Conspiracy Theory Coronavirus #2: Lockdowns

[M Malice]

I guarantee most people here work for a organisations that are not altruistic and motivated by profit - so lets dispense with the hypocrisy.

Why do you need to persist with an absurd narrative - Big Pharma has contributed vastly to the understanding and treatment of disease, resulting in the control of Cardiovascular and Diabetes to name just 2, that has extended the lives of million.

The fashionable derision of the industry is both childish and naive.

I haven't been a child since the 1970s and am far from naive.

Cardiovascular problems and Diabetes are largely lifestyle issues that could be easily solved and probably for less $$$$ if we subsidised better food choices and preventative measures, I never said that Big Pharma has not contributed but they have made massive errors costing countless lives as well.

 

[Kurve]

Jeez, with the average age of covid deaths being about 85, those 83 year olds must be worried they're near the end!

Society is better for us all where we value all life regardless, even if I understand the concept that those who are at risk like the elderly and immuno compromised could have been isolated rather than put everybody else who isn't through it all but that was never going to work.

 

[No SPIN]

No my parents are no longer here and I believe my mother's life was definitely shortened by overuse of pharmaceuticals. Myself, members of my family are sicker than they should be; autoimmune diseases, autism, diabetes being some of the conditions suffered. It's not beyond the realms of possibility that Big Pharma has contributed to this or at least the continuation of it.

So diabetes. autoimmune disease, autism are or will be treated in your family by a Big Pharma products.
But if you are concerned that Big Pharma are contributing to the continuation of the disease - then advise you family members to stop the drugs.
No big deal sport.
Clearly you are trying hard to discredit what you know deep down is actually benefiting these ill people - your fake bravado is both transparent and misplaced.

 

[No SPIN]

I haven't been a child since the 1970s and am far from naive.

Cardiovascular problems and Diabetes are largely lifestyle issues that could be easily solved and probably for less $$$$ if we subsidised better food choices and preventative measures, I never said that Big Pharma has not contributed but they have made massive errors costing countless lives as well.

Do you agree the human cost of the errors are insignificant, compared to the lives they've saved?

 

[M Malice]

Same here, I had to take myself off all the junk the doctors had me on after an accident and take control myself with over the counter. Physically, improvement was almost immediate, mentally the fog started to clear fast enough.

A few weeks later I told my doctor what I'd done, he looked a bit nervous and asked how I'd done it. I sacked him and see someone else now, I think they might be getting kickbacks of some sort.

LOL, yer my former GP and medical specialist were dumbfounded when I told them I gradually went off all my medication, I have never felt better apart from when I was a young whippersnapper.

 

[Bumpswithagrin]

Couldn't agree more with the bolded, although on better food... a lot of people in western societies go for the garbage food options.

The thing the medical industry do extremely well is emergency care eg. physical trauma from car accidents etc, stabbings, gunshot wounds, emergency appendectomies.... etc etc..

In terms of my parents, they ate really well up until probably the last ten years or so when processed food crept in. When we were growing up there was next to no junk food and good access to affordable good quality fruit and veg, meat and eggs and so on due to a higher standard of living that the previous generation. Yes, sadly now many people eat a lot of stuff that is processed crap and barely fits the definition of food but the good food is till there if you want it, unlike earlier times when poverty prevented you from getting good nutrition.

The medical industry and individual practitioners are amazing in what they do in some instances.

 

[M Malice]

Do you agree the human cost of the errors are insignificant, compared to the lives they've saved?

Yes, if you do a benefit/detriment analysis I agree that overall they have been a positive influence, a long long way from perfect though, how far from is the never ending debate though.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

So the only people who have told us big pharma is good and to be trusted is people who have never used it?

Sounds about right

 

[No SPIN]

So the only people who have told us big pharma is good and to be trusted is people who have never used it?

Sounds about right

And those telling they can't be trusted have NFI.

 

[Bumpswithagrin]

So diabetes. autoimmune disease, autism are or will be treated in your family by a Big Pharma products.
But if you are concerned that Big Pharma are contributing to the continuation of the disease - then advise you family members to stop the drugs.
No big deal sport.
Clearly you are trying hard to discredit what you know deep down is actually benefiting these ill people - your fake bravado is both transparent and misplaced.

No, they are sicker now than before, except the ones that have stopped the drugs, that is my point.

I'm not sure why you feel insulting people is contributing to the argument. If you think shaming people is going to work you are wasting your time with me.

 

[MrKK]

Society is better for us all where we value all life regardless, even if I understand the concept that those who are at risk like the elderly and immuno compromised could have been isolated rather than put everybody else who isn't through it all but that was never going to work.

Are we really valuing the life of the elderly of we force them to be cut off from their family and any activities that bring them enjoyment? I was an 85yo in a nursing home I'd be acutely aware that I mightn't live to the 3nd of a lockdown; I'm damn sure I don't want to spend my last days in isolation.

And we shouldn't value all lives equally. A child's life is more important than mine as they haven't had the opportunity to experience life as I have, and that goes on up the generation chain.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Are we really valuing the life of the elderly of we force them to be cut off from their family and any activities that bring them enjoyment? I was an 85yo in a nursing home I'd be acutely aware that I mightn't live to the 3nd of a lockdown; I'm damn sure I don't want to spend my last days in isolation.

And we shouldn't value all lives equally. A child's life is more important than mine as they haven't had the opportunity to experience life as I have, and that goes on up the generation chain.

Pretty much treating them like children. Its incredibly shameful

 

[Boogers]

More BS - why would a Company want to kill its customers?
You are completely unhinged on this issue.

LOL. You're joking, right? Worst logic ever. You could ask the same about cigarette companies.
Google "cost-benefit analysis", young fella

 

[No SPIN]

No, they are sicker now than before, except the ones that have stopped the drugs, that is my point.

I'm not sure why you feel insulting people is contributing to the argument. If you think shaming people is going to work you are wasting your time with me.

I have no problem shaming people who are trying to suggest that those who have confidence in Big Pharma are somehow misguided.
Frankly shaming people offering vacuous misinformation is not something that keeps me up at night.

You are not even prepared to acknowledge that Big Pharma has saved or at least extended the lives of your family members, for fear that you might be seen as hypocritical or heaven forbid a supporter of Big Pharma.
That to me is very very sad.

 

[No SPIN]

LOL. You're joking, right? Worst logic ever. You could ask the same about cigarette companies.

he was referring to Big Pharma, and worse implying it was systemic within the industry.
But when push came to shove he failed to back up his claims as per usual.

 

[Boogers]

he was referring to Big Pharma

Are you still joking? It's the same situation. The customers either take many years to die, during which time the companies make the money, or such a small percentage die that the pros far outweigh the cons

 

[Kurve]

So the only people who have told us big pharma is good and to be trusted is people who have never used it?

Sounds about right

Oh ... I think we've all benefitted from big pharma and vaccinations.

I can say I don't trust doctors much but I still attend and will take prescriptions, I'm just not as naive or lazy as I used to be and will get across all the pros and cons of what it is they say I 'must have'. As I don't have a spleen and with the experience of going down too hard on certain kinds of infections I have little resistance to, keep a supply of emergency antibiotics on hand and I have the flu shot every year.

 

[No SPIN]

Are you still joking? It's the same situation. The customers either take many years to die, during which time the companies make the money, or such a small percentage die that the pros far outweigh the cons

I think you are the comedian.

Go and tell a person with Diabetes or Hypertension, that the drugs that are keeping them alive are profit makers for Big Pharma.
They would laugh in your face.

I cant believe you even put up that argument.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Oh ... I think we've all benefitted from big pharma and vaccinations.

I can say I don't trust doctors much but I still attend and will take prescriptions, I'm just not as naive or lazy as I used to be and will get across all the pros and cons of what it is they say I 'must have'. As I don't have a spleen and with the experience of going down too hard on certain kinds of infections I have little resistance to, keep a supply of emergency antibiotics on hand and I have the flu shot every year.

To be fair I was 12 years old so wasnt really in that naive or lazy part of life

In saying that I am also going across the pros and cons. I just get punished for my decision and you will not.

 

[Kurve]

Are we really valuing the life of the elderly of we force them to be cut off from their family and any activities that bring them enjoyment? I was an 85yo in a nursing home I'd be acutely aware that I mightn't live to the 3nd of a lockdown; I'm damn sure I don't want to spend my last days in isolation.

You seem to be suggesting that the way we're doing it now by locking down and aiming for zero cases or more realistically, zero transmission is the better way for nan and pop?

And we shouldn't value all lives equally. A child's life is more important than mine as they haven't had the opportunity to experience life as I have, and that goes on up the generation chain.

We protect children because they're vulnerable, they can't get by without proper guardianship. The frail and elderly are like children, they need to be protected and deserve respect.

I think we just like kids more.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

You seem to be suggesting that the way we're doing it now by locking down and aiming for zero cases or more realistically, zero transmission is the better way for nan and pop?



We protect children because they're vulnerable, they can't get by without proper guardianship. The frail and elderly are like children, they need to be protected and deserve respect.

I think we just like kids more.

We protect children because they dont have the cognitive functions to make the right choices. My 70 year old uncle does not have this same problem.

 

[M Malice]

Are we really valuing the life of the elderly of we force them to be cut off from their family and any activities that bring them enjoyment? I was an 85yo in a nursing home I'd be acutely aware that I mightn't live to the 3nd of a lockdown; I'm damn sure I don't want to spend my last days in isolation.

And we shouldn't value all lives equally. A child's life is more important than mine as they haven't had the opportunity to experience life as I have, and that goes on up the generation chain.

Spot on, I have posted this before but my 82 year old mum said stuff the edict of not being able to see and hug your great grandchildren, grandchildren and children during lockdowns. Her exact words were life is not worth living if you can't see and hug your loved ones.

Also I certainly see my young grandchildren's lives as being of a lot more value than mine at 61 years of age.

 

[Boogers]

I think you are the comedian. Go and tell a person with Diabetes or Hypertension, that the drugs that are keeping them alive are profit makers for Big Pharma.
They would laugh in your face.

I cant believe you even put up that argument.

Well done. You sucked me right in, troll. Silly me. It's obviously not every medicine or every company, but you know that, because you're just baiting me, and I bit.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Well done. You sucked me right in, troll. Silly me. It's obviously not every medicine or every company, but you know that, because you're just baiting me, and I bit.

Ironic also given that diabetes and hypertension are self inflicted via unhealthy lifestyles caused by overconsumption

Pharma solving problems big business creates is hardly a newsflash there. They will always fix problems to allow those to overconsume once more

 

[No SPIN]

Well done. You sucked me right in, troll. Silly me. It's obviously not every medicine or every company, but you know that, because you're just baiting me, and I bit.

Glad you came to your senses.
I’m not baiting anyone - you started the conversation with me.