Corona virus, Port and the AFL.

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I'm sorry, I wasn't aware Coronavirus wasn't intending to vanish from our shores never to return because we've had a good fortnight.

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So what do you propose? Stay locked down until the virus ceases to exist? Not realistic.
 

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We arnt. We are slowing decreasing restrictions. There is no other way unless you want to be the next Japan.

Have you been reading the discussion at all?
 
So what do you propose? Stay locked down until the virus ceases to exist? Not realistic.
No rush, which is exactly what yous are doing. The government made a plan, let's stick to it. Others can jump the gun at their own risk.

And yeah I think borders should stay closed for a long time and international borders even longer.

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You're talking as if we're aiming for eliminating the virus not suppressing it. And we have suppressed it.
Right buts it's only been suppressed by current restrictions. There's nothing to say it will remain that way with less regulation.

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Right buts it's only been suppressed by current restrictions. There's nothing to say it will remain that way with less regulation.

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100% agree. Doesn't mean you don't open up again though, just that you be ready to shutdown immediately if it shows signs of getting out of control.
 
Ventilator or no ventilator, for some people this is a death sentence. There is no cure, and just because it's under control current doesn't mean infection will continue to play nice.

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In Australia, of the 7,060 cases, only 99 have died. That is 1.4% of cases. And, given that there are bound to be asymptomatic carriers of the virus who are nonetheless still infected but undoubtedly not getting testing due to being asymptomatic, that mortality rate is likely closer to less than 1% of cases. I don't believe in taking many months to get an economy back up and running, getting people back to work where they can be productive in society because of a disease which has such a low mortality rate and whom the vulnerable to said disease can be protected through various social distancing measures.

For some people, even with a vaccine, the flu is a death sentence. Does that mean that everyone should be consigned to staying inside with all this distancing etc for those people too? There is a "risk" of death in every aspect of life. There also comes a point where a line must be drawn, as callous as it sounds. It is not practical for us to move at a snail's pace when you consider the balance between protecting the vulnerable, and ensuring that we aren't actually losing lives from mental health battles as a result of the economy shutdown, where people have committed suicide from losing their job, their business etc.

If you look at the raw numbers, the overwhelming majority of people who are dying because of COVID-19 are elderly who have pre-existing comorbidities. These are the very people whom you try to protect during any type of flu season. These people should stay inside and be protected. But for healthy able people who can keep their distance from the vulnerable populations, by all means they should be allowed to get back to a relatively normal life for them in the not too distant future.
 
Closing state borders was never a recommendation of the National Cabinet’s key health advisory committee.

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States under pressure to reopen borders closed in a bid to contain coronavirus
 

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If Gladys Berejiklian is recommending something I would be inclined to do the opposite. Glad the Impaler has ****ed up big time during the COVID-19 crisis. Berejiklian is only interested in the best interests of New South Wales and is putting pressure on Queensland to open it's borders.

Doubtless State Borders will reopen but it should be at the discretion of the State Governments not Gladys Berejiklian.
 
Closing state borders was never a recommendation of the National Cabinet’s key health advisory committee.

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States under pressure to reopen borders closed in a bid to contain coronavirus

I don't think many people thought it was a bad idea at the time.
Selfishly I do want to be able to travel interstate to see family and friends, but I'm sure I'm not alone there. At this point I don't see why we couldn't do it in June, providing no spikes in cases in the meantime
 
If Gladys Berejiklian is recommending something I would be inclined to do the opposite. Glad the Impaler has f’ed up big time during the COVID-19 crisis. Berejiklian is only interested in the best interests of the Eastern side ofNew South Wales and is putting pressure on Queensland to open it's borders.

Doubtless State Borders will reopen but it should be at the discretion of the State Governments not Gladys Berejiklian.

Ftfy

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Surprise, surprise just heard on TEN News that surveys show that many on JobSeeker do not want to go back to work.

Could it be that many people, particularly part timers in the hospitality industry are earning more from JobKeeper than they were doing 20 hours a week and what is more they do not have to work shifts to get it?

Probably. However, just think of mental health for a minute too. When I started working for myself I was able to look at the ‘system’ that we all live in, go get an education, get a job, have kids, get a mortgage and die..... when you work for yourself your time schedule can break the mood of 9-5 too, your more free in some ways.

I’m guessing lots of people enjoy being off the system, having to keep the machine running, they don’t want to get back on the treadmill..

I think it’s very complicated with many answers.
 
Reading in the morning press that the Yankalilla Football Club, to be coached by Lindsay Thomas, has become the first team in SA to pull the pin on season 2020. The article reads that South Australia is, set to ease Stage 2 restrictions on June 8. The writer, Patrick Keam is not correct as South Australia is still in Stage 1 and will start Stage 2 restrictions on June 8. Stage 2 will only include a transition to competition without spectators. The opening of bars and restaurants is listed as a Future Step for Consideration.

The Great Southern Football League President Terry Corcoran said the league was working toward beginning it's season in early July with nine rounds and an October Grand Final if restrictions on crowds, canteens and bars were lifted. I reckon there are a few other leagues in the same position and many will not start without crowds, canteens and bars.

The pressure is on Steven Marshall to come up with a time line for opening up the State just as his Victorian counterpart Daniel Andrews has done. The State's sporting codes, not to mention small businesses, need to know when and if they are likely to get a start. If the Government decides not to open bars and not to allow crowds at games for a couple of months so be it but they have to let people know where they stand on the issue.
 
The Adelaide Footy League is planning for a return to the field on July 4 while awaiting key restrictions to be lifted by the State Government. As the need for crowds to be allowed into games and clubs to open bars and canteens remains crucial to the season getting underway, the league revealed its preferred start date to clubs on Monday. Beginning on July 4 would mean enough time for the competitons men’s and women’s divisions to play a nine-round season before finals and then grand finals on September 29. League chief executive John Kernahan said the date was subject to change but would offer clubs a guide to plan their return to playing matches.
 
Closing state borders was never a recommendation of the National Cabinet’s key health advisory committee.

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States under pressure to reopen borders closed in a bid to contain coronavirus

No mention of the Ruby Princess there? Bondi? crowds at the NRL season opener?

I don't mind September as a point of reference to open borders. Sees out winter in Melbourne and upsets NSW all good things for mine.

I've grown quite fond of Steven Marshall for someone I would never have voted for.
 
Surprise, surprise just heard on TEN News that surveys show that many on JobSeeker do not want to go back to work.

Well if they said that they are idiots. And utterly wrong.

I'll break down the real facts:

The Fed Govt says there are 6 million people on JobKeeper payments and 1.6 million on JobSeeker payments atm.

And many of those on JobSeeker payments are not actively looking for work atm so are not counted as unemployed in the job stats. Why are they not actively looking for work? Not because they don't want a job but because there are no jobs out there!

If it weren't for the $130 Billion JobKeeper program keeping people in jobs and the $14 Billion JobSeeker program keeping people who lost or can't find jobs in our decimated covid-19 economy clothed, fed and in accommodation then the official Australian unemployment rate would be 58%, more than double the rate we had at the height of the Great Depression in 1933.

This covid-19 pandemic has wiped out millions of jobs, mostly in the lower end of the jobs market; waiters, bar staff, cooks, cleaners etc....Many of those jobs will take years to re-appear. Many will be lost forever.

So let's stop peddling this nonsense that those people on JobSeeker aren't looking for jobs and are just lazy bums. There are NO JOBS TO LOOK FOR.
 
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Donald Trump has stunned the United States with the news that he is taking a controversial drug, despite health warnings from doctors.
US President Donald Trump has revealed he is taking the drug hydroxychloroquine to ward off the coronavirus, despite warnings from doctors who say it’s unproven and can cause serious side effects in some cases, including death.

“A lot of good things have come out about the hydroxy. A lot of good things have come out,” Mr Trump told reporters at the White House today.
“And you’d be surprised at how many people have taken it, especially the frontline workers, before you catch it. The frontline workers, many, many are taking it.
“I happen to be taking it. I happen to be taking it. I’m taking it, hydroxychloroquine. Right now, yeah.”
The President said he had started taking the drug “a couple of weeks ago”, but “never had a chance” to tell the media before today “because you never asked me the question”.

He is an absolutely, delusional dickhead. What more can you say about the leader of USA :thumbsdown:
 
Well if they said that they are idiots. And utterly wrong.

I'll break down the real facts:

The Fed Govt says there are 6 million people on JobKeeper payments and 1.6 million on JobSeeker payments atm.

And many of those on JobSeeker payments are not actively looking for work atm so are not counted as unemployed in the job stats. Why are they not actively looking for work? Not because they don't want a job but because there are no jobs out there!

If it weren't for the $130 Billion JobKeeper program keeping people in jobs and the $14 Billion JobSeeker program keeping people who lost or can't find jobs in our decimated covid-19 economy then the official Australian unemployment rate would be 58%, more than double the rate we had at the height of the Great Depression in 1933.

This covid-19 pandemic has wiped out millions of jobs, mostly in the lower end of the jobs market; waiters, bar staff, cooks, cleaners etc....Many of those jobs will take years to re-appear. Many will be lost forever.

So let's stop peddling this nonsense that those people on JobSeeker aren't looking for jobs and are just lazy bums. There are NO JOBS TO LOOK FOR.

Not forgetting the casual workers in the arts, entertainment and cultural sectors whose livelihood was wiped out by closures and didn't even qualify for JobKeeper and are getting some support to different extents by state government programs.
 
I'm happy for border closures to remain in place but I think we could and should be opening things up inside our own borders a bit more. If we truly do have 0 COVID cases in SA then it wouldn't matter if the entire state spent the next week going around licking doorknobs, it still wouldn't spread. A million people who don't have COVID all interacting with each other isn't going to give any of them COVID.
 
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