 

[El Zorro]

I am glad I spent this pandemic in South Australia. It'd be difficult to find a better place in the developed world over the past 18-24 months. Definitely not Sydney or Melbourne.