Corona virus, Port and the AFL.

[Ford Fairlane]

No, Hans will test positive and they'll have to do another 14 days.

 

[Del165198]

A couple of weeks ago someone from the Pentagon said that evidence pointed towards the wet market theory. People on here said that any other theory would be a conspiracy theory, thus validating an "official" theory.

Now we have US government officials coming out with the lab theory and it gets called government propaganda.

There's a clear bias there. The idea that one arm of the government is more honest than the other is funny to me.

when one arm of government (in this case the whitehouse) repeatedly argues falsehoods in the face of reality, they become untrustworthy. i wouldn't have thought that sure that statement is a revelation based on the current administration.

 

[Del165198]

People bagging Trump then presenting unsubstantiated theories as fact. Oh the ironing.

thanks for this useless useful post.
im sure your opinion holds more weight than: Bill Hanage, associate professor at the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health’s Center for Communicable Disease Dynamics and Amesh Adalja, a senior scholar at the Johns Hopkins University Center for Health Security.

get stuffed paps.

 

[El Zorro]

People bagging Trump then presenting unsubstantiated theories as fact. Oh the ironing.

The fact that Trump is so invested in one of the theories, and he is a known liar, makes it less believable. He is no impartial or trying to be.

Personally, along the spectrum of EMERGED NATURALLY IN A WET MARKET <-> NATURAL ORIGINS BUT SCAPED FROM A LAB <-> ARTIFICIALLY CREATED AND RELEASED ON PURPOSE BY THE CHINESE GOVERNMENT, I would slightly favour the middle of the spectrum (i.e scaped from a lab). I am not sure what anyone stands to gain if that was the case. Anyway, I don't think we will ever know for certain.

 

[Grave Danger]

Haven't the poor bastards suffered enough?

Adelaide Now put that picture right above the Laidley ones to signal that they were not merely about humiliating the former Port Adelaide assistant coach for his dress sense.

 

[Magus]

when one arm of government (in this case the whitehouse) repeatedly argues falsehoods in the face of reality, they become untrustworthy. i wouldn't have thought that sure that statement is a revelation based on the current administration.

So does the Pentagon. Remember WMD's?

 

[Lagooner]

Haven't the poor bastards suffered enough?

Hey Papa G did you see the clip of Dr S mum-dancing at this thing phoar!

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

The Lab theory has taken off since Washington Post reporter Josh Rogin wrote his piece on 14th April. Here is a video from the Washington Post where he talks about it.

At 4.26 of 5 minute video Rogin says "There are people inside the administration that want this information to come out, and that's probably why I received these cables." Video takes a while to load up.





Ok join these two to make one URL you can watch Rogin's WP video explaining his story, if it doesn't load up.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/video/editorial/opinion--us-diplomatic-cables-warned-of-wuhan-lab

-safety-issues-the-world-needs-answers/2020/04/16/936e1ece-b717-4b4d-afe9-11e2f1590781_video.html


The original article which is now behind a paywall but some of you can get behind it is at:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/04/14/state-department-cables-warned-safety-issues-wuhan-lab-studying-bat-coronaviruses/

And the interview he gave on CNN the day after he wrote his story. Watch what he says between 1.50 and 2.55, The Chinese government cover up actions - they dont like bad news of any type - has helped fuel the theory.

 

[Papa G]

The clique has every crisis sorted didn't you know? the internetz brightest minds

The have a Clique have a Boner for Corona (in a non threatening, non sexual, non gender specific way).

 

[raptalia]

Of Victoria’s 22, 19 are linked to the meat processing plant, 2 overseas returned travellers and 1 under investigation. They have to contain the meat processing plant hotspot. We could give them some tips after our baggage handler cluster.

At least it isn't as bad as the Smithfield Pork Plant in Sioux Falls South Dakota. As of 16 April they had 598 employees test positive.

They just wouldn't listen, inject the detergent the man said, he said as plain as day inject the goddamned detergent would these boys listen-no.

 

[Portology]

At least it isn't as bad as the Smithfield Pork Plant in Sioux Falls South Dakota. As of 16 April they had 598 employees test positive.

They just wouldn't listen, inject the detergent the man said, he said as plain as day inject the goddamned detergent would these boys listen-no.

Reading that took me way back to a chapter in Schlosser's Fast Food Nation, where the decline of the US meatpacking industry is described in gory detail.

 

[Magus]

Again:

The evidence is that wet markets are suspected to be the origin of sars type viruses in the past.

SARS escaped Beijing lab twice

Laboratory safety at the Chinese Institute of Virology under close scrutiny

www.the-scientist.com

 

[Del165198]

The have a Clique have a Boner for Corona (in a non threatening, non sexual, non gender specific way).

The clique has every crisis sorted didn't you know? the internetz brightest minds

oh look its the anti-clique clique

 

[Ford Fairlane]

I guess we should be thankful they didn't treat smallpox or anthrax with such a cavalier attitude ...

Accidents happen. In 2014, forgotten vials of smallpox were found in a cardboard box in a research centre near Washington. In 2015, the US military accidentally shipped live anthrax samples instead of dead spores to as many as nine labs across the country and a military base in South Korea.

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-52318539

 

[Del165198]

SARS escaped Beijing lab twice

Laboratory safety at the Chinese Institute of Virology under close scrutiny

www.the-scientist.com

the difference i see with that story is that they were working on a known virus.
covid-19 was completely unknown to the scientific community, as far as i'm aware.

i have to agree with what old harvard mate was saying:
Given the highly elusive nature of SARS-CoV-2, and how we are learning that it causes a lot of minimally symptomatic infections alongside the serious ones that crash health care systems, he said, it strains credulity to imagine that anybody would have extracted it from a bat and actually been able to realize what they were dealing with to the point that it would warrant serious study in a lab for dangerous diseases. It’s also hard for Hanage to believe that any researchers who might have been studying the virus would have understood what it was capable of—in other words, he said, it’s more logical to believe that the new coronavirus was never in a lab in the first place.

 

[raptalia]

Reading that took me way back to a chapter in Schlosser's Fast Food Nation, where the decline of the US meatpacking industry is described in gory detail.

This Smithfield organisation must be some outfit. They employ 40,000 people across the US. When they realised they had a COVID problem in Sioux Falls the company organised some testing and offered to pay workers who tested positive. But at the same time they did this ...

'... the company offered a $500 bonus to hourly employees who did not miss work in April, a move that Kooper Caraway, the president of the AFL-CIO, which organizes local unions, said motivated workers to show up sick. '

You have to wonder at the mentality in the US and a system that allows a company to provide incentives for workers to turn up sick in time of a pandemic.

 

[RossFC]

So if someone is infected, and it pops up on my app if I'm out, why the **** is that guy in public in the first place.

 

[Ford Fairlane]

So if someone is infected, and it pops up on my app if I'm out, why the **** is that guy in public in the first place.

There's the obvious answer that some people are dicks as we've witnessed more than a few times during this crisis. Police don't hand out expiations for non-compliance with quarantining for fun.

But it might also be that someone tests positive after you have been in contact and you can be traced via the app. Or vice versa if you test positive and have been active without knowing you have the disease.

 

[NEGAN]

So if lockdown was the right choice, and we're now discussing lifting restrictions in the same phased manner that we implemented them, what exactly is it that you want to happen differently?

What is the balance that you want to see?

Intially lockdown had to be done because no one knew exactly how to combat this or it's deviation. It was the safe option. But in this unpredictable event I could not blame any leaders approach to combat this... initially.

But now at this stage we know there is only gambles available....lockdown is no way shape or form proven to stop the virus only delay or flatten the curve....reports coming out that a spike in deaths is happening because people are avoiding going to hospitals. The numbers are a fricking mess there is no standard any where in the data. Hell even now Sweden has earnt praise for its approach.

discussing lifting restrictions and I use the term lifting restrictions very very loosely isn't balance.

For starters shaming everyone who is against lockdowns into a catagory of not wanting to save lives ( borderline murderers ) is not correct imo. Some people have family in 3rd world countries and I dare anyone who pushes this agenda say it to a mother who is watching their child starve because of the lockdowns enforced upon them. So we should really start with balance there...and stop being so authoritarian on this matter.

Maybe we could look at isolating the most vulnerable and the sick instead all of the healthy...

Maybe we look at the Swedish model and just back people in to adhere to social distancing just like we do with everyone who gets on the piss on regular daily basis....this seems like a pretty good idea to me.

 

[RossFC]

No change in SA for active cases, new cases, recoveries, deaths etc in the last 2-3 days.

 

[Ford Fairlane]

Steve Marshall's media person has been having some fun with his tweets.

 

[Holden Hillbilly]

12 days of no new cases for SA
The state only has seven active cases, the same as yesterday.

This means 427 people have recovered from COVID-19, which is 98 per cent of cases.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

SA Covid presser

Marshall starts by talking about assistance to small business

Nicola Spurrier
0 new cases - 12 days in a row
7 active cases like yesterday, 3 remain in hospital
540 tests yesterday - but always drops off over weekend. 3.2% of population tested. over 61,000 tests.


Smitho asks about SANFL and them pushing to start earlier. Nicola getting her national and SA national FL clubs mixed up. Smitho stresses its SA local clubs but not national teams. "Plan going to national cabinet." Basically saying bloody wait for that. Says we have had 10 people rule never had 2 rule like other states. Said AIS document clearly sets out steps and praises the document.

Children's sports - what advice for that re starting up again? No real answer from Spurrier

Spurier said the 5 state CMO's met - with AFL on Sunday - still have community transfers in eastern states is an issue - drafted some principles, but working on it still.

Asked about community sports and time to start? - "You'll need to wait - reviewed at national cabinet on Friday."

Asked why see no case for days yet no clarity about removal of restrictions? SA will lift them in most sensible way step by step way with least sensitive restrictions first - gave example of funeral restrictions being adjusted first. Have to be patient. Clarity at end of week. Consulted widely - fortunate - will lift as quickly as can.

Asked about anti-body and no symptoms? Has testing dropped off? Weekends always less testing. Serology testing context was in terms of group in a particular cluster - was extra testing. That serology testing to come soon.

Smitho asks question about mothers day - what can and can't do? Spurrier reminds Smitho that we still have 10 people gathering not 2 like other states, but use common sense when visiting people in small flat and keep social distancing, so maybe can't have 10 in a flat.


Marshall back and Smitho pushing SANFL opportunity start early and your thinking "as a sports loving nut." Smitho asks if wants SANFL to start before AFL. A nothing politician answer from Marshall.

Asked about citizens in two hotels in Adelaide now released. Marshall says great that none have tested positive. State government happy to play its part like all states.

Wade was asked about Drug Arm - a federal substance abuse program has just finished at end of April. A commonwealth government program, Wade would like commonwealth to continue.

Wade asked if he has downloaded app? yes - encourages all to do it.

 

[Del165198]

for the people that have already got the app and had it for a few days, have you noticed any impacts on battery life or anything while it's active?

 

[Duckimus Prime]

So if someone is infected, and it pops up on my app if I'm out, why the **** is that guy in public in the first place.

Its more like:

1. Person A has travelling around and their app has been recording everyone they are in close contact with.
2. Person A goes and gets tested and returns a positive result.
3. Person A uploads the last 21 days of data from their copy of the app.
4. SAHealth looks at all the contacts in the data and contact those people (they use the phone number recorded for this not the app)
5. You get an SMS from SAHealth saying you've been in contact with someone who has tested positive. You should go and get tested.

The app doesn't actually help if Person A is the kind of dickhead that continues to travel around in public after Step 2&3 have occured.