Coronavirus/COVID-19

[Dogs_R_Us]

3AW says Covid positive removalists not cooperating with contact tracers Should be charged with something serious

Cultural suspicion of authority plus loyalty to friends and family first.

 

[dogwatch]

Slightly better numbers coming out of NSW today. In particular the number of people “out while infectious” has halved.

However there was another death - a man in his 70s.

All of Victoria’s three new cases were in home isolation. One had returned under a red zone declaration and the other two were in the same household. However there are new exposure sites at Ballan and Craigieburn, probably from the (claimed) removalists. Anxious times.

 

[Mattdougie]

Cultural suspicion of authority plus loyalty to friends and family first.

lol cultural suspicion of authority, I love this idea.

What a crock of absolute shite, the only people concerned about cops are people that deal with them regularly here or overseas.

 

[Bulldogs85]

One positive case in my home town of Goulburn NSW

 

[dogwatch]

One positive case in my home town of Goulburn NSW

Construction worker who travelled from Sydney.

 

[Mantis Toboggan]

3AW says Covid positive removalists not cooperating with contact tracers Should be charged with something serious

Some are suggesting ‘removalists’ might not have anything to do with furniture.

On another forum, someone is suggesting that their home has already been searched and law enforcement actions will follow.

South Australia saying that they are co-operating but they didn’t use QR codes to check in anywhere.

 

[LittleG]

Ballan Service Station & McDonald’s is a place where they visited and had a meal inside. They weren’t suppose to go inside but use drive through and eat in their car.

Looking at the date, Covid missed me by a day, otherwise I would have to isolate and get tested.

 

[Mofra]

Hawke and Keating trusted their ministers, and hence were outstanding contributors. Rudd was such a control freak thought he was smarter than everyone else so his own colleagues couldn’t wait to get rid of him.

Yep/ OPMC staff numbers exploded under Rudd.
Department Heads would hold back work and wait until Gillard (as DPM) was in the chair as she could actually clear the backlog.

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

Ballan Service Station & McDonald’s is a place where they visited and had a meal inside. They weren’t suppose to go inside but use drive through and eat in their car.

Looking at the date, Covid missed me by a day, otherwise I would have to isolate and get tested.

Did you QR check in? If you didn't (or hadn't) would you step up and admit you were there if it was the same day?

 

[ScragCity]

Yep/ OPMC staff numbers exploded under Rudd.
Department Heads would hold back work and wait until Gillard (as DPM) was in the chair as she could actually clear the backlog.

What is OPMC?

 

[Mofra]

What is OPMC?

Office of Prime Minister and Cabinet

 

[Norm De Guerre]

What is OPMC?

I think he meant Department of Prime Minister and Cabinet.

Edit: See above.

 

[dogwatch]

Yep/ OPMC staff numbers exploded under Rudd.
Department Heads would hold back work and wait until Gillard (as DPM) was in the chair as she could actually clear the backlog.

A decade or so later they have the same need for control but they do it differently.

They bring in "ministerial advisers" in place of the public servants. Not being career public servants they can sidestep a lot of the rules and if they do happen to get caught overstepping the mark they'll be looked after in finding another job somewhere else, or maybe not even lose their job at all, perhaps just shuffled elsewhere.

These "advisers" provide cover, lack of accountability and plausible deniability to all the dirty deeds of the ministers (and others). They also do things like the mischievous backgrounding of journos on characters they want to undermine. The public servants are left to do the menial process-driven tasks while much of the critical policy and advice stuff is done by party hacks who have been given the agenda in advance. So much for frank and fearless advice from the public service.

And when there's a change of government all the old ministerial hacks are replaced with a new set, so we lose continuity and corporate memory.

By such means are our democratic institutions being undermined. Our democracy is impoverished.

 

[LittleG]

Did you QR check in? If you didn't (or hadn't) would you step up and admit you were there if it was the same day?

Of course, QR code’s are easy to use.
I ha e already quarantined previously for 5 days but the person I had had contact with never became positive, so I got let out early.

 

[LittleG]

Did you QR check in? If you didn't (or hadn't) would you step up and admit you were there if it was the same day?

Not many country people use QR code’s. so a very valid question.

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

Of course, QR code’s are easy to use.
I ha e already quarantined previously for 5 days but the person I had had contact with never became positive, so I got let out early.

I just wondered if people in Victoria voluntarily isolate and get tested, if they haven't been contacted by contact tracers but were in the vicinity of a "positive case".

Yes, we have QR check-ins in Qld but I have never been tested, long may that continue.

 

[LittleG]

I just wondered if people in Victoria voluntarily isolate and get tested, if they haven't been contacted by contact tracers but were in the vicinity of a "positive case".

Yes, we have QR check-ins in Qld but I have never been tested, long may that continue.

Although my parents have both had their jabs and I have had mine…. My dad isn’t going to survive Covid (only just got his second AZ last week). He gets every cold, every flu and takes ages to recover. I would like him to live a while longer. Therefore, I would isolate when/if required. There are other peoples dads that might be like my dad, so I would rather not be involved in passing it on.
With this new mRNA vaccines, I am hoping they use them to make a better influenza vaccine.

 

[hutchy31]

So the NSW government still can't define what an essential worker is - and workers in Fairfield should only go to work if it is "really essential". So not only are they screwing up their lockdown they're also taking a hatchet to the English language. Nice.

There are now at least some economic federal and state supports to business and to workers with today's announcements, so why will they not define it and lock down properly? Hazzard thinks that "to try and define essential work is really very challenging" - except it's been done in hundreds of places across the world in the past 18 months. Emergency services, Healthcare, supermarkets/food retailers, pharmacy, trades/construction only where necessary for the residence(s) to function. Maybe a couple of others - but not general retail and a free-for-all provided you and your boss can agree that it's "essential" you're in the office.

The problem we now have is that this inability to effectively manage a lockdown is going to cost most of us in neighbouring states at some point soon - it's almost inevitable some/all of us will be in snap lockdown in the near future.

 

[dogwatch]

I just wondered if people in Victoria voluntarily isolate and get tested, if they haven't been contacted by contact tracers but were in the vicinity of a "positive case".

Yes, we have QR check-ins in Qld but I have never been tested, long may that continue.

Queensland? I always thought you were in Sirius!

 

[footscray1973]

So over 2 hours coinciding with removalists last Thursday during peak hour at the Ballan servo and Maccas, 25 people scanned the QR codes. I diligently scan everywhere in the Greater Ballarat area as required, and at Marvel games, etc. Ballan would have at least 100 customers per hour in and out of the complex. Great work everyone that couldn't be ar5ed. Takes a whole 30 seconds or so out of people's lives, but just can't be ar5ed. F*** these so-called humans.

 

[VogonProsthetnic]

So home removal is an essential activity? If so shouldn’t the moving company have organised Victorians to deliver the furniture.

Interesting that Frydenberg now claiming that Victorian and NSW lockdowns are different to justifygenerous handouts to NSW businesses just 4 weeks after backgrounding journos that Vic government were wasting their time asking for business assistance.

Love to see him come down to Melbourne and explain that one to Victorians.

 

[ScragCity]

So home removal is an essential activity?

Yes. As it should be. You want to tell people they can't move home?

 

[VogonProsthetnic]

Yes. As it should be. You want to tell people they can't move home?

‘In that case it is not a lockdown.

In any case, there was no need for the NSW removalists to drive all the way to Melbourne and wander through an apartment block.

 

[dogwatch]

So home removal is an essential activity? If so shouldn’t the moving company have organised Victorians to deliver the furniture.

Interesting that Frydenberg now claiming that Victorian and NSW lockdowns are different to justifygenerous handouts to NSW businesses just 4 weeks after backgrounding journos that Vic government were wasting their time asking for business assistance.

Love to see him come down to Melbourne and explain that one to Victorians.

He was in Melbourne when he said it. He's a Melburnian. (Or is my facetiometer in need of recalibrating?)

 

[dogwatch]

I just watched the best film that I've seen on Covid-19 and strongly recommend it. It's called "Cracking Covid" by Emmy-award winning Melbourne-based film maker Sonya Pemberton.

Trailer:

Trailer - Cracking Covid

'Cracking COVID' is a rollercoaster real-time journey through Australia’s pandemic experience. It airs on ABC, Tuesday, July 13, 8.30pm.

www.theage.com.au

Using footage and first hand accounts taken throughout 2020 and early 2021. While Melbourne-centric it still takes a world view and an Australian view. It tracks the emergence of the disease, its spread, the lockdowns, the development of vaccines and the different impacts on those who get it. It's done with empathy and humanity combined with cold hard science and without political commentary or rancour. A remarkable achievement.

It includes segments where Pemberton is allowed to be an observer in the Doherty Institute's regular Zoom meetings as the year progresses.

If you want an insight into any of the following you should watch it:

• how does Covid make you sick?
• how do the vaccines work?
• what did Australian scientists contribute to the battle with Covid?
• was Australia's lockdown approach exceptional in any way?
• why don't most children get severe Covid symptoms?
• how many people around the world are suffering from "long covid"?
• what happened to the UQ vaccine - why did it not proceed to full trials and production?
• if we are meant to "follow the science" why is it constantly changing?
• what impacts can Covid have on young people? The case study was a husband and father in his early 40s.
• is it important whether I get vaccinated or not?

It was on ABC so I imagine you can watch it any time on iView. Do yourself a favour.