Health Coronavirus 2020 / Worldwide (Stats live update in OP) Part 6

[burge13]

Cuba on Monday (Sept 6) became the first country in the world to vaccinate children from the age of two against Covid-19, using home-grown jabs not recognised by the World Health Organisation.


The communist island of 11.2 million people aims to inoculate all its children before reopening schools that have been closed for the most part since March 2020.


The Cuban vaccines, the first developed in Latin America, have not undergone international, scientific peer review.


They are based on recombinant protein technology - the same used by the United States' Novavax and France's Sanofi jabs also awaiting WHO approval.


Unlike many other shots in use, recombinant vaccines do not require extreme refrigeration.


The majority of schools in Cuba have been closed since March 2020, reopening for a few weeks at the end of last year before closing again in January.

How many 2 year olds have died from covid?

 

[HirdyLannister]

The jews back at it again, wanting an exemption to attend their religious prayers in groups. fu** off the lot of you.

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They've been denied, which is fantastic.

Imagine the outrage if it was granted, would of been a total **** it point where everyone would stop listening completely

 

[troybe]

Wonder how many people actually called the TGA. Not many, if any I’m betting


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[Gralin]

I'm already fully vaccinated. I have my little government issued certificate for it and everything. I needed to in order to visit my mother in law.

The truth about masks is that if you are sick you should wear one as it will reduce transmission to other people if you have to leave your isolation. These masks need to be changed regularly and if they are reusable need to be washed using special protocols.

If you're not sick then the mask will be far, far less effective at transmitting the virus because once the droplets are on your mask it's easier to breathe them in from it than it is to pass them out through it if you were infected.

Masks as a general protective measure are useful when you aren't sure if you're infected. They would be useful at stopping spread of infection if someone has been in a position to potentially have encountered the virus.

The story with masks thus far has been:
We should have a mask culture like Asian nations do, they seem to be handling the spread of covid well for some reason and we suspect it's the masks.
NO! Masks have no benefit and you don't need them.
(Actually we were lying to you so the medical field could retain PPE for it's use)
Masks for everyone!
Double masks are silly, there's no benefit to two.
Double masks are clearly better (Fauci "it just makes common sense")

Actually all of that was parroted by Fauci.

Fauci? Who gives a **** about him, he's not running things in Australia, you need to get off YouTube

Science | AAAS

www.science.org

I love these articles because people jump to all sorts of conclusion that that article proposes and also cautions against.

In a very small sample size of cases that weren't controlled where screening is voluntary and with no context around risk and the purpose of vaccines you get we should infect everyone because it's 6-13 times better

This further plays into my theory that we need to get as many people vaccinated and infected with covid as possible. Then we get actual resilient and persistent protection community wide.

If it needs to be sold as a not all heroes wear capes thing then offer to pay medically screened adults and children for two weeks staying at home while they recover from covid-19.

****ing hope you're never in a position where you get involved in public health policy

"We are not lunatic fringe"

That's what they all say

You need to wait a month after your second dose.

And you need to be prepared to be isolated from everyone until you have recovered. Dead end cases that have an R value of 0. If we can have 10,000,000 covid cases tomorrow that nobody dies from and nobody gives to anyone else then we can knock our community susceptibility right on the head.

Yeah nice real world scenario you have there for your shit take

 

[Taylor]

Yeah nice real world scenario you have there for your sh*t take

It wasn't intended to be. Context matters, except when you're trying to dismiss someone from the discussion evidently.

 

[davemc_lions]

Mate lives down Mornington way
He wonders why he is in lockdown although Bacchus March which is closer to outbreak is free.
Geelong also closer to the naughty areas.

Too late to do anything with the west and north just have to hope they take the vax now

 

[Gralin]

It wasn't intended to be. Context matters, except when you're trying to dismiss someone from the discussion evidently.

Yeah but you didn't give context just your superior thought bubbles

 

[Brad Goodman]

They've been denied, which is fantastic.

Imagine the outrage if it was granted, would of been a total fu** it point where everyone would stop listening completely

I'm not sure why they bothered asking, they'll go ahead anway

 

[Chief]

But the language of it makes it seem like it's a rare side effect.

If everyone is vaccinated, it would be a very rare occurrence.

 

[JackOutback]

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Wonder how many people actually called the TGA. Not many, if any I’m betting


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How far down the rabbit hole do you have to be to take medicines that have the potential to affect your health, that not even the maker recommends, because your ideological teammates championed it. You’re not a horse, George, though you are an ass.

 

[Gralin]

So I really struggle with people still not getting the point of vaccines.

The main point in most cases is to decrease the impact of a virus, if you can eradicate great but it's about saving lives and also about Kong term better health outcomes.

Surviving covid might give you more immunity against future infection than a vaccine but a vaccine reduces the chances of death or long term health impact from covid.

It's a lower risk option that can be targeted and tracked and controlled

 

[knife]

There have been only 256 deaths with coronavirus among people in England who were fully vaccinated in the first six months of the year, out of a total of 51,281 Covid deaths, new data has revealed.

Only 256 Covid deaths out of over 50,000 among fully vaccinated people

New analysis shows far fewer Covid-19 deaths among fully vaccinated people

www.independent.co.uk

Really interesting read, 256 deaths from what were considered true breakthrough infections and the average age of those was 84 years of age. 76% of those were also classed as extremely clinically vulnerable and only 59 did not have a serious medical condition.

Just 59 Covid deaths this year among people who weren’t ‘extremely clinically vulnerable’ and double-jabbed

Around 99pc of victims had not had two doses, but as Telegraph's Science Editor explains, three jabs are unlikely to bring a benefit

www.telegraph.co.uk

 

[Hawk Dork]

Really interesting read, 256 deaths from what were considered true breakthrough infections and the average age of those was 84 years of age. 76% of those were also classed as extremely clinically vulnerable and only 59 did not have a serious medical condition.

Just 59 Covid deaths this year among people who weren’t ‘extremely clinically vulnerable’ and double-jabbed

Around 99pc of victims had not had two doses, but as Telegraph's Science Editor explains, three jabs are unlikely to bring a benefit

www.telegraph.co.uk

Probably shows the vax is pretty good at stopping you dying and the most vulnerable probably need a 3rd
Obviously you need to keep adding time and possible variables

 

[Brasher]

So I really struggle with people still not getting the point of vaccines.

The main point in most cases is to decrease the impact of a virus, if you can eradicate great but it's about saving lives and also about Kong term better health outcomes.

Surviving covid might give you more immunity against future infection than a vaccine but a vaccine reduces the chances of death or long term health impact from covid.

It's a lower risk option that can be targeted and tracked and controlled

This is what I don't get either. Even worse case scenario....

Virus bad.

Vaccine less bad but better than Virus.

Lockdown worse than Virus for most.

Vaccine kill lockdown.

 

[Taylor]

If everyone is vaccinated, it would be a very rare occurrence.

Let's take a look at the data in Israel and the UK where almost everyone is either vaccinated or has previously had covid, which is even better.

Looks like case numbers are still huge and let's apply a touch of logic to it, since such a large number of vaccinated people are catching it and they can't all have been in contact with the minority of people who are unvaccinated they must have passed it between themselves.

Otherwise wouldn't we expect to see herd immunity in effect? Vastly suppressed case numbers?

Instead we see large case numbers with lower negative outcomes for vaccinated people.

That's really your headline. Watch for the winter season in the UK. Case numbers will explode with "rare" breakthrough cases of vaccinated people giving it to vaccinated people and maybe along the way an not vaccinated person will catch it from one of the vaccinated and die.

 

[Chief]

in Israel and the UK where almost everyone is either vaccinated or has previously had covid

This is incorrect. One of Israel’s issues is it’s high % is only for eligible people.

it’s really at something like 65% of total population - I will search for the precise figure later.

What happens when the MMR vaccination falls below like 90% (again, I’ll search for the precise figure later) in some of those idiot communities? You get outbreaks of those diseases.

 

[Taylor]

This is incorrect. One of Israel’s issues is it’s high % is only for eligible people.

it’s really at something like 65% of total population - I will search for the precise figure later.

What happens when the MMR vaccination falls below like 90% (again, I’ll search for the precise figure later) in some of those idiot communities? You get outbreaks of those diseases.

That could be a fair comparison actually. Exposure locally being very low to nil, majority vaccinated, introduction from overseas and then spread around reduced symptom vaccinated people.

That wouldn't bode well for international travel plans, but if that same standard holds up with covid as it does with say measels, then we might just not have it here anymore.

 

[Chief]

The jews back at it again, wanting an exemption to attend their religious prayers in groups. fu** off the lot of you.

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What, ALL of them??

 

[Better Loosen Up]

I’m a bit over 30 hours since second jab and probably 20 hours since I started the adverse reactions, mines getting worse.

Unless there was some sort of guarantee a booster wouldn’t do the same as this I probably wouldn’t bother.

I'm at about the 20 hour mark now. Still no adverse effects yet...

 

[Poetic Justice]

Finally got a pfizer booking for Monday arvo!

 

[Catfish Alley]

My wife is off to London for work in a couple of weeks. Will be interested to hear her perspective of how things are over there.

 

[Hawk Dork]

My wife is off to London for work in a couple of weeks. Will be interested to hear her perspective of how things are over there.

Does she have to show vax passport or quarantine in either direction ?

 

[Sub_Zero]

they should really stop reporting on case and test numbers and just report deaths and hospitalization numbers.

 

[Hawk Dork]

they should really stop reporting on case and test numbers and just report deaths and hospitalization numbers.

24/7 live feed from the ICU ward and the ambulance ramps would be good motivation to get people vaxed

 

[phantom13]

I'm at about the 20 hour mark now. Still no adverse effects yet...

Turned a bit of a corner last night, my glands are crazy swollen (I don’t have an armpit at the moment it’s actually convex) but feeling alright. Still headache and a bit of a fever but 100 times better than yesterday