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My son lives at his girlfriends house 12 days in every fortnight. They spend one weekend in two at ours.
We live about an hour away (they are near Gawler in SA, we are in the eastern foothills).

Are they allowed to come over tomorrow?

My wife just had a fit when I told her that my interpretation is that they cannot come over.
This may help sway your wife's thinking.

NSW Premier orders Minister sprung staying at holiday house back to Sydney
 
There wasn't any on the shelves when I went through there last night...

Didn't see that shitgibbon though, there was some old prick throwing a hissy fit because the checkout lines were moving too slowly for him. What with people having to pack their own bags now and not having access to bag holder things that make it easier.

Also got plenty of dirty looks because I bought ten boxes of the Felix Kitten food (there was still six left on the shelf). fu** them though, I'm involved in running a rescue and that was barely one weeks supply.

That store recently had a whole semi of toilet paper delivered. Twenty pallets or something stupid like that. Didn't even last the day, lol.

They don't get their deliveries until late, around 8pm, because then manager didn't want a storeroom full of stock (they be paranoid about too much stock out back in case the bigwigs visit, it's frowned upon muchly.)

Whereas we get our shit around 12-1pm each day. The bulk - tissues, toilet paper, paper towels - goes straight out onto the shop floor. The toilet paper is all gone before 2pm, lmao.

fmd, I tell people this shit every day, every f@%kin day, and every day the same people come in five minutes before the store shuts asking for toilet paper and I'm like...

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Go for a heckin'g walk or a run, lift something heavy in the grudge.. grow up

Grow up? **** theres some self righteous w***ers in this thread.

I know the gym I belong to, people were seriously depressed about the thought of extended time away. The sense of belonging that comes with being involved in a team is a major part of some peoples lives.

If you think I am saying they should be open now, you have misinterpreted my post
 

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From last night's 7.30.

LEIGH SALES, PRESENTER: 15-years-ago, an American infectious diseases expert predicted a global pandemic, like coronavirus, would cause pretty much everything that we’re currently living through.

Dr Michael Osterholm outlined a battle plan to get through it in his book, “Deadliest Enemy: Our War Against Killer Germs,” set to be re-released next week
.

Dr Osterholm, you have been warning about a pandemic for more than a decade - and yet from SARS, to Ebola, to now this very severe one, we keep getting caught by surprise and on the back foot. Why?

DR MICHAEL OSTERHOLM: I think first of all we really lack creative imagination. And what I mean by that is no-one could have envisioned - so they say - all the constellation of things that have happened here, not just the - a virus crossing from an animal to a human, but that the worldwide transmission, the impact that it has on healthcare, the fact that it also shuts down our global economy, and ironically, those were things we actually published back in 2005 in a series of articles I did back then.
And then, of course, elaborated in our book in 2017. Actually one of the chapters is a theoretical kind of scenario caused by an influenza virus, which could very well be a coronavirus.
So we should have been able to consider this and be better prepared. We just weren't.

LEIGH SALES: How close is what's happening now to that theoretical situation that you wrote about?

DR MICHAEL OSTERHOLM: Well, actually, it's unfortunately very close to it. I actually, I theorise that this virus would show up in China, that it would start outbreaks there, there would be severe spread around the world, that we would see the kind of shutdown of the global
economy that we have seen, that it would overrun our hospitals' Intensive Care Units, in many areas of the world and then unfortunately the part where the chapter diverges right now, is not really a sense of difference, in fact, it just carries it out for what will likely be 16-20 months of ongoing illness occurring in our communities around the world, which is what an influenza pandemic would do.
I fear very much that reality will catch up with the fiction that I wrote in that book.


LEIGH SALES: Is there any way that can be avoided?

DR MICHAEL OSTERHOLM: Well, there really are only two avenues you can take right now. You might say that - appear to be on either side of what we can do.
One is, we just try to basically shut down the world. Much like was done at least temporarily in China in Wuhan. And that, of course, would bring economic devastation to the world. I don't think it could actually really be done because people wouldn't stay in their homes for 18 months. The other side of the coin is one where we just say, "OK. It is going to happen. And we let the cases unfold as they might."
And then we're really in trouble because our healthcare systems around the world will fall very quickly.
Not only will millions of patients die - not just from COVID-19 but even from all the other conditions that they are not able to be adequately treated for like heart attacks, strokes, asthma attacks, because of the inability of healthcare to respond - and we will lose many, many healthcare workers in that process.
Now, I don't believe either of those are the right way. I think we have got to find a middle ground where we in a sense, thread the needle with the rope and make that work, where we find a way to release enough in society of younger individual, who are not likely to have severe disease, particularly not likely to die and that we actually start to incorporate them back into an active every day life.
And then when we have evidence that the virus is not circulating widely, we surely let other members of our society make further decisions for themselves.
But they are able to come out some. And as soon as we see the virus activity picking up, immediately do the shelter in place again, and try to squelch it.
The whole thesis here is that we try to get to a time, where we will have a vaccine, which is hopefully 20 months or so away.
And then at that point, then if we can vaccinate the world, we don't have to worry anymore.

LEIGH SALES: So, you have some kind of a limited lockdown that waxes and wanes?

DR MICHAEL OSTERHOLM: Right. Until we have a vaccine, the only other way we are going to develop immunity in the population - and this virus will continue to circulate until we have a high level- is from getting the disease themselves.
And of course, with that comes the serious illness, the deaths, and that is what we want to avoid. Somehow we have got to figure out how we can get the most number of people infected, you might say, by living life, without causing serious disease and deaths.

At the same time, protecting - they’re almost bubbling those people who are more likely to have severe disease.
Now, that may seem like an impossible task but right now, it is really our only choice.
Otherwise either shutdown or don't worry. Of course, if you don't worry, one will be catastrophic.

LEIGH SALES: Other recent pandemics didn't permanently change our preparedness for pandemics - do you think this one might be different?

DR MICHAEL OSTERHOLM: I think it is going to be very hard for us to forget this one. This will go down in our history much like 1918 went down in the history of our parents and grandparents.
Now we have the technology to better prepare ourselves, we can make vaccines - even if they are not the exact vaccine for this virus, they can quickly be loaded with this, parts of this virus that could make them be more effective. We also know now, that we have to be absolutely concerned about our healthcare systems and what do we mean by surge capacity?We can no longer gnaw our healthcare systems down to the bone.
 
I've talked a bit about the NZ modelling that was released around the 30th March. Norman Swan talked to a couple of profs about their modelling and an Oz model last night on 7.30.


......

DR NORMAN SWAN: Professor Jodie McVernon is one of the leaders of the modelling group that the Australian Government has funded at the Doherty Institute.

PROFESSOR JODIE MCVERNON: All of us as modellers were putting scenarios to our government, those of us who were working with those were jaw dropping. We were taken seriously. The measures that were put in place earlier reflected that. And then it was about having an ongoing discussion about what this actually meant, in terms of what could be done.

DR NORMAN SWAN: What the modelling didn't and doesn't do is offer a path to the effective elimination of spread - in other words, driving it down to very low levels. Which is what the New Zealand modelling has done.

PROFESSOR MIKHAIL PROKOPENKO, UNIVERSITY OF SYDNEY: So it’s not impossible that we could get to New Zealand to, if not total eradication, but to real control sooner.

DR NORMAN SWAN: Models exist to allow health officials and decision makers, to test the impact of the various choices before them.

ASSOCIATE PROFESSOR KAMALINI LOKUGE, ANU: So, the modelling up-to-date has helped us understand what would happen if we didn't put in measures like social distancing, measures like quarantining, measures like border control.
Now modelling and all the other public health tools that we have at our disposal, need to support us in looking, planning and preparing for eliminating this disease from our country, and making sure we stay free of it as we start lifting those measures we put in place.
......

DR NORMAN SWAN: There are growing pressures to relax social distancing very soon and get life back to some semblance of normality. But there are risks.

PROFESSOR JODIE MCVERNON: This is a highly contagious virus. So, the distancing measures that are in place at the moment appear to be doing a very effective job of suppressing the rate of growth. But that is because they are in place. If we ease up on the virus, it is still what it is. It is still highly infectious, and this is why we need a considered approach to taking those next steps.
 
A place where gains are made and selfies are taken.

Its a place where we men feel safe making women who are getting fit uncomfortable.

At least it was the last time I was in one in 2007
 
From last night's 7.30.

LEIGH SALES, PRESENTER: 15-years-ago, an American infectious diseases expert predicted a global pandemic, like coronavirus, would cause pretty much everything that we’re currently living through.

Dr Michael Osterholm outlined a battle plan to get through it in his book, “Deadliest Enemy: Our War Against Killer Germs,” set to be re-released next week
.

Dr Osterholm, you have been warning about a pandemic for more than a decade - and yet from SARS, to Ebola, to now this very severe one, we keep getting caught by surprise and on the back foot. Why?

DR MICHAEL OSTERHOLM: I think first of all we really lack creative imagination. And what I mean by that is no-one could have envisioned - so they say - all the constellation of things that have happened here, not just the - a virus crossing from an animal to a human, but that the worldwide transmission, the impact that it has on healthcare, the fact that it also shuts down our global economy, and ironically, those were things we actually published back in 2005 in a series of articles I did back then.
And then, of course, elaborated in our book in 2017. Actually one of the chapters is a theoretical kind of scenario caused by an influenza virus, which could very well be a coronavirus.
So we should have been able to consider this and be better prepared. We just weren't.

LEIGH SALES: How close is what's happening now to that theoretical situation that you wrote about?

DR MICHAEL OSTERHOLM: Well, actually, it's unfortunately very close to it. I actually, I theorise that this virus would show up in China, that it would start outbreaks there, there would be severe spread around the world, that we would see the kind of shutdown of the global
economy that we have seen, that it would overrun our hospitals' Intensive Care Units, in many areas of the world and then unfortunately the part where the chapter diverges right now, is not really a sense of difference, in fact, it just carries it out for what will likely be 16-20 months of ongoing illness occurring in our communities around the world, which is what an influenza pandemic would do.
I fear very much that reality will catch up with the fiction that I wrote in that book.


LEIGH SALES: Is there any way that can be avoided?

DR MICHAEL OSTERHOLM: Well, there really are only two avenues you can take right now. You might say that - appear to be on either side of what we can do.
One is, we just try to basically shut down the world. Much like was done at least temporarily in China in Wuhan. And that, of course, would bring economic devastation to the world. I don't think it could actually really be done because people wouldn't stay in their homes for 18 months. The other side of the coin is one where we just say, "OK. It is going to happen. And we let the cases unfold as they might."
And then we're really in trouble because our healthcare systems around the world will fall very quickly.
Not only will millions of patients die - not just from COVID-19 but even from all the other conditions that they are not able to be adequately treated for like heart attacks, strokes, asthma attacks, because of the inability of healthcare to respond - and we will lose many, many healthcare workers in that process.
Now, I don't believe either of those are the right way. I think we have got to find a middle ground where we in a sense, thread the needle with the rope and make that work, where we find a way to release enough in society of younger individual, who are not likely to have severe disease, particularly not likely to die and that we actually start to incorporate them back into an active every day life.
And then when we have evidence that the virus is not circulating widely, we surely let other members of our society make further decisions for themselves.
But they are able to come out some. And as soon as we see the virus activity picking up, immediately do the shelter in place again, and try to squelch it.
The whole thesis here is that we try to get to a time, where we will have a vaccine, which is hopefully 20 months or so away.
And then at that point, then if we can vaccinate the world, we don't have to worry anymore.

LEIGH SALES: So, you have some kind of a limited lockdown that waxes and wanes?

DR MICHAEL OSTERHOLM: Right. Until we have a vaccine, the only other way we are going to develop immunity in the population - and this virus will continue to circulate until we have a high level- is from getting the disease themselves.
And of course, with that comes the serious illness, the deaths, and that is what we want to avoid. Somehow we have got to figure out how we can get the most number of people infected, you might say, by living life, without causing serious disease and deaths.

At the same time, protecting - they’re almost bubbling those people who are more likely to have severe disease.
Now, that may seem like an impossible task but right now, it is really our only choice.
Otherwise either shutdown or don't worry. Of course, if you don't worry, one will be catastrophic.

LEIGH SALES: Other recent pandemics didn't permanently change our preparedness for pandemics - do you think this one might be different?

DR MICHAEL OSTERHOLM: I think it is going to be very hard for us to forget this one. This will go down in our history much like 1918 went down in the history of our parents and grandparents.
Now we have the technology to better prepare ourselves, we can make vaccines - even if they are not the exact vaccine for this virus, they can quickly be loaded with this, parts of this virus that could make them be more effective. We also know now, that we have to be absolutely concerned about our healthcare systems and what do we mean by surge capacity?We can no longer gnaw our healthcare systems down to the bone.

Thanks for your updates in this thread
 
The Swedish approach compared to their Scandi neighbours. From the story

Malcolm Brabant:
The Swedish anti-virus campaign is being led, not by the country's prime minister, but by Anders Tegnell, an epidemiologist with the experience of fighting Ebola in Africa.


 
The Swedish approach compared to their Scandi neighbours. From the story

Malcolm Brabant:
The Swedish anti-virus campaign is being led, not by the country's prime minister, but by Anders Tegnell, an epidemiologist with the experience of fighting Ebola in Africa.




Sweden 726 new cases yesterday. Things are going to get quite ugly quite quickly in Sweden. 8,419 cases so far with 687 deaths.
 

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In Whyalla apparently 4 - 9 cases. Really???? Can we have more info please. Im thinking around Drs Surgerys because two have shut the doors.

Also, whos hands look like a leathery turtles nut sack from all the washing with sanitiser? My hands are that dry you could skin them and use them for a saddle bag up Mt Everest.
 
Please give me immediate feedback on this one.

My son lives at his girlfriends house 12 days in every fortnight. They spend one weekend in two at ours.
We live about an hour away (they are near Gawler in SA, we are in the eastern foothills).

Are they allowed to come over tomorrow?

My wife just had a fit when I told her that my interpretation is that they cannot come over.
In SA it’s a case of you shouldn’t, but there’s no law against it.
 
Well no but I wouldn't want to have one at the best of times. I understand your point and it makes sense to avoid that scenario but when it hasn't happened to most of the world then that's when it's time to start looking at the actual data and get a better handle on what really have instead of everyone preparing for the worst based on Italy which more and more looks unique to them and their neighbours. NYC for example still has capacity after it was expected to run out of ventilators and capacity a couple of weeks back and they built out the central park temporary hospital to put other non COVID patients, didn't Melbourne convert their entertainment centre or something to also prepare for the onslaught of victims etc. People just want to be informed of the actual data that's happening and it's fine to do that and still tell people what we are doing now is very necessary to avert the danger.

Nah.

How about there are countries and regions within countries (Lombardy, Madrid, New York) where the virus got away with serious community transmission. When this happens, it overwhelms the health system in that region and people die, either from the virus itself or from something else which would not have been fatal under normal circumstances. Pretty much every country or region has seen this happen and flipped from "She'll be right mate" to "lockdown". Where that has happened soon enough, South Australia might be a good example, or Slovenia where I live, it seems to be manageable. When you do this after it gets going it is too late. The "unique" things about Italy and Spain, and France and maybe more culpably the UK, is not demographics, it is the virus was out and about in the community and either the government was too late or the people didn't take it seriously and we have what we have.
 
In SA it’s a case of you shouldn’t, but there’s no law against it.

As I read it you can be fined if your trip is deemed unnecessary. As tomorrow is Good Friday the shops will be shut as will schools and other educational institutions. That will probably increase the chances of being pulled over and asked where you are going but they are not going to be able to stop every car on the road. You could always chuck a couple of rolls of bog paper on the seat and say you are taking them to your relies place as they have run out. Compassionate needs if you like.

From the SA Government website,

You should stay at home unless it’s necessary to go out. Necessary is defined as:
  • Shopping for what you need
  • For medical care or compassionate needs
  • To exercise, provided it is in compliance with the gathering rules
  • For work and education if you cannot work or learn remotely
Stay home if you are unwell.

People aged over 70, aged over 60 with pre-existing conditions, or Indigenous people aged over 50 should stay home wherever possible for their own protection.
Social distancing of 1.5 m should be practiced at all times.

Anyone who fails to comply with the direction may be fined.
  • Individuals may be issued with a $1,000 on-the-spot fine.
  • Businesses may be issued with a $5,000 on-the-spot fine.
 
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As I read it you can be fined if your trip is deemed unnecessary. As tomorrow is Good Friday the shops will be shut as will schools and other educational institutions. That will probably increase the chances of being pulled over and asked where you are going but they are not going to be able to stop every car on the road. You could always chuck a couple of rolls of bog paper on the seat and say you are taking them to your relies place as they have run out. A mercy dash if you like.

From the SA Government website,

You should stay at home unless it’s necessary to go out. Necessary is defined as:
  • Shopping for what you need
  • For medical care or compassionate needs
  • To exercise, provided it is in compliance with the gathering rules
  • For work and education if you cannot work or learn remotely
Stay home if you are unwell.

People aged over 70, aged over 60 with pre-existing conditions, or Indigenous people aged over 50 should stay home wherever possible for their own protection.
Social distancing of 1.5 m should be practiced at all times.

Anyone who fails to comply with the direction may be fined.
  • Individuals may be issued with a $1,000 on-the-spot fine.
  • Businesses may be issued with a $5,000 on-the-spot fine.
Key word should. SA have not enforced the 2 person limit and has kept it at 10.



Gatherings
More than two people
Gatherings of more than two people are strongly discouraged. You can meet with more than two people as long as you use social distancing of 1.5 metres. Gatherings of more than 10 people are prohibited.
 
Word around using South Aus as a test case to go back to work, and life as normal. Sweden already doing this. Numbers not favourable if youre an oldy.
 
Word around using South Aus as a test case to go back to work, and life as normal. Sweden already doing this. Numbers not favourable if youre an oldy.

Even if SA becomes a test case (also heard WA could be a test case too), you're not going to see life just return to normal. It will be a very slow and gradual process. At the absolute bare minimum, as Past my primus said earlier today, elderly, aboriginal and Torres Strait people, immunocompromised etc will remain with these current restrictions for their own safety. I personally think any lifting of restrictions will be extremely minimal at first, simply to ensure that if lifting anything is a mistake, that it can be quickly rectified.
 
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