Corona virus, Port and the AFL.

[rocket18]

Renewables have reached their physical limits and do not provide a reliable source of electricity. There’s only 1 technology available today that produces no carbon emissions and is a reliable source of electricity.

Yep and the Greens and Labour are dead against it and as you say it is the only way to have NO carbon emissions AND is reliable and plentiful source of electricity. Their ideology backed them into a corner giving us the worst global warming outcome for electricity generation.

 

[Enviable Tradition]

Sweden continues to be a model of how not to do it. Now up to 11,445 positives with 1033 deaths. Multiply that by 2.5 and you have the Australian population comparison. On a population basis if we followed Sweden's example we could have 28,613 positives and 2,583 deaths by now with around 1250 positives tests a day.

The only thing that has stopped Sweden from becoming another Spain, Italy or New York is population density. The relatively small population of 10.4 million means the infection numbers and death rate is not that high.

Crazy stuff and probably too late for the Swedes to change tack.

Sweden have also flattened the curve relatively quickly. It will be interesting to compare their approach to other countries as those other countries open back up.

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[Grave Danger]

Shoppers have stopped hoarding and instead are bunkering down with sharp falls in spending across the board with Victorian and NSW consumers snapping their wallets tight.
Figures compiled by the Commonwealth Bank based on its extensive credit and debit card network suggests the combination of coronavirus-linked shutdowns and early hoarding is now hitting the entire retail sector.
In the week to April 10, spending on clothing is now 58 per cent lower than for the same time last year. Transport spending (44 per cent), personal care and beauty products (61 per cent) and recreation (37 per cent) have also recorded huge falls.

The empty supermarket shelves say that they are still hoarding - the other items mentioned are due to the lockdown measures. And not having any money left after hoarding toilet paper, hand sanitizer, pasta and rice. Or being laid off.

 

[NEGAN]

New York’s death toll skyrockets

Most New York children “probably” already have coronavirus and are serving as vectors to spread the disease, a New York paediatrician says.

www.news.com.au

"The revised death toll in New York City comes as the city’s health department added 3778 more deaths, officially listing them as probable causes.

Many of those people died in nursing homes and private homes and were not tested but are deemed to have had the virus"

^ wtf does this even mean.....

Do they have it or don't they?

 

[Holden Hillbilly]

Consumer confidence has collapsed to record the biggest monthly decline in the 47-year history of the Westpac-Melbourne Institute Index of Consumer Sentiment.
Consumer confidence plunged 17.7 per cent in February to 75.6. It is the lowest since the recession in the early 1990s and early 1980s.
"Certainly we cannot rule out the Index dropping below the historic low of 64.6 we saw in November 1990," Westpac chief economist Bill Evans said.
"The most surprising message is the collapse in confidence in the housing market."
All five component sub-indexes fell in April. By far the biggest falls were in the near term outlook for the economy and in attitudes towards spending – reflecting the immediate effects of the shut-down.
The ‘economy, next 12 months’ sub-index recorded a spectacular 31% drop (the biggest monthly fall on record), taking it to 53.7.
That compares to a low of 53.2 during the GFC and lows during previous recessions of 34.2 (early 1990s) and 42.1 (early 1980s).

 

[bomberclifford]

New York’s death toll skyrockets

Most New York children “probably” already have coronavirus and are serving as vectors to spread the disease, a New York paediatrician says.

www.news.com.au

"The revised death toll in New York City comes as the city’s health department added 3778 more deaths, officially listing them as probable causes.

Many of those people died in nursing homes and private homes and were not tested but are deemed to have had the virus"

^ wtf does this even mean.....

Do they have it or don't they?

It means they had the symptoms but were not tested before they died.

The key is in this bit: "officially listing them as probable causes".

 

[DaTBird187]

Well done to John-Paul Drake.

Apparently last week some dickhead who had stockpiled 5000 rolls of toilet paper rang Drakes looking for a refund. All he got was a spray from Mr Drake. This low life was apparently advertising the rolls on E Bay until his account was shut down so he tried Drakes for a refund.

Some where in Adelaide there is a low life hoarder sitting on a shed load of shit paper.

My partner used to go Raving with him back in the day. When she saw him on the TV last week she was like "Man, he hasn't aged well".

 

[edgie]

Carn edge
Does the population get a choice about whether a new coal mine goes ahead?
33% of our CO2 emissions relate to the generation of electricity. Is it the population's fault multiple governments are still dragging the chain on renewables?

Lots of people have made the choice to ditch a personal vehicle, minimise air travel etc but they get labelled as crazy inner city types who don't live in the real world for their trouble.

People can do their bit but unless the global economy joins in then it's not enough

They do? So inner city types aren't having overseas holidays or if they do they use boats?

Yes, the government is to blame, but when it comes to 'climate change' (**** I hate that term) activists, they do a lot less on an individual level than others groups of activists.

Yes, renewable would be great, but til then, if the current ways of generation of electricity bothers you, I dunno, consider using less? Consider not needing the newest things needing materials dug up by mines all over the world for no good reason?

 

[Jason K]

New York’s death toll skyrockets

Most New York children “probably” already have coronavirus and are serving as vectors to spread the disease, a New York paediatrician says.

www.news.com.au

"The revised death toll in New York City comes as the city’s health department added 3778 more deaths, officially listing them as probable causes.

Many of those people died in nursing homes and private homes and were not tested but are deemed to have had the virus"

^ wtf does this even mean.....

Do they have it or don't they?

 

[Lagooner]

They do? So inner city types aren't having overseas holidays or if they do they use boats?

Yes, the government is to blame, but when it comes to 'climate change' (fu** I hate that term) activists, they do a lot less on an individual level than others groups of activists.

Yes, renewable would be great, but til then, if the current ways of generation of electricity bothers you, I dunno, consider using less? Consider not needing the newest things needing materials dug up by mines all over the world for no good reason?

When are you trading in the HQ for a Camira?

 

[Portology]

Renewables have reached their physical limits and do not provide a reliable source of electricity. There’s only 1 technology available today that produces no carbon emissions and is a reliable source of electricity.

Ok I’ll bite. One-off digression from the topic but if you don’t go in with it neither will I

You may as well say renewables reached their physical limits 20 or 30 years ago. As they do every bloody year with shrinking die sizes for computer chips, in my world.

The rest is as unreasonable as saying you can’t get all yer protein from vegetables, and that protein powders can’t be made and stored from vegetables. It requires more diversity of sourcing, which means more complex distribution, but building a better network is worth the effort on several grounds. And storage is mostly independent of generation... policy, ownership and local market rules permitting. It’s a shame *so much* infrastructure was auctioned off in the 1990s to a virtual cartel who then kindly helped write the “market” rules by which they deliver the promised returns to their investors.




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[raptalia]

Sweden have also flattened the curve relatively quickly. It will be interesting to compare their approach to other countries as those other countries open back up.

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The Swedes haven't really flattened the curve. They have taken it from 4435 positives on 1st April to 11445 yesterday but that is still 14 consecutive days at an average of 500 new cases a day. I am not sure how good the Swedish health system is but at that rate it will not be long before it is over whelmed. The only thing that makes Sweden fly under the radar is their smaller population which means they do not have the astronomical figures that you see in Spain, New York or the UK.

FOOTNOTE: Have just learned that the Swedish army has set up a field hospital in the middle of Stockholm to cater for COVID-19 cases. Sounds like the Swedish health system is under some pressure.

 

[PAFC04]

- I had the same experience, have been on 3 cruises, with 150, 300 and 300 guests and absolutely loved it.
Waited until I was over 50 to do it though.
I love being on the water for days on end, the third trip we did, Alaska to Tokyo, had us on the ocean for 13 straight days and I would do it again asap.
I would never go on a floating Westfield though.

- There's no transcript from last nights Q and A yet but there were some interesting stats.
We are working towards having 7500 ventilators available nationwide.
The modeller was saying they were working off 1% of people needing ventilation so we could deal with 750,000 cases at a time.

I had read previously about how the symptoms affect patients but having doctors on Q&A explain the symptoms from their experience made this feel a lot closer to home. I picture it as being the equivalent of sticking your head in a bucket of water and not being able to remove it. I don't know how anyone can be flippant about this.

You can watch it here: https://www.abc.net.au/qanda/



Just read this article and have no issue with the way the three options are stated.
It is something we should be talking about.

As someone in the 50-60 age bracket, I would like to see us allow businesses to open up again with the provisio that only people under 50 can be working at the place of business. People over 50 (or vulnerable for other reasons) would be required to work from home.

I'm interested though in whether people under 50 would have the same opinion.
We just need to stop, take a deep breath (no pun intended) and plan out a way to do this taking into account the way technology can be used to do so.

My cynical side thinks that the government needed to buy the time so that the rich and powerful could get the systems in place (i.e. buy their own ventilators) before letting this rip but I hope my cynical side is wrong.

not all ventilators do what they need to do to keep one alive, some can do more harm than good depending on what stage one is at.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

It means they had the symptoms but were not tested before they died.

The key is in this bit: "officially listing them as probable causes".

Spain decided not to count them but might have if their systems weren't under so much stress. Posted this a few pages back.

Shortages led to a dire creativity, medical workers using plastic bags for protection. While supplies have improved significantly in the last two weeks, the damage has already been done in Madrid's ill-prepared nursing homes. Nearly 800 residents who tested positive have died.

But regional officials have said that almost 3,500 dead with similar symptoms are not counted in official statistics.

 

[Del165198]

They do? So inner city types aren't having overseas holidays or if they do they use boats?

Yes, the government is to blame, but when it comes to 'climate change' (fu** I hate that term) activists, they do a lot less on an individual level than others groups of activists.

Yes, renewable would be great, but til then, if the current ways of generation of electricity bothers you, I dunno, consider using less? Consider not needing the newest things needing materials dug up by mines all over the world for no good reason?

How do you know? You know all the activists personally do you? Or are you just going on when Sky News targets someone for having a phone?

Hundreds of thousands went to rallies, are they all hypocrites because they drove there in a car or happen to own a mobile phone?

People use these things because there aren't other options available. If we had a shit hot public transport system you'd see less cars. If the government subsidised electric vehicles and put stricter emissions regs in place you'd see more electric vehicles on the road.

 

[Del165198]

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Why would governments want to overreport the number of corona deaths? It's not a video game high score tally.

All logic suggests that death totals would be underreported, if anything.

If you have comorbidities, but then get corona and die in 2 weeks, then absolutely it was covid-19 that killed you.

 

[Papa G]

How do you know? You know all the activists personally do you? Or are you just going on when Sky News targets someone for having a phone?

Hundreds of thousands went to rallies, are they all hypocrites because they drove there in a car or happen to own a mobile phone?

People use these things because there aren't other options available. If we had a shit hot public transport system you'd see less cars. If the government subsidised electric vehicles and put stricter emissions regs in place you'd see more electric vehicles on the road.

How Do you reckon you'd get on without a car in Strahan or Broken Hill?

 

[Del165198]

How Do you reckon you'd get on without a car in Strahan or Broken Hill?

That's exactly my point..

 

[Magus]

How do you know? You know all the activists personally do you? Or are you just going on when Sky News targets someone for having a phone?

You can't have a crack at someone for generalizing when you're saying that all boomers tow around caravans hitched to pickup trucks.

 

[edgie]

When are you trading in the HQ for a Camira?

I'm not a climate change activist.

Also, never, on moral, ethical, financial, and social reasons.

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[edgie]

How do you know? You know all the activists personally do you? Or are you just going on when Sky News targets someone for having a phone?

Hundreds of thousands went to rallies, are they all hypocrites because they drove there in a car or happen to own a mobile phone?

People use these things because there aren't other options available. If we had a shit hot public transport system you'd see less cars. If the government subsidised electric vehicles and put stricter emissions regs in place you'd see more electric vehicles on the road.

Hundreds of thousands of people. Many many many falling in to stereotypical young people brackets where they want to balance this activism with Contiki to Europe in the winter.

Can you say they aren't? Do you know them personally?

They aren't hypocrites. Many just aren't doing their bit to fix a problem they project as really quite serious and urgent.

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[Lagooner]

I'm not a climate change activist.

Also, never, on moral, ethical, financial, and social reasons.

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Why do you care then?

 

[Del165198]

Hundreds of thousands of people. Many many many falling in to stereotypical young people brackets where they want to balance this activism with Contiki to Europe in the winter.

Can you say they aren't? Do you know them personally?

They aren't hypocrites. Many just aren't doing their bit to fix a problem they project as really quite serious and urgent.

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Neoliberalism has conned us into fighting climate change as individuals | Martin Lukacs

Stop obsessing with how personally green you live – and start collectively taking on corporate power

www.theguardian.com

 

[Magus]

Neoliberalism has conned us into fighting climate change as individuals | Martin Lukacs

Stop obsessing with how personally green you live – and start collectively taking on corporate power

www.theguardian.com

Did you read the link in that article of the top polluters? Amongst the top 10 is Russian, Indian and Chinese coal and Saudi and Iranian oil companies.
Would love to know how you bring these guys down.

 

[Interstater]

I have so much hate for these people.
- 4937 sold

36 roll pack on Coles online website normally $14.
This prick has made $125,000 (tax free of course) off peoples stress and misery, and probably caused a few older people to put themselves at significant risk.

I will never ever buy anything on ebay.