Corona virus, Port and the AFL.

[StrappingTape]

Get corona -> die

Couldn't have possibly been the corona!

The fact that coding people WITH it does infact mean it could possibly have not been it...

Clearly hyperbole and it's quite pathetic that contrarian/denier/tinfoil crowd singles out this graph as if it's some kind of smoking gun, ignoring the thousands of others published papers and global consensus.

The key conclusion that the planet is warmer now than it has been on the past 1000 years has been proven 100% correct.

Look I'm not going to derail this thread on it. I'll take that as a yes you know it's a fraudulent graph, sorry for making a joke referencing it because I clearly hit your Gaia sensitivity module.

 

[Magus]

Hang on, this is a revelation to you? That a full coronial investigation hasn't gone into every single death to determine what percentage of responsibility is Covid's and what percentage is something else?

I think most of us were kind of taking that for granted.

They were also, wait for it.....old!

 

[El Zorro]

Cool story bro, what's your point?

That a few people are arguing that some cases of COVID-19 are miscounted because of pre-existing or opportunistic conditions combining with the virus to cause the person's death. I thought that was pretty obvious, especially for someone with such a deep level of virology and epidemiology like yourself.

 

[StrappingTape]

They were also, wait for it.....old!

wait for it, old asymptomatic person comes in dies from heart attack, body tested reveals corona, death marked as Corona victim.

 

[raman]

*face palm* just go back and read the last 15 pages if you need help working it out.

I've never been that bored. So what pray tell is the great agenda the media and the medicos are serving by making Covid seem worse than it is?

 

[raman]

wait for it, old asymptomatic person comes in dies from heart attack, body tested reveals corona, death marked as Corona victim.

a) you don't know that that's happening
b) suppose for the sake of argument it is happening, what's your theory as to why they're doing it?

 

[Del165198]

What's your end game here? What have you got to gain by trolling a thread about coronavirus or do you just naturally like irritating people?

 

[StrappingTape]

That a few people are arguing that some cases of COVID-19 are miscounted because of pre-existing or opportunistic conditions combining with the virus to cause the person's death. I thought that was pretty obvious, especially for someone with such a deep level of virology and epidemiology like yourself.

No one argues that it's a miscount, it's deliberate in a lot of countries and now the US is doing it. The point the whole world wants to know is what exactly are we dealing with here, we need clean info if we are to make models that have some semblance in reality to what's going on. I'm not going to go over the argument from the last 15 pages again, just to butt up against people with a willful misrepresentation of any points.

 

[StrappingTape]

What's your end game here? What have you got to gain by trolling a thread about coronavirus or do you just naturally like irritating people?

How am I trolling? You been on that reddit thread yet to call the guy a 'just the flu' conspiracy theorist yet? Or are you just trolling to?

 

[Magus]

wait for it, old asymptomatic person comes in dies from heart attack, body tested reveals corona, death marked as Corona victim.

I'm sure that's happened so many times that the data is totally skewed and this is all blown out of proportion.

Because that's so obviously the point you're skirting around making without actually having the guts to say.

 

[Forzaport]

You realise the guy making the bad graph has said the same thing you called us "JUST THE FLU" for yesterday?

Also, it was apt as the graph resembled quite accurately one of the biggest scientific frauds of the last century, I just figured maybe he'd borrowed his algorithm. You can be a climate believer/denier/agnostic but you're a complete moron if you still believe that graph and scientist has any place in the conversation anymore. In a non politicised scientific field he'd have nuked his own career for good with that and anyone associated with it.

The graph I posted highlights the potential impact COVID-19 can have over and above seasonal flu, it's intentionally plotted that way to drive that point home and the raw data is freely available. In comparison, the raw data for the climate change hockey stick graph still hasn't been released by Mann. Is something wrong with the graph that I'm missing?

 

[raman]

No one argues that it's a miscount, it's deliberate in a lot of countries and now the US is doing it.

For the third time in as many minutes... why are they doing it?

 

[StrappingTape]

a) you don't know that that's happening
b) suppose for the sake of argument it is happening, what's your theory as to why they're doing it?

a) I linked a video where they literally say that's what's happening.
b) because they know their data is shit but this isn't going to help it

 

[StrappingTape]

The graph I posted highlights the potential impact COVID-19 can have over and above seasonal flu, it's intentionally plotted that way to drive that point home and the raw data is freely available. In comparison, the raw data for the climate change hockey stick graph still hasn't been released by Mann. Is something wrong with the graph that I'm missing?

That was directed as sobrave who was having a fit because of junk climate science being derided

 

[bomberclifford]

I did, he states something we did on here last night and got labelled as 'just the flu' people, how ironic.

"I’d also be wary of treating the COVID numbers as more accurate—as others have pointed out, the nature of the virus means lots of people are getting it who would have died anyway and our lack of testing means that deaths that might have been attributed to flu-associated pneumonia in a normal year will be attributed to COVID.

I think what we’re all finding is that our mortality data is surprisingly messy when you scratch at it at all, so it’s not as simple as we’ve become accustomed to with causality counts from accidents, disasters and combat."

Yes. As I posted above, there's also issues with the data going the other way with deaths from COVID not being attributed to it unless they had tested positively to it prior.

Everyone understands the data is not perfect, it never is. Attempting to find an absolute truth in the numbers is folly.

What the numbers tell us, in conjunction with the anecdotal evidence of medicos in the hotspots around the world, is that this swamps health systems and kills a lot of people, on top of your usual mortality rates.

That's why we're locking down, in an attempt to avoid that scenario.

It's not certain, even with our low numbers, that we have avoided it yet.

 

[Del165198]

That was directed as sobrave who was having a fit because of junk climate science being derided

Care to debunk the tens of thousands of published scientific papers and global consensus? Or would you prefer to single out one graph from over a decade ago? The world has moved on and the climate denial nutters are still clinging stubbornly to the bowl refusing to flush.

 

[StrappingTape]

I'm sure that's happened so many times that the data is totally skewed and this is all blown out of proportion.

Because that's so obviously the point you're skirting around making without actually having the guts to say.

is it what I want to say? News to me? I'm pretty sure nothing I've argued the last 15 or so pages has anything to do with me wanting to say it's all blown out of the proportion. I've said consistently that I'm concerned about the data and the models and how we need to know it's impacts more accurately because I'm concerned about the economic impact on people's lives with suicides etc. I'm baffled how tha tall goes out the window and anyone who even wants to know this stuff is magically told they think it's 'just the flu'.

 

[raman]

a) I linked a video where they literally say that's what's happening.

LOL! No they don't! She begins "If you come to ICU with the virus...". You transmorphed that into "old asymptomatic person comes in..."

Again. Comprehension.

b) because they know their data is shit but this isn't going to help it

OK so if the data is shit they're just doing their jobs badly. But again your harping on this point implies that there's something more to it than that.

 

[StrappingTape]

Care to debunk the tens of thousands of published scientific papers and global consensus? Or would you prefer to single out one graph from over a decade ago? The world has moved on and the climate denial nutters are still clinging stubbornly to the bowl refusing to flush.

Again I'm not having an argument about climate change, I was merely using that fraud for a joke but you clearly have a passion for junk science if it confirms your bias so I'll leave it at that on this topic. I'll happily discuss climate change with you in private message if you like but I'll go out on a short limb and think that your minds pretty much made up there.

 

[Del165198]

Again I'm not having an argument about climate change, I was merely using that fraud for a joke but you clearly have a passion for junk science if it confirms your bias so I'll leave it at that on this topic. I'll happily discuss climate change with you in private message if you like but I'll go out on a short limb and think that your minds pretty much made up there.

Lol I'm not getting into a debate with you. The climate denial argument is literally pseudoscience blogs and a few nutters on youtube. It's beyond debate and has been for decades.

But you're an antagonistic campaigner and I'm sick of your rubbish so on the ignore list you go

 

[Magus]

is it what I want to say? News to me? I'm pretty sure nothing I've argued the last 15 or so pages has anything to do with me wanting to say it's all blown out of the proportion. I've said consistently that I'm concerned about the data and the models and how we need to know it's impacts more accurately because I'm concerned about the economic impact on people's lives with suicides etc. I'm baffled how tha tall goes out the window and anyone who even wants to know this stuff is magically told they think it's 'just the flu'.

You're concerned about the data because you think it's severity is exaggerated. Just say it.

 

[StrappingTape]

Lol I'm not getting into a debate with you. The climate denial argument is literally pseudoscience blogs and a few nutters on youtube. It's beyond debate and has been for decades.

But you're an antagonistic campaigner and I'm sick of your rubbish so on the ignore list you go

Wow, someone a Dr Mann fan or what? Geez talk about an over reaction. I'm not trying to antagonise anyone, just discuss Covid.

 

[StrappingTape]

You're concerned about the data because you think it's severity is exaggerated. Just say it.

Again, if you have actually read my posts this is not at all what I'm saying. Other people have made the same point but also given up against this incomprehensible brick wall of thought that wanting to know exactly what is going on with good data = 'just the flu'. If I didn't think it was serious I wouldn't be on here discussing it. It is a massive problem that none of the modelling is matching what is happening now and it's also a massive issue that we need to address in getting the economy going again and people back to work, they are not two separate problems. Many people including myself have been over this for the last 20 odd pages now and still you keep putting words in our mouths.

 

[NEGAN]

Again, if you have actually read my posts this is not at all what I'm saying. Other people have made the same point but also given up against this incomprehensible brick wall of thought that wanting to know exactly what is going on with good data = 'just the flu'. If I didn't think it was serious I wouldn't be on here discussing it. It is a massive problem that none of the modelling is matching what is happening now and it's also a massive issue that we need to address in getting the economy going again and people back to work, they are not two separate problems. Many people including myself have been over this for the last 20 odd pages now and still you keep putting words in our mouths.

It concerns me that some do not understand the full ramifications of a shut down of the worlds economy's....

 

[raman]

Again, if you have actually read my posts this is not at all what I'm saying. Other people have made the same point but also given up against this incomprehensible brick wall of thought that wanting to know exactly what is going on with good data = 'just the flu'. If I didn't think it was serious I wouldn't be on here discussing it. It is a massive problem that none of the modelling is matching what is happening now and it's also a massive issue that we need to address in getting the economy going again and people back to work, they are not two separate problems. Many people including myself have been over this for the last 20 odd pages now and still you keep putting words in our mouths.

Maybe people would stop making assumptions about your motivations if you answered direct questions about your motivations.