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LFC2010 said:
It's all up to the states how quickly they want to implement the stages.
Hopefully it's done with in 3 or so weeks in this state.
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Nope its a month per stage. Yes states are the ones who implemenent changes, nothing new but this is a roll out to July

Stage 1 today/Monday. Stage 2 in 4 weeks time in June and Stage 3 in 4 weeks time in July.

www.abc.net.au

Queensland, SA, Tas follow National Cabinet's plan to ease coronavirus restrictions

Queensland, South Australia and Tasmania are the first states to announce the easing of coronavirus restrictions under the National Cabinet's plan to reopen Australia, but Victorians will have to wait until Monday to learn what rules will change for them. As it happened.
www.abc.net.au www.abc.net.au

PM announces a three-step plan to reopen the economy by July this year

"Today, National Cabinet agreed a three-step plan and a national framework to achieve a COVID safe economy and society. And it is our goal to move through all of these steps to achieve that COVID safe economy in July of this year."

"In this plan, we walk before we run. We know we need to be careful to preserve our gains, if we wish to reclaim the ground we lost, we cannot be too timid.

"There will be risks. There will be challenges. There will be outbreaks, there will be more cases, there will be set backs.

"Not everything will go to plan.

"States will and must move at their own pace, and will cut and paste out of this plan to suit their local circumstances. There will undoubtedly be some human error. No-one is perfect.

"Everyone is doing their best. To think or expect otherwise, I think, would be very unrealistic. This is a complex and very uncertain environment."
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That is crazy. Is someone seriously telling me that interstate travel should resume the same time that people return to the workplace? That looks like a roadmap prepared to appease people the eastern states.

Surely South Australia will be in a position to open bars, pubs and restaurants and get people back to work well before it opens it's borders to places like Poxtoria ? That chart reads that, 'States and Territories will move at different times based on local conditions' then imposes a rigid set of steps for the reopening of business across Australia.

Morrison's presser today was a waste of time. It was a 'wishy washy' affair in which he committed to nothing. We expected some modelling as to when restrictions would be eased and all we got was 'we want to move forward together in steps' on one hand and 'it is up to the States' as to when they ease restrictions on the other.

Key points from Scott Morrison's press conference

  • Prime Minister Scott Morrison said the National Cabinet has agreed on a three-step plan to bring Australia back to a COVID-safe economy by July this year
  • The PM said states and territories will move at their own pace through the steps and will "cut and paste out of this plan to suit their local circumstances"
  • Step one "will enable greater connection with friends and family", step two will "allow larger size gatherings up to 20 people", step three will be "allowing gatherings up to 100 people"
  • Mr Morrison said there is "no expectation of step one starting on day one" unless the state or territory wants it to
  • The National Cabinet will review the progress of the plan every three weeks and "make any changes as we need to"
  • Chief Medical Officer Brendan Murphy says Australia remains in a "very good position" despite a small spike due to a pair of outbreaks in NSW and Victoria
  • Dr Murphy pleaded for Australians to maintain social distancing and good hygiene or "we could lose the battle that we have won so well so far"
  • Mr Morrison said the Treasury predicts 850,000 people will return to work in the coming months, hopefully by the end of this three-step process but "there are a lot of uncertainties"
  • Dr Murphy described step one as "tentative baby steps into normalisation", and then all going well, "step two could be more confident"
  • The Prime Minister said international travel will not be opening up "in the foreseeable future"


Australians would be far better served if the individual State Premiers gave press conferences after each meeting of the National Cabinet and outlined where their State stands.

The article below says a bit as far as I am concerned.

www.abc.net.au

'Send them back': South Australians call for tighter interstate border controls

The message from a large proportion of the population who want to get back to business is 'tighten the borders and re-open South Australia', even if the rest of the country remains in lockdown.
www.abc.net.au www.abc.net.au

Time for Steve Marshall to grow some balls and outline where South Australia stands. The article above is wrong in one respect as Victoria has chalked up another 12 positive tests today making 93 for the week. The Vics have a problem and it is their problem and SA should not be held back because of it. Fire up Marshall for chrissake or I will be tempted to hire a Hi Lux and paint up a few LAND OF THE FREE signs.

I expected more from today's meeting. I may have missed it but I did not notice any specific references about exemptions for the NRL or AFL.

Geez, I am fired up atm. better to let me just cool down in my corner folks.
 
raptalia said:
That is crazy. Is someone seriously telling me that interstate travel should resume the same time that people return to the workplace? That looks like a roadmap prepared to appease people the eastern states.

Surely South Australia will be in a position to open bars, pubs and restaurants and get people back to work well before it opens it's borders to places like Poxtoria ? That chart reads that, 'States and Territories will move at different times based on local conditions' then imposes a rigid set of steps for the reopening of business across Australia.

Morrison's presser today was a waste of time. It was a 'wishy washy' affair in which he committed to nothing. We expected some modelling as to when restrictions would be eased and all we got was 'we want to move forward together in steps' on one hand and 'it is up to the States' as to when they ease restrictions on the other.

Key points from Scott Morrison's press conference

  • Prime Minister Scott Morrison said the National Cabinet has agreed on a three-step plan to bring Australia back to a COVID-safe economy by July this year
  • The PM said states and territories will move at their own pace through the steps and will "cut and paste out of this plan to suit their local circumstances"
  • Step one "will enable greater connection with friends and family", step two will "allow larger size gatherings up to 20 people", step three will be "allowing gatherings up to 100 people"
  • Mr Morrison said there is "no expectation of step one starting on day one" unless the state or territory wants it to
  • The National Cabinet will review the progress of the plan every three weeks and "make any changes as we need to"
  • Chief Medical Officer Brendan Murphy says Australia remains in a "very good position" despite a small spike due to a pair of outbreaks in NSW and Victoria
  • Dr Murphy pleaded for Australians to maintain social distancing and good hygiene or "we could lose the battle that we have won so well so far"
  • Mr Morrison said the Treasury predicts 850,000 people will return to work in the coming months, hopefully by the end of this three-step process but "there are a lot of uncertainties"
  • Dr Murphy described step one as "tentative baby steps into normalisation", and then all going well, "step two could be more confident"
  • The Prime Minister said international travel will not be opening up "in the foreseeable future"


Australians would be far better served if the individual State Premiers gave press conferences after each meeting of the National Cabinet and outlined where their State stands.

The article below says a bit as far as I am concerned.

www.abc.net.au

'Send them back': South Australians call for tighter interstate border controls

The message from a large proportion of the population who want to get back to business is 'tighten the borders and re-open South Australia', even if the rest of the country remains in lockdown.
www.abc.net.au www.abc.net.au

Time for Steve Marshall to grow some balls and outline where South Australia stands. The article above is wrong in one respect as Victoria has chalked up another 12 positive tests today making 93 for the week. The Vics have a problem and it is their problem and SA should not be held back because of it. Fire up Marshall for chrissake or I will be tempted to hire a Hi Lux and paint up a few LAND OF THE FREE signs.

I expected more from today's meeting. I may have missed it but I did not notice any specific references about exemptions for the NRL or AFL.

Geez, I am fired up atm. better to let me just cool down in my corner folks.
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Marshall is about to speak
 
RussellEbertHandball said:
Nope its a month per stage. Yes states are the ones who implemenent changes, nothing new but this is a roll out to July

Stage 1 today/Monday. Stage 2 in 4 weeks time in June and Stage 3 in 4 weeks time in July.

www.abc.net.au

Queensland, SA, Tas follow National Cabinet's plan to ease coronavirus restrictions

Queensland, South Australia and Tasmania are the first states to announce the easing of coronavirus restrictions under the National Cabinet's plan to reopen Australia, but Victorians will have to wait until Monday to learn what rules will change for them. As it happened.
www.abc.net.au www.abc.net.au

PM announces a three-step plan to reopen the economy by July this year
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I'd expect SA to go straight to stage 2.
 
raptalia said:
Morrison's presser today was a waste of time. It was a 'wishy washy' affair in which he committed to nothing. We expected some modelling as to when restrictions would be eased and all we got was 'we want to move forward together in steps' on one hand and 'it is up to the States' as to when they ease restrictions on the other.
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Morrison can't commit to anything because they are states responsibilities. He doesn't have the constitutional power.

It was a presser to announce the national steps and guidelines, the national goals, agreed to by the states and territories, with advise from the AHPPC ( ie state and territories CMO) but states have the ability to move faster or delay the implementations of the steps.

But if you have listened to a few of Nicola Spurrier's pressers and the Q&A section, she has always talked about a staged process, 4 weeks at a time, and agreement by the national cabinet and AHPPC

That's how the constitution works. Section 51 gives the states power, section 96 gives the commonwealth government the right to spend money in the states by tied grants. Morrison can't bribe the states to open up faster. He can try but it would defeat the whole purpose of a national coordinated approach - you know like the US don't have.
 
raptalia said:
Let's hope this is the announcement is the one I have been expecting.

I hope REH has his TV switched on.

Come on Steve give us some good news.
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What did he say??
 
Marshall - can't see mass gatherings happening soon.

Monday starts stage 1. Regional travel will be encouraged. Will be only state allowing caravanning and camping. Uni's and TAFE's can go back to face to face teaching. Community Halls and RSL's are open. Auctions and open inspections. Local government libraries 10 visitors plus staff. Sports up to 10. Funerals up to 20 indoors and 30 outdoors plus staff. Churches up to 10 plus those officiating. Pools opening but once again up to 10.

Will communicate over weekend and get read on Sunday for Monday openings. best compliance in nation with lowest restrictions.

Spurrier
An exciting day today with lifting of restrictions.

0 new cases

Reminds us need some restrictions, if sick go get tested, 1.5m distancing absolutely great importance.

439 cases, 433 recovered, 2 active cases,

2 people still in hospital, not active cases but were knocked around by virus still in hospital. no on in ICU.

Police Commissioner Stevens - Monday move to step 1, because of compliance. need to have same level of compliance to progress to next stages. Police still out there watching us and new activities people under take.
 
RussellEbertHandball said:
Marshall - can't see mass gatherings happening soon.

Monday starts stage 1. Regional travel will be encouraged. Will be only state allowing caravanning and camping. Uni's and TAFE's can go back to face to face teaching. Community Halls and RSL's are open. Auctions and open inspections. Local government libraries 10 visitors plus staff. Sports up to 10. Funerals up to 20 indoors and 30 outdoors plus staff. Churches up to 10 plus those officiating. Pools opening but once again up to 10.

Will communicate over weekend and get read on Sunday for Monday openings. best compliance in nation with lowest restrictions.

Spurrier
An exciting day today with lifting of restrictions.

0 new cases

Reminds us need some restrictions, if sick go get tested, 1.5m distancing absolutely great importance.

439 cases, 433 recovered, 2 active cases,

2 people still in hospital, not active cases but were knocked around by virus still in hospital. no on in ICU.

Police Commissioner Stevens - Monday move to step 1, because of compliance. need to have same level of compliance to progress to next stages. Police still out there watching us and new activities people under take.
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Sports up to 10, is that indoor also?
 

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Enviable Tradition said:
I'd expect SA to go straight to stage 2.
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You are expecting wrong if you mean Monday. uBut if you mean straight after 4 weeks has finished we go to Stage 2 probably correct provided people dont get arrogant and drop their compliance..
 
Q&A

Police Commissioner first
Asked if still can do normal surveillance plus new relaxed businesses opening up? If people do the right thing then can handle workload increase.

Significant community support so far, will be taken into act when assessing if can move to next stage with lower restrictions.

Detail info going into getting ready for Monday for businesses like restaurants

Spurrier;
How does analysis to move forward? number of cases or compliance? This is pandemic so health cases will be determine pace to lifting restrictions. Can deal with clusters so that wont stop things by themselves. Individuals have to continue to be responsible.

Are you worried about alcohol and restaurants? - Police Commissioner has suggested outdoor dinning allowed but not alcohol.
 
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manureid said:
Sports up to 10, is that indoor also?
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Didn't address it specifically but 10 allowed indoor like restaurants, libraries, gyms so can't see why not for sports.

AIS framework/guidelines Level B started with

As per Level A plus:
Indoor/outdoor activity that can be conducted in small groups (not more than 10 athletes and/or other personnel in total) and with adequate spacing (not more than
1 person per 4m2).

Some sharing of sporting equipment permitted such as kicking a football, hitting a tennis ball, use of a
skipping rope, weights, mats.
Non-contact skills training. Accidental contact may
occur but no deliberate body contact drills. No wrestling, holding, tackling or binding.
Commercial gyms, bootcamps, yoga, Pilates, dance classes (e.g. barre, ballet, hip hop, not partnered), cycling ‘spin’ classes permitted if other measures (above) are met.

Level C is when competition can start
As per Level B plus:
Full sporting activity that can be conducted in groups of any size including full contact (competition, tournaments, matches). Wrestling, holding, tackling and/or binding
(e.g. rugby scrums) permitted.
For larger team sports, consider maintaining some
small group separation at training.
For some athletes full training will be restricted by commercial operation of facilities.
 
RussellEbertHandball said:
Morrison can't commit to anything because they are states responsibilities. He doesn't have the constitutional power.

It was a presser to announce the national steps and guidelines, the national goals, agreed to by the states and territories, with advise from the AHPPC ( ie state and territories CMO) but states have the ability to move faster or delay the implementations of the steps.

But if you have listened to a few of Nicola Spurrier's pressers and the Q&A section, she has always talked about a staged process, 4 weeks at a time, and agreement by the national cabinet and AHPPC

That's how the constitution works. Section 51 gives the states power, section 96 gives the commonwealth government the right to spend money in the states by tied grants. Morrison can't bribe the states to open up faster. He can try but it would defeat the whole purpose of a national coordinated approach - you know like the US don't have.
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Yes, but he can announce a three step process that is simply a PR exercise.

With due respect to Professor Spurrier why does South Australia need the approval of National Cabinet anyway? South Australians have done a bloody great job getting where we are and we did it all by ourselves. To be honest I am not sure why we need a National Cabinet at this stage, particularly if it doesn't make decisions. All I see out of today's meeting is the approval of a three step process that basically allows the States to make dcisions at their own pace. When there are decisions of national interest such as exemptions for travel by elite sporting teams to be discussed at a national level nothing seems to happen. It is left up to the individual States so why bother with a National Cabinet ?

During the dark days a month ago getting on the same page and learning from each other was was a good if not essential concept and the nation was the better for it. However times have changed and in SA, WA and the NT the situation is almost as good as it is going to get for a while so why not simply ease restrictions in SA, WA and the NT and let the Eastern States worry about themselves?

What we we actually need is a fully functioning Federal Parliament back in action so that Morrison can be asked the pertinent questions and his decisions or non decisions can be scrutinised in a public forum. As I have posted before, at present journalists get to ask more questions of the Government than the duly elected representatives of the people.

It seems Mr Morrison wants to return to normal but getting Parliament back in action with the possibility of some embarrassing questions is a tad too normal.
 
Sunday the SA Police Commissioner will be putting out list of where 10 people (or more) can attend which premises and what type of restrictions. Think this is as per state of emergency provisions.

Step 2 is scheduled to kick in on 8th June in SA. Could be delayed. Nothing I have heard the last couple of weeks listening to daily pressers says they will go to stage earlier than 4 weeks.
 
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From Monday May 11, the following changes will be made to existing restrictions in South Australia:

Regional travel
Uni and TAFE face-to-face tutorials
Outdoor dining for restaurants and cafes
Community, youth and RSL halls
Auctions and inspections
Local government libraries
Sport training (outdoor only)
Funerals (20 indoor/30 outdoor)
Worship, weddings and ceremonies (up to 10 people)
Pools (limits apply)
Campgrounds and caravan parks
The new limits will be required to abide by the state’s existing regulations of one person per four square metres and no more than 10 people.

Step two will be enacted from June 8 and will allow the following:

Cinemas and theatres
Seated dining
Galleries and museums
Beauty, nails, tattoo, massage (non-therapeutic)
Driving instruction lessons
Gyms and indoor fitness
Funerals (50 max)
Sport transition to competition without spectators, including indoor
The measures will be expanded to an upper gathering limit of 20 people but still required to abide by one person per four square metres.

Following these changes, the state government will then consider the reopening of licenced venues such as pubs and bars, nightclubs, hookah bars and casinos.

https://www.fiveaa.com.au/news/stat...hen-sas-covid-19-restrictions-will-be-lifted/
 
raptalia said:
Yes, but he can announce a three step process that is simply a PR exercise.

With due respect to Professor Spurrier why does South Australia need the approval of National Cabinet anyway? South Australians have done a bloody great job getting where we are and we did it all by ourselves. To be honest I am not sure why we need a National Cabinet at this stage, particularly if it doesn't make decisions. All I see out of today's meeting is the approval of a three step process that basically allows the States to make dcisions at their own pace. When there are decisions of national interest such as exemptions for travel by elite sporting teams to be discussed at a national level nothing seems to happen. It is left up to the individual States so why bother with a National Cabinet ?

During the dark days a month ago getting on the same page and learning from each other was was a good if not essential concept and the nation was the better for it. However times have changed and in SA, WA and the NT the situation is almost as good as it is going to get for a while so why not simply ease restrictions in SA, WA and the NT and let the Eastern States worry about themselves?

What we we actually need is a fully functioning Federal Parliament back in action so that Morrison can be asked the pertinent questions and his decisions or non decisions can be scrutinised in a public forum. As I have posted before, at present journalists get to ask more questions of the Government than the duly elected representatives of the people.

It seems Mr Morrison wants to return to normal but getting Parliament back in action with the possibility of some embarrassing questions is a tad too normal.
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Have you been paying attention to what she has been saying the last 2 weeks and what has been said the last 2 months?

The country ie the feds, the states and the territories have taken a one in, all in approach.

It ain't over till it's over has been their approach ie a vaccine has been found.

All governments don't want a stop start open close open close approach for the next 6 months.

Health professionals are conservative by training and probably nature? How many doctors want a footballer to play footy after a concussion? Yet footballers say stuff the doc I'm playing. Less so these days with legal ramifications.

4 weeks is confirmation period to the doctors that their policies are working, ie the WHO guidelines ( made by real doctors using scientific analysis not administrators kissing national governments arses) that you either are on top of things or aren't.

Since March we have been warned this will take at least 6 months. That didn't come from the politicians that came from the AHPPC - The Australian Heath Protection Principal Committee - which is made up of the federal and state and territories CMO's and they sit in on the national cabinet meetings.

They all want to open up the state borders. To do that you have to make sure all states are at a similar stage otherwise you will get community transmission spikes.
 
Ford Fairlane said:
From Monday May 11, the following changes will be made to existing restrictions in South Australia:

Regional travel
Uni and TAFE face-to-face tutorials
Outdoor dining for restaurants and cafes
Community, youth and RSL halls
Auctions and inspections
Local government libraries
Sport training (outdoor only)
Funerals (20 indoor/30 outdoor)
Worship, weddings and ceremonies (up to 10 people)
Pools (limits apply)
Campgrounds and caravan parks
The new limits will be required to abide by the state’s existing regulations of one person per four square metres and no more than 10 people.

Step two will be enacted from June 8 and will allow the following:

Cinemas and theatres
Seated dining
Galleries and museums
Beauty, nails, tattoo, massage (non-therapeutic)
Driving instruction lessons
Gyms and indoor fitness
Funerals (50 max)
Sport transition to competition without spectators, including indoor
The measures will be expanded to an upper gathering limit of 20 people but still required to abide by one person per four square metres.

Following these changes, the state government will then consider the reopening of licenced venues such as pubs and bars, nightclubs, hookah bars and casinos.

https://www.fiveaa.com.au/news/stat...hen-sas-covid-19-restrictions-will-be-lifted/
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I'm sure Marshall said gyms opening up on Monday in his presser, unless there is a differentiation between 10 and 20 people and that list doesn't take that into account.

So if only groups of 10 for training until Monday the 8th, you would expect that the AFL clubs would want 2 weeks of whole squad physical training which makes it 22nd June, so earliest possible game would be Thursday night 25th June.

Thursday night 2nd July is probably more likely the start of the season.
 
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