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Corona virus, Port and the AFL.
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It has been going on for centuries and if you read the article in my post above you will see that you can buy bats in markets in Indonesia. Let's find a vaccine and we will not need to worry.
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There's a good thread on Reddit about this specific theory (lab origin) and one of the most interesting posts was by an analyst who said that most information being presented to Washington right now is to guide the decision makers to make useful decisions, not to overwhelm them with irrelevant possibilities.
I don't think it's a coincidence that the lab theory has grown legs in the same 24hrs that the US Govt is making plans to remove restrictions early.
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Wiki says that the term started in Singapore in the 1970's and is more than wet from ice, it includes using water to wash away food and spraying fresh produce clean with water.Wet markets get their name from the floors that are always wet from the melted ice used to keep the seafood cold. I went to one when I was in China thirty years ago and they sell all sorts there snakes, scorpions, cockroaches you name it.
I thought the Chinese had applied some restrictions on selling native wildlife. The wet markets are OK if they stick to recognised meat, fruit, vegetables and seafood but it is the selling of 'exotics' that has to be crushed.
The article below is interesting as bats are sold across Asia and a corona virus could come from any one of thousands such markets across Asia.
China just banned the trade and consumption of wild animals. Experts think the coronavirus jumped from live animals to people at a market.
Experts think the coronavirus jumped from animals to people in a market in Wuhan, China. Officials have now banned the wildlife trade nationwide.www.businessinsider.com.au
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Better daily result than South Korea for the first time since they hit 8,000 and we hit 4,000. Fair effort that.
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My memory of the original SARS outbreak includes a WHO that didn't screw the pooch. These information issues simply weren't there last time around. One lasting memory of this pandemic will be the initial response by WHO, China and many world leaders.
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Not going to be a lasting vaccine. Best hope it loses potency every time it comes around.
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Are you serious?
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Vaccines are constantly evolving the flu jab is modified every year to cover recently discovered flu strains. Let's get a vaccine to start and see what comes of it.
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I listened to today's presser by ScoMo and Prof Murphy - some very pleasing numbers, much better than I thought we'd see. I had pinned this part of April to be the peak of deaths but it seems we've past that peak - although 40+ people are still on ventilators.
We'll have four more weeks of status quo which is understandable given the reasoning - we're not at the point where we can confidently detect, isolate and protect the community - so we can't live with it just yet. We're close though. Another couple of weeks of very low numbers and I think people will get very antsy - we'll likely see an easing mid or late May. Unless we change strategy and try to eradicate which, surprisingly, is firming as a real option.
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What is your point?
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Billions should get vaccinated instead of stopping the dangerous practice of eating a highly infectious flying rodent in select places of the world?
Just don't eat the ****ing bat.
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The Chinese have already stopped it in the markets but it goes beyond the markets of China. Eating bat is a widespread practice across Asia. You have a better chance of getting a vaccine than you have of stopping people across Asia eating bats. So what is the answer kill all the bats?
The COVID-19 virus has already transferred to humans and the damage is done so we have to deal with that. Stopping people from eating bats will not eradicate COVID-19.
If millions of people across twenty odd countries in Asia stopped eating bats tomorrow all those people lying in hospitals on ventilators would still be there, all the asymptomatics around the globe would still be walking the streets infecting people.
A vaccine is not the only answer as we need to find a way of treating the victims and aiding their recovery. We need to find treatments that alleviate the symptoms and prevent death once the virus is contracted. Again we probably have a better chance of achieving that than we have of stopping a cultural practice that has been practiced for centuries.
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A vaccine will be developed anyway but that doesn't mean the practice shouldn't be discouraged. This doesnt have to be an either/or scenario.
The virus may mutate, break off into different strains and get stronger.
If a global pandemic isn't enough of a scare to make people stop and think about the practice of eating one type of species of bat then how ****ed are we really?
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I wouldn't say 'anyway'. MERS was first detected in 2012 and they still do not have a vaccine for that although they are close. SARS and Influenza are corona viruses like COVID-19 and they had a vaccine for SARS in just over two years. But SARS was not a pandemic on the scale of COVID-19 so the COVID research is much more intense and widespread than it would have been with SARS. There are that many trials going on around the world the the chances of a breakthrough are good.
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I've been interested in this question about whether there is a vaccine for SARS. Most of the material I've read says there isn't one. I even reached out to the head of the infectious diseases unit in my hospital. Her answer is that there is no vaccine.
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Yes, SARS is no longer the threat it was and there has not been an epidemic in recent times so I assume the need is not there but there have been clinical trials in the US and China and the Chinese have apparently developed a vaccine that works but is everything the Chinese say true? The last paragraph in the link below kinda hints that what the Chinese have works in trials but that it hasn't been proven in the field. The link below is uncredited so it is probably a little dubious,
Is there a SARS vaccine?
Researchers developed a safe and effective SARS vaccine. Learn more about SARS vaccine from this article.
health.howstuffworks.com
The link below is better accredited but the inference is that SARS mutated to a less virulent strain so the vaccine was not needed and as a result funds dried up. Maybe this research has rebooted now that a different strain of corona virus is on the loose?
Scientists were close to a coronavirus vaccine years ago. Then the money dried up.
"We just could not generate much interest," a researcher said of the difficulty in getting funding to test the vaccine in humans.
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Well thats a stretch...
The Washington Post article talks about the presence of the Lab and its procedures, and possible issues based on cables from 2 years ago.
The Fox News article then runs with a story that there is increasing confidence from authorities that the virus escaped from the lab.
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This a recent ABC Health Report podcast. It's lengthy but towards the end there's an interview with Professor Ian Fraser, an Australian immunologist who's the Director of Research of the Translational Research Institute (Australia). He's more of a pessimist on the question of whether we'll find a vaccine. But on the brighter side, he's say governments and the private sector are throwing tons of money on clinical trials for a vaccine. About 80 are in train. We're all hoping that one will succeed.Yes, SARS is no longer the threat it was and there has not been an epidemic in recent times so I assume the need is not there but there have been clinical trials in the US and China and the Chinese have apparently developed a vaccine that works but is everything the Chinese say true? The last paragraph in the link below kinda hints that what the Chinese have works in trials but that it hasn't been proven in the field. The link below is uncredited so it is probably a little dubious,
Is there a SARS vaccine?
Researchers developed a safe and effective SARS vaccine. Learn more about SARS vaccine from this article.
The link below is better accredited but the inference is that SARS mutated to a less virulent strain so the vaccine was not needed and as a result funds dried up. Maybe this research has rebooted now that a different strain of corona virus is on the loose?
Scientists were close to a coronavirus vaccine years ago. Then the money dried up.
"We just could not generate much interest," a researcher said of the difficulty in getting funding to test the vaccine in humans.
Can we eliminate COVID-19, what's the endgame and a reality check on a vaccine - ABC listen
Specialist and mainstream audiences alike rely on the Health Report to bring clarity to health and medical issues from social, scientific and political points of view.
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