Conspiracy Theory Coronavirus #2: Lockdowns

[BlueE]

 

[BlueE]

not true - the Scheylles COVID cases could have increased due to more testing and the onset of the Flu season - therefore nothing to do with the start of the Jab.
You've tried this tenous argument before for Portugal and other Countries so please desist

Since when does flu season start in summer? All the data for the southern hemisphere countries shows the deaths increasing sharply in summer and correlated only to the introduction of the COIVD injections.

 

[MrKK]

You seem to be suggesting that the way we're doing it now by locking down and aiming for zero cases or more realistically, zero transmission is the better way for nan and pop?



We protect children because they're vulnerable, they can't get by without proper guardianship. The frail and elderly are like children, they need to be protected and deserve respect.

I think we just like kids more.

Sacrificing for the younger generations continues long after childhood, just ask any parent.

And making decisions on behalf of all elderly people is the opposite of treating them with respect.

 

[No SPIN]

What absolute rubbish. Experts I've linked to both in Australia, US and UK are vaccine promoter and developers and are not anti vaccine. We're talking about experimental injections never before approved for humans because they badly failed in the animal experiments that weren't repeated or completed for COVID and strangely passed emergency or provisional use authorisation even though are safe and effective therapeutics.

The facts clearly show a correlation between when the injections stated to be given and a sharp increase in deaths from COVID. Some countries never had a COVID deaths before injections were introduced.

No one knows whether mRNA or simian adenovector DNA injections cause permeant changes because animal studies either weren't done or released and medium and long term effects on humans haven't been reported on.

I debunked several of your graphs including Portugal- correlation is not causation.
Jabs all over world started before winter - in winter, it is well known testing increases as do COVID cases. That is FACT - the coincidence of Jabs starting has nothing to do with it.
So you are peddling rubbish.
And BTW - if your theory is right why hasn’t the Jab started new cases here?
Or are you waiting for Winter to start so that you try this fake news again.

And again you start with “no one knows” fantasy about permanent genetic changes when you failed to offer a plausible mechanism by which this could happen - just rubbish.
I could use the same argument that the Vaccine will increase longevity. It’s a completely baseless claim like yours, and absurd, but just reinforces the desperation of your vacuous arguments.

 

[No SPIN]

Since when does flu season start in summer? All the data for the southern hemisphere countries shows the deaths increasing sharply in summer and correlated only to the introduction of the COIVD injections.

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Cases could equally be due to increased testing - we’ve been jabbing over Summer but haven’t had a COVID surge, so stop with the fake news we aren’t fools.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Sacrificing for the younger generations continues long after childhood, just ask any parent.

And making decisions on behalf of all elderly people is the opposite of treating them with respect.

Tend to think alot of Australians have the following conversations

Dad- "Son, can you take me to the shops"
Son - "No dad, theres a flu like pathogen out there, stay home and do not leave. Anyway im off to work, ill call you in 6 weeks time"
Wife - "You are such a good son protecting your dad like that"

 

[No SPIN]

FFS. Didn't you follow the recent asbestos in talcum powder court cases, causing mesothelioma and ovarian cancer cases that J&J lost despite fighting it for years and not admitting they have asbestos in their talcum even though it's the only product that causes mesothelioma.

An estimated 2,200 cases of ovarian cancer every year are caused by the frequent use of talc powders. The Missouri Court of Appeals upheld a ruling that Johnson & Johnson's talcum powder-based products caused ovarian cancer. Johnson & Johnson will be paying out $2.1 billion in damages.

The main companies that are producing the COVID injections have a terrible record linked here a few days ago in producing dangerous of deadly products.

You keep confusing "Big Pharma" who are the powerful pharmaceutical companies profiting in multi billions of dollars from the injections, with therapeutic medicines like HCQ and IVM that are so safe and effective both are on the WHO list of essential medicines. Both of these have been used safely for over 50 year and out of patent, so NO pharmaceutical company profits from any sales and they are cheaply available.

There are now many peer reviewed studies on both with very high safety and effectiveness but Big Pharma not profiting from the sale of these medicines is one reason experts say they haven't been recommended. The other, is the experimental injections can not be given emergency or provisional authorisation if safe and effective medicines are availably.

FFS. Didn't you follow the recent asbestos in talcum powder court cases, causing mesothelioma and ovarian cancer cases that J&J lost despite fighting it for years and not admitting they have asbestos in their talcum even though it's the only product that causes mesothelioma.

An estimated 2,200 cases of ovarian cancer every year are caused by the frequent use of talc powders. The Missouri Court of Appeals upheld a ruling that Johnson & Johnson's talcum powder-based products caused ovarian cancer. Johnson & Johnson will be paying out $2.1 billion in damages.

The main companies that are producing the COVID injections have a terrible record linked here a few days ago in producing dangerous of deadly products.

You keep confusing "Big Pharma" who are the powerful pharmaceutical companies profiting in multi billions of dollars from the injections, with therapeutic medicines like HCQ and IVM that are so safe and effective both are on the WHO list of essential medicines. Both of these have been used safely for over 50 year and out of patent, so NO pharmaceutical company profits from any sales and they are cheaply available.

There are now many peer reviewed studies on both with very high safety and effectiveness but Big Pharma not profiting from the sale of these medicines is one reason experts say they haven't been recommended. The other, is the experimental injections can not be given emergency or provisional authorisation if safe and effective medicines are availably.

Clearly J&J got what they deserved, and such examples have occurred a few times over the last 50 years - but the systematic and continuous release of drugs known to kill, which is monotonous narrative peddled against Big Pharma, is tripe. Just like your baseless scare mongering on the genetic changes with Vaccines.
And as I also said, J&J’s recall of Tylenol is a test case in how to protect Public safety and was lauded all over the world.

if you bothered to follow my posts you would see I support HCQ and IVM.
The problem you describe with both is the Regulators (not Big Pharma), who are not approving use.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Clearly J&J got what they deserved, and such examples have occurred a few times over the last 50 years - but the systematic and continuous release of drugs known to kill, which is monotonous narrative peddled against Big Pharma, is tripe. Just like your baseless scare mongering on the genetic changes with Vaccine.
And as I also said, J&J’s recall of Tylenol is a test case in how to protect Public safety and was lauded all over the world.

if you bothered to follow my posts you would see I support HCQ and IVM.
The problem you describe with both is the Regulators (not Big Pharma), who are not approving use.

How can we talk to someone with so little understanding? What is wrong with that sentence? You listen to no one but yourself so argue with yourself. What is wrong with it?

 

[No SPIN]

How can we talk to someone with so little understanding? What is wrong with that sentence? You listen to no one but yourself so argue with yourself. What is wrong with it?

Glad to have you back in the debate - now stop with cryptic posts and tell me what your point is.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Glad to have you back in the debate - now stop with cryptic posts and tell me what your point is.

For ****s sake mate, you said Pharma and Regulators are seperate. What proof do you have on that? When you look you wont find any

Lets start here atleast

How Big Pharma Was Captured by the One Percent

The industry's price-gouging economic model was engineered by Wall Street and its political enablers—and only Washington can fix it.

newrepublic.com

 

[Taylor]

If the reports about the association between the people who were sent to confirm the lab in Wuhan didn't leak a virus and the group who funded the research there with the responsibility to ensure it was safe is true, and it's suggested that two of the people who went were part of that group, then it's like having the prison guard company investigate it's own and finding that not only did no prisoners escape - there were no prisoners by that name at the time there at all.

It would be a shame if groups tasked with the funding and security of advanced virus experimentation were covering their own bums. It would be an even bigger shame if that group is also involved with academic funding grants to a significant portion of the market so they could lean on opinions against them.

And the great shame would be if something is politically convenient then it doesn't warrant further investigation.

How lucky that existing coronavirus vaccine research could be used to produce vaccine options so quickly, or maybe they just got lucky to find multiple ways to combat a new virus so fast. Maybe it is all just an issue of money.

 

[No SPIN]

For fu**s sake mate, you said Pharma and Regulators are seperate. What proof do you have on that? When you look you wont find any

Lets start here atleast

How Big Pharma Was Captured by the One Percent

The industry's price-gouging economic model was engineered by Wall Street and its political enablers—and only Washington can fix it.

newrepublic.com

Yes -another polemic against Big Pharma.
Big Pharma are drawing up their own regulations, fining themselves, sanctioning themselves, setting their own pricing - do I need to go one.
Just another BS narrative.
The industry is not perfect - but the World would be a much better place if all Industries had the regulartory over sight applied to Big Pharm. eg the mining industry.

But I think it’s time you abide by your own principles and stop taking medication.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

If the reports about the association between the people who were sent to confirm the lab in Wuhan didn't leak a virus and the group who funded the research there with the responsibility to ensure it was safe is true, and it's suggested that two of the people who went were part of that group, then it's like having the prison guard company investigate it's own and finding that not only did no prisoners escape - there were no prisoners by that name at the time there at all.

It would be a shame if groups tasked with the funding and security of advanced virus experimentation were covering their own bums. It would be an even bigger shame if that group is also involved with academic funding grants to a significant portion of the market so they could lean on opinions against them.

And the great shame would be if something is politically convenient then it doesn't warrant further investigation.

How lucky that existing coronavirus vaccine research could be used to produce vaccine options so quickly, or maybe they just got lucky to find multiple ways to combat a new virus so fast. Maybe it is all just an issue of money.

We can baby around it but its asking a monopoly to check the monopoly isnt abusing its monopoly power no matter how many ways you want to draw it up.

Its one big massive monopoly. If you dont go along with it, you will be kicked out of it... if you are that lucky.

The only way the monopoly would end in this case is with mass company deregistration and a complete rebuild from the ground up, largely focused on individual investments outside of the govt spectrum in order to create a system that is within normal consumer barriers

 

[Taylor]

We can baby around it but its asking a monopoly to check the monopoly isnt abusing its monopoly power no matter how many ways you want to draw it up.

Its one big massive monopoly. If you dont go along with it, you will be kicked out of it... if you are that lucky.

The only way the monopoly would end in this case is with mass company deregistration and a complete rebuild from the ground up, largely focused on individual investments outside of the govt spectrum in order to create a system that is within normal consumer barriers

I think we just need a media fraternity capable and willing to require transparency.

Currently we have activists and agents filtering information into either useful for their purposes or discarded. All while claiming to be objective and trusted.

Our systems aren't anywhere near as corrupt or corrupted as those in other places in the world, but the shine has well and truly come off and people are seeing things for closer to their reality.

There will be many more people less interested in large scale government interventions on anything.

 

[Joey JoJo Shabad]

This can't been good at all, Cyber attacks were part of the event201 back in 2019.

This may be one of cause's that will effect or create food shortages.

 

[Lethal Knights]

I guarantee most people here work for a organisations that are not altruistic and motivated by profit - so lets dispense with the hypocrisy.

Why do you need to persist with an absurd narrative - Big Pharma has contributed vastly to the understanding and treatment of disease, resulting in the control of Cardiovascular and Diabetes to name just 2, that has extended the lives of million.

The fashionable derision of the industry is both childish and naive.

Except if you or people close to you have paid a permanent price for some of their behaviour and products.
They are about $$$ and they take short cuts to get it. You want to foolishly trust them go for it.

 

[No SPIN]

Except if you or people close to you have paid a permanent price for some of their behaviour and products.
They are about $$$ and they take short cuts to get it. You want to foolishly trust them go for it.

what permanent price are you talking about?

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

what permanent price are you talking about?

I dont work for a company thats caused thousands of deaths knowingly for profit. Do you?

 

[Kurve]

Sacrificing for the younger generations continues long after childhood, just ask any parent.

And making decisions on behalf of all elderly people is the opposite of treating them with respect.

I'm losing track of what we're talking about, government making decisions for all of us? But go to any junior footy match and feel the love the parents have for the other side.

I had to bust something up not long ago, it was a shocker. Poor kid.

Part of that respect is them making their own decisions but the reality is when they go in to aged care, they can't just walk out and do whatever they want. Most of the time it's for their own safety and they have decisions made for them.

 

[No SPIN]

I dont work for a company thats caused thousands of deaths knowingly for profit. Do you?

Find me an industry that’s saved more lives than Big Pharma.
And have you thrown out your medication yet?
Or sent an email to friends and family to do the same ?

 

[MrKK]

I'm losing track of what we're talking about, government making decisions for all of us? But go to any junior footy match and feel the love the parents have for the other side.

I had to bust something up not long ago, it was a shocker. Poor kid.

Part of that respect is them making their own decisions but the reality is when they go in to aged care, they can't just walk out and do whatever they want. Most of the time it's for their own safety and they have decisions made for them.

Yes, lockdowns are the government making decisions for all of us. For the healthy elderly that means closing most of the exercise and social activities they need to maintain that health. For those in aged care it is social isolation that has terrible affects on dementia sufferers in particular.

Some parents are assholes at junior sport, that is unfortunately nothing new. They're probably the same ones who demand someone else has their business or their kid's school closed to protect themselves from Covid.

 

[Lethal Knights]

Fauci and co trying to erase something....

 

[Tiger Toffee]

Does this still have relevance in today's world in regards to masks, jabs and stupid QR codes because it's all related to medical.

I DON'T CONSENT

Does a health emergency act override your medical rights, i don't think so because i just read somewhere that before administering the jab they need your consent, isn't the jab a continuation of the current health emergency which also contains masks and QR codes as i think it is and therefore unless i give consent to wearing a mask or anything to do with qr codes/jotting down a name and number, i don't have too.

 

[No SPIN]

I dont work for a company thats caused thousands of deaths knowingly for profit. Do you?

no
But unlike you I have clear perspective on life, and know Big Pharma is not the bogey man.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

no
But unlike you I have clear perspective on life, and know Big Pharma is not the bogey man.

Thats because you havnt interacted with it like I have

No experience and no perspective. It explains why you are one so desperate for lockdowns to continue