Conspiracy Theory Coronavirus #2: Lockdowns

[Hawk Dork]

Yet here you sit unvaxxed

Me being vaxed or not makes no difference as the gates dont open until the % of vaxed reach the magic number
The government knows they ****ed up with AZ and have ordered more than enough Moderna and Pfizer for everyone.
I will be getting one of these when they offer them in my town
Then we open up and I can travel with no fear of catching a variant that AZ doesnt protect me from

My health my choice

 

[burge13]

My health my choice

What an interesting turn. Youre a bigger hypocrite than i thought

 

[faible]

Your a self confessed Troll, yet you get offended.
Just a reminder, pretty accurate description of you hey.
troll is Internet slang for a person who intentionally tries to instigate conflict, hostility, or arguments in an online social community. Trolls often use inflammatory messages to provoke emotional responses out of people, disrupting otherwise civil discussion. ...

Not at all offended, I do find it amusing that people here get so worked up when asked to provide evidence or a logic sequence of thinking that they resort to personal attacks though. Usually pretty quickly too.

Yes, I do spend some time trolling certain posters in this thread. In others cases it's less about trolling and more about asking people to justify posting absolute fantasy with any kind of logical or coherent thought process.

Let's not pretend for a moment that a number of people in this thread have any interest beyond posting about and validating their own self-serving wants within a group that tends to lean towards the more alternative views and explanations on things. There's also a number of people in here with genuine concern for others, I've also mentioned someone I know that has a number of alternative views on this pandemic who posts avidly on social media, and has a deep concern for the people in his life.

I don't believe everyone posting here is a bad person, but I do believe that some people posting in this thread have no interest in anything beyond their own personal wants, and see this whole thing as less of a matter of community concern, and more of an individual inconvenience.

The problem is; those people then use various hot-button topics as a way to repackage their selfish concerns and appear as though they have empathy or in any way care about others.

 

[BlueE]

What are thoughts on Pfizer/Moderna/J&J being pushed as the better options? Seems convenient since they are making the most money out of it all. They are much more experimental than AZ.

I agree that the AZ seems to have been discredited w.r.t. Pfizer and Moderna. Still hasn't got emergency use authorisation in the US. Could be they're backing their own profits V Oxford AZ?

However both are experimental with previous failed animal trials they didn't try to relicate this time. Oxford AZ and J&J going simian DNA adenovector V Moderna and Pfizer, mRNA all to develop a spike protein.

 

[Tiger Toffee]

5 day lockdown incoming from friday till tuesday.

One thing i have learnt over this past year is to look to the obvious clues, AFL have just sent all 10 vic clubs into a 7 day lockdown, why 7 days you ask well it's wednesday, thursday and then the 5 days we all get from friday to tuesday.

Just like an easter long weekend really but feel for those cafes and restaurants who are going to be blindsided again and will have to throw out food, lost wages for the casuals etc

When are people going to stop complying and start pushing back, beggars belief that they just keep obeying.

 

[Hawk Dork]

What an interesting turn. Youre a bigger hypocrite than i thought

based on what ?
You get one choice of jabs in your life Im waiting for the one that will better protect me and my family
Which will also protect the community and cost tax payers less in medical bills

Tell me how your plan works ?

 

[Kurve]

Spitting on someone is an assault imo, I hope he's not seriously hurt but copped his right whack.

 

[yebiga]

Apparently so, such a free-thinker that you can't quite grasp grammar.

You got the hat trick today: nit picking, plagiarising and then calling for mummy to protect you.

 

[faible]

You got the hat trick today: nit picking, plagiarising and then calling for mummy to protect you.

That wasn't me.

Quoting your inane replies also doesn't count as plagiarising, and if you can't get simple grammar right that's on you.

 

[Run n Spread]

5 day lockdown incoming from friday till tuesday.

One thing i have learnt over this past year is to look to the obvious clues, AFL have just sent all 10 vic clubs into a 7 day lockdown, why 7 days you ask well it's wednesday, thursday and then the 5 days we all get from friday to tuesday.

Just like an easter long weekend really but feel for those cafes and restaurants who are going to be blindsided again and will have to throw out food, lost wages for the casuals etc

When are people going to stop complying and start pushing back, beggars belief that they just keep obeying.

Been announced tomorrow morning. AFL is so games can go ahead my guess.
****ing ridiculous. Again 15 months still doing this with no other options in site. ****ing madness.

 

[BlueE]

Yes, understood it shows virus fragments, demonstrated again when we keep finding it in the sewerage system and we can't be sure whether it's from someone who's about to get very sick or someone who's recovered.

Here I found this, on how viral load is measured. It's interesting actually even if I don't have time to get my my head right around it yet.

What is Viral Load?

Viral load refers to the amount of virus in an infected person’s blood. This is expressed as the number of viral particles in each milliliter of blood.

www.news-medical.net

I'm not sure who is narrating the video, but it's not reliable information.

According to summaries of research published in the BMJ, https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4851

The only test for live virus is viral culture. PCR and lateral flow tests do not distinguish live virus. No test of infection or infectiousness is currently available for routine use. (6,7,8) As things stand, a person who tests positive with any kind of test may or may not have an active infection with live virus, and may or may not be infectious.(9)

The relations between viral load, viral shedding, infection, infectiousness, and duration of infectiousness are not well understood. In a recent systematic review, no study was able to culture live virus from symptomatic participants after the ninth day of illness, despite persistently high viral loads in quantitative PCR diagnostic tests. However, cycle threshold (Ct) values from PCR tests are not direct measures of viral load and are subject to error.(10)

While viral load seems to be similar in people with and without symptoms, the presence of RNA does not necessarily represent transmissible live virus. The duration of viral RNA shedding (interval between first and last positive PCR result for any sample) is shorter in people who remain asymptomatic, so they are probably less infectious than people who develop symptoms.(11)

Viral culture studies suggest that people with SARS-CoV-2 can become infectious one to two days before the onset of symptoms and continue to be infectious up to seven days thereafter; viable virus is relatively short lived.(7) Symptomatic and presymptomatic transmission have a greater role in the spread of SARS-CoV-2 than truly asymptomatic transmission. (1,2,12,13)

A meta analysis of 54 studies with almost78,000 subjects, covered a few times on this thread showed an asymptomatic or pre symptomatic spread of SARS CoV 2 to close contacts is only 0.7% or statistically zero. "some studies reporting the timing of peak infectiousness at approximately the period of symptom onset" discrediting the theory from viral cultural studies that suggest people can become infectious one to two days before symptoms.

Conspiracy Theory - Coronavirus #2: Lockdowns

Seems Murdochs MSM is behind all the antimasker RWNJ Liberal Party youtube campaign ...just wondering who the sheeple are again ? https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/jan/10/how-an-anti-mask-firebrand-fans-the-rights-flames-against-dan-andrews-online

www.bigfooty.com

University of Florida researchers find no asymptomatic or presymptomatic spread - Alachua Chronicle

The study, conducted by the UF Department of Biostatistics, found that the secondary attack rate for asymptomatic index cases was not statistically different from zero

alachuachronicle.com

 

[BlueE]

The PCR technology used in tests to detect viruses cannot distinguish between viruses capable of infecting cells and viruses that have been neutralized by the immune system and therefore these tests cannot be used to determine whether someone is contagious or not. RNA from viruses can often be detected for weeks (sometimes months) after the illness but does not mean that you are still contagious.

Sweden Stops using PCR Tests - RNA from Viruses can be Detected for Months After Infection

As Translated from the Swedish Public Health Agency:Guidance on criteria for assessment of freedom from infection in covid-19The Swedish Public Health Agency has developed national criteria for assessing freedom from infection in covid-19.The PCR technology used in tests to detect viruses cannot...

streetloc.com

A reminder that these PCR positive tests do not indicate a positive COVID case or if a person is infectious.

Vic is being shut down on lies and fear pr0n.

 

[Run n Spread]

I struggle to see the end goal. What is 5 days going to do? The Nepalese version is out now. Perhaps an Australian variant will be next.
5 days isn't just 5 days.
Small businesses rely on weekends.
Weddings, milestones, studies interrupted this is all time we don't get back.
And to achieve what? What the hell are we doing?
Covid ain't going anywhere.
Vaccines may not work.
Then what?

 

[yebiga]

Not at all offended, I do find it amusing that people here get so worked up when asked to provide evidence or a logic sequence of thinking that they resort to personal attacks though. Usually pretty quickly too.

Yes, I do spend some time trolling certain posters in this thread. In others cases it's less about trolling and more about asking people to justify posting absolute fantasy with any kind of logical or coherent thought process.

Let's not pretend for a moment that a number of people in this thread have any interest beyond posting about and validating their own self-serving wants within a group that tends to lean towards the more alternative views and explanations on things. There's also a number of people in here with genuine concern for others, I've also mentioned someone I know that has a number of alternative views on this pandemic who posts avidly on social media, and has a deep concern for the people in his life.

I don't believe everyone posting here is a bad person, but I do believe that some people posting in this thread have no interest in anything beyond their own personal wants, and see this whole thing as less of a matter of community concern, and more of an individual inconvenience.

The problem is; those people then use various hot-button topics as a way to repackage their selfish concerns and appear as though they have empathy or in any way care about others.

How are your posts not self serving precisely. What would self serving even mean on an obscure conspiracy board?
Detail how you could determine who is concerned about others, when we are all anonymous. How do you determine whether some one is a bad person - what the hell would that mean?

The primary purpose on an anonymous board is surely to explore ideas and expose yourself to views you may not otherwise come across.
This post of yours is quite revelatory and not in a good way

 

[Hawk Dork]

A reminder that these PCR positive tests do not indicate a positive COVID case or if a person is infectious.

Vic is being shut down on lies and fear pr0n.

Damned if you do damned if you dont

Zero cases is the gold standard until we get vaxed

 

[Yahru MkElvin]

Open Letter to a Friend Who “Tested Positive”…and Should Have Known Better

Jerry Bernini Dear Josef K, Several weeks have passed since you told me that you “tested positive” for what was initially and briefly called Sars-CoV-2 and then quickly became the more euphonious a…

off-guardian.org

 

[yebiga]

That wasn't me.

Quoting your inane replies also doesn't count as plagiarising, and if you can't get simple grammar right that's on you.

But you know we are all only trolling you because you are so self serving, not quite a bad person but clearly you are not here for humanity but for yourself
Is that right?

 

[Hawk Dork]

I struggle to see the end goal. What is 5 days going to do? The Nepalese version is out now. Perhaps an Australian variant will be next.
5 days isn't just 5 days.
Small businesses rely on weekends.
Weddings, milestones, studies interrupted this is all time we don't get back.
And to achieve what? What the hell are we doing?
Covid ain't going anywhere.
Vaccines may not work.
Then what?

Variants need to bounce around un checked in order to mutate
Doubt we will see a variant from the countries who seem to contain it

Vaccines do work
They reduce death and spread not to zero but by quite a bit
after the Fed election we will be asked to accept more deaths and spread as we open up
Pretty sure that will include a vax passport in and out

 

[Kurve]

I'm not sure who is narrating the video, but it's not reliable information.

According to summaries of research published in the BMJ, https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4851

The only test for live virus is viral culture. PCR and lateral flow tests do not distinguish live virus. No test of infection or infectiousness is currently available for routine use. (6,7,8) As things stand, a person who tests positive with any kind of test may or may not have an active infection with live virus, and may or may not be infectious.(9)

The relations between viral load, viral shedding, infection, infectiousness, and duration of infectiousness are not well understood. In a recent systematic review, no study was able to culture live virus from symptomatic participants after the ninth day of illness, despite persistently high viral loads in quantitative PCR diagnostic tests. However, cycle threshold (Ct) values from PCR tests are not direct measures of viral load and are subject to error.(10)

While viral load seems to be similar in people with and without symptoms, the presence of RNA does not necessarily represent transmissible live virus. The duration of viral RNA shedding (interval between first and last positive PCR result for any sample) is shorter in people who remain asymptomatic, so they are probably less infectious than people who develop symptoms.(11)

Viral culture studies suggest that people with SARS-CoV-2 can become infectious one to two days before the onset of symptoms and continue to be infectious up to seven days thereafter; viable virus is relatively short lived.(7) Symptomatic and presymptomatic transmission have a greater role in the spread of SARS-CoV-2 than truly asymptomatic transmission. (1,2,12,13)

A meta analysis of 54 studies with almost78,000 subjects, covered a few times on this thread showed an asymptomatic or pre symptomatic spread of SARS CoV 2 to close contacts is only 0.7% or statistically zero. "some studies reporting the timing of peak infectiousness at approximately the period of symptom onset" discrediting the theory from viral cultural studies that suggest people can become infectious one to two days before symptoms.

Conspiracy Theory - Coronavirus #2: Lockdowns

Seems Murdochs MSM is behind all the antimasker RWNJ Liberal Party youtube campaign ...just wondering who the sheeple are again ? https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/jan/10/how-an-anti-mask-firebrand-fans-the-rights-flames-against-dan-andrews-online

www.bigfooty.com

University of Florida researchers find no asymptomatic or presymptomatic spread - Alachua Chronicle

The study, conducted by the UF Department of Biostatistics, found that the secondary attack rate for asymptomatic index cases was not statistically different from zero

alachuachronicle.com

They're working on it.

Transmissibility of COVID-19 depends on the viral load around onset in adult and symptomatic patients

Transmissibility of COVID-19 depends on the viral load around onset in adult and symptomatic patients

Objective To investigate the relationship between viral load and secondary transmission in novel coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19). Methods Epidemiological and clinical data were obtained from immunocompetent laboratory-confirmed patients with COVID-19 who were admitted to and/or from whom...

journals.plos.org

 

[Yahru MkElvin]

 

[Tiger Toffee]

Damned if you do damned if you dont

Zero cases is the gold standard until we get vaxed

0 case policy is idiotic and all it does it lead to the madness we are now seeing, it is embarrassing and everyone who endorses this should be ashamed.

This country should be able to handle 15-25 cases without even blinking but what it shows is this country is a panic driven mess once even 2 cases pop up.

This is truly the most shameful couple of days this country has had in the past year.

 

[Hawk Dork]

0 case policy is idiotic and all it does it lead to the madness we are now seeing, it is embarrassing and everyone who endorses this should be ashamed.

This country should be able to handle 15-25 cases without even blinking but what it shows is this country is a panic driven mess once even 2 cases pop up.

This is truly the most shameful couple of days this country has had in the past year.

Its all well and good if you could get the virus to cooperate with a hand full of cases but it doesnt want to
Then theres the political blame game

 

[Kurve]

A reminder that these PCR positive tests do not indicate a positive COVID case or if a person is infectious.

Vic is being shut down on lies and fear pr0n.

I'm not advocating for lockdowns, if we go in to another one it's a big drama for me personally in more than one area but the virus is being transmitted in all the places we might expect it to be. First, among close contacts and family in the home.

 

[BlueE]

Damned if you do damned if you dont

Zero cases is the gold standard until we get vaxed

Problem is as Australia's Emeritus Professor suggested, we could have taken the safe and effective medicine path, treating people that have symptoms. You will know if you get it!

If the infection developed into the more serious inflammatory stage in vulnerable people, we know how to treat effectively.

At the moment panicking, because a few people are testing positive with an unreliable test that the inventor and Canadian Dr Hodkinson (involved in manufacturing them) said never should be used, is propaganda madness.

A reminder.

Don't mention Ivermectin; it'll upset the vaccine rollout

Ivermectin is seen as a repeat of hydroxychloroquine and not to be taken seriously. Belief in it, worthy only of derision.

www.biznews.com

 

[M Malice]

I thought this might be of some interest here.

I'm doing a little research at the moment looking for a really good vitamin and mineral supplement and ran across this by chance in a list of the worst supplements >

https://thehealthbeat.com/best-worst-multi-vitamins-athletes/


2. Centrum Multi-Vitamin/Mineral: Made by the pharmaceutical company Pfizer, and brings in close to 1 billion in sales. Centrum uses synthetic vitamin E (dl-alpha-tocopherol) and beta carotene, the same kind that has been found to cause detrimental health problems like prostate and lung cancer. It uses the oxide form of magnesium, which only 4% is absorbed. It contains hydrogenated palm oil, a trans-fat highly correlated to heart disease, not to mention all the horrible artificial colors including FD#C Blue #2, Yellow #6 and Red #40 found to disrupt mitochondrial function (the power house of a cell).

A study published in the Journal of Food and Chemical Toxicology found that the dyes actually enter the bloodstream through the skin or digestive system, debunking previous expertise that the skin blocked it and the digestive system destroyed it first. This is alarming because these dyes have already been linked to ADHD, allergies, and asthma, but due to the dye’s ability to inhibit cellular respiration, a whole cascade of health effects.