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Verdun said:
So....you believe the industry ie the AFL should make sure the players are paid very well?

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No I believe the players should get what they deserve and what can be afforded and what is negotiated. The governments job is to pay people effected by cv who can’t earn an income now. If that’s an ex afl worker then they get some government handouts like I will probably starting next week.
 
BrutThough said:
It's only 1st and 2nd year players on less than 100k, and even then, they are still earning about 80k at worst.

Wouldn't be complaining about those figures when compared to their peers not in the AFL system.
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Match payments missing will be a big hit too.
 
plugger66 said:
No I believe the players should get what they deserve and what can be afforded and what is negotiated. The governments job is to pay people effected by cv who can’t earn an income now. If that’s an ex afl worker then they get some government handouts like I will probably starting next week.
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Respect Plugger......there is a role for government it is not a handout it is what society should do and those who need it deserve - like players
 

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plugger66 said:
That’s clearly not true if they give up 50% for the rest of the season. And it will be more than that. We need to stop comparing. Do we compare a fantastic worker compared to a guy who struggled to add 2 and 2. These guys are elite footballers and are part of an industry that generates many millions. Actually close to 800 million a year.
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They are more like a brilliant actor though. A film loses the budget and they don't make the film...... They just don't get paid. It's like getting a contract to mow a lawn at a business who's factory burnt down. Technically you are entitled to mow it and invoice them, morally perhaps it's time to be flexible so that they restart.
 
George said:
They aren't silly. Over half the players are on $50,000. They won't survive on a 80% pay cut.

I get some players are on hundreds of thousands a year, but we have to make sure rookies in their first year or players 35-40 on each list are also taken care of.
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20% of $100 k is better than getting nothing and losing your job like your mum.
 
gringo2011 said:
They are more like a brilliant actor though. A film loses the budget and they don't make the film...... They just don't get paid. It's like getting a contract to mow a lawn at a business who's factory burnt down. Technically you are entitled to mow it and invoice them, morally perhaps it's time to be flexible so that they restart.
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If a film falls though I think many may still get paid if it starts as the afl did. If I started mowing a lawn and they went broke yes I wouldn’t get paid but I also wouldn’t train my mowing just in case they got back in business
 
sammm said:
20% of $100 k is better than getting nothing and losing your job like your mum.
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Thought some wanted them to take 80%?
 
plugger66 said:
If a film falls though I think many may still get paid if it starts as the afl did. If I started mowing a lawn and they went broke yes I wouldn’t get paid but I also wouldn’t train my mowing just in case they got back in business
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Yeah, like one day filming on a 6 month shoot, get paid about 10% of the contract tops.
 

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Everyone has a chance, this is life, it is one of endless choices in a finite period, you know it has a start and an end.

AFL players, just like NRL players, soccer players, cricketers, anyone of a sporting ability in sporting code; that code does not exist without those players. They are the commodity, they are the marketing, they are the reason for existence as without them, there is nothing but an idea, and a piece of dirt. The company you work for, this existed before you, this existed with you, this can and likely will exist after you, the job you do can be done by others, the reason for your employment is because someone else made a choice for you in most situations.

That is perspective, we are all selfish freeloaders getting benefits from somewhere that's not our own.

Now sure, we made the choice to accept terms of contract and get employed, but we're not in the power initially.

The AFL Commission is a corporation, whose aim, is to market AFL players, playing the game of Australian Rules Football.
The AFLPA is a union body with this corporation.

This means they are a company.
This means they have an income.
This means they have shares and shareholders.
This means they have management of employees.
This means they have employees they need to pay.

Just as you, signed a contract with an employer saying "I will work for this amount of plastic, this amount of the time", so did they.

Get off your damned high horses in saying they need to do more because their choices were not yours, they didn't agree to your terms, they don't do what you do, they aren't what you are in an employee sense, we are all just humans, and for centuries we've killed each other because differences so it's not something to champion. The addict likely came from an environment of addiction, caffeine is a drug yeah?

Everyone is or should be (will always be outliers) sacrificing. Everyone. We don't get to choose who sacrifices what.

By all means, Dangers a dumbarse for the comments, go ham. But goddamn "players" should sacrifice more because no one works above the age of 35 ever, to give to the disadvantaged, in completely different fields, because sporting codes are charities and not traded companies on the ASX or a ruling body of a sovereign nation.

Perspective, right....
 
Johnnyrayflamingo said:
Yep. Bloke thinks he is kingshit. He is an overpaid sportsman like some others who couldn't get a job in the real world or have the same success.
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He did the dodgy deal on less coin to screw Adelaide knowing that they'd get less compo than they deserved. He signed a contract with any increases in TPP factored in so that his wage would go up anyway. He's like Luke Ball to me. Burnt his first club at trade time.
 
Joffaboy said:
Crapping on about only quarantining West Australians only no other Australians, pointing fingers at 'the East' i.e NSW, just pandering to West Australians inferiority complex.

Blood hell keep the border shut for ever AFAIAC if that is STILL the retrograde attitude.
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i imagine there's back ground behind that

the talk over here is we haven't played to our strengths from our unique circumstance of being the most isolated city in the world. in theory we could isolate our borders pretty well. our infected numbers are much lower which would give us a pretty good hand to get to 0 or a more manageable number.

the other issue that came up was covid infected coming into WA from the NSW cruise ships that were let go. which has pissed numerous people rightfully off.

there's also the issue with all of the thousands of australians coming in from 3 different cruise ships here. which we don't have capacity for. the talk is WA people will be quarantined and the rest need to go to their place of residence. international visitors remain on the boat unless in need of immediate medical attention.

i'll have to listen to his interview.

but the us vs them thing isn't going to help thats for sure, which i hope he didnt do.
 
Gosaints12 said:
Potentially, it effected the Waverley build.
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Do you mean dingley? It has been postponed but still needed quite a bit of fundraising/government assistance before it was going to be anywhere near complete. From what I understand Moorabbin was set to go for the final stage. I went and watched the saints first AFLW game and the pre season match against hawthorn there, it’s a great venue but thought the only thing missing was a small grand stand. It would be a shame if it doesn’t get complete because of this virus
 
I feel sorry for the players one minute you’re looking forward to the season and the money being an AFL player brings next minute this happens.

However so many people are staring at being unemployed out of a job and not knowing what’s to follow all while being worried stiff by a global epidemic. How the hell you can watch the news and think you’re stiff to be getting paid to stay fit just baffles me.

I love the afl and the saints but I’d happily watch local football and often do, I watch the A league and that’s park football by world standards. Be careful how hard you push would be my advice, loose the public and they might end up with a permanent pay cut.
 
Moral Decay said:
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In terms of Scomo's actions over Covid19, lets just wait until it's all over befor we make judgement on his actions.

I remember though that Conservative governments of all my adult life have presented their terms of election through the veil of fear and they will save us from.

These things we need to be afraid of
Asylum seekers
Terrorists
Taxes
Red tape
Unions
Drugs
Immigrants
Moslems
Asians
Chinese
Aborigines
Mabo
Intellectual elites
The unemployed
African youth
Any response to climate change
Public servants
The Labor Party
Large goverment
etc

All the while selling themselves as a sure hand the safe option, when in power they've slashed the public service in terms of numbers, crushed it's function from being advisors to Government to being yes men and cronies, and God help anyone that has the courage to tell truth to power.

So any failures during this time can be traced right back to the ideologues of the right and they should be held responsible for them.

Conservatives have sold themselves on leadership and a safe hand, Scomo has had 2 genuine crises to deal with, his response to the first was pathetic, I'll need time to judge his second effort, but I won't be cutting him any slack, if nothing else because a leaders judgement and decision making in times of crises is what defines them
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Before that Communism will get you in the Menzies era .

Interesting thing is if only people read guys like Noam Chomsky they would understand the world better.

Example ..He uses it often when the democratic system was devised it had 2 houses as we know it
House of Representatives & Senate what is not explained publicly the Senate originally was the Wealthy
and was not elected and controlled by self interest......nothing has changed.
 
StCicatriz said:
i imagine there's back ground behind that

the talk over here is we haven't played to our strengths from our unique circumstance of being the most isolated city in the world. in theory we could isolate our borders pretty well. our infected numbers are much lower which would give us a pretty good hand to get to 0 or a more manageable number.

the other issue that came up was covid infected coming into WA from the NSW cruise ships that were let go. which has pissed numerous people rightfully off.

there's also the issue with all of the thousands of australians coming in from 3 different cruise ships here. which we don't have capacity for. the talk is WA people will be quarantined and the rest need to go to their place of residence. international visitors remain on the boat unless in need of immediate medical attention.

i'll have to listen to his interview.

but the us vs them thing isn't going to help thats for sure, which i hope he didnt do.
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I’m sure if you think about it you’ll see that being geographically isolated means nothing in today’s world.

Isn’t Bali the favourite holiday destination over there, ffo workers etc. fair enough to be dirty on the cruise ship fiasco and closing the border will help WA and us if things work out. If your not draining off resources they can go where there needed but I’d stay well away from the us and them if I was your premier.
 
Yawkey way said:
I feel sorry for the players one minute you’re looking forward to the season and the money being an AFL player brings next minute this happens.

However so many people are staring at being unemployed out of a job and not knowing what’s to follow all while being worried stiff by a global epidemic. How the hell you can watch the news and think you’re stiff to be getting paid to stay fit just baffles me.

I love the afl and the saints but I’d happily watch local football and often do, I watch the A league and that’s park football by world standards. Be careful how hard you push would be my advice, loose the public and they might end up with a permanent pay cut.
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Imagine Ben King, one minute he's rich, next he's stuck at the GC with no money and can't even get on the piss. Or Jack Seven who's stuck down the beach getting paid by his ex employer to go surfing....I want his life.
 
My son just called, he’s FIFO out of Headland. They have had two workers sent home for showing symptoms but no confirmation of Covid19 yet.

Reckons the mess up there is packed with back slapping miners on the turps. The in-house gym is still open to everyone and getting quite a bit of traffic. Nobody is taking the pandemic seriously in his view, management is starting to distance themselves from the camp. They have been told the work force will be halved by the end of this week and those who are kept on will be asked to commit to working longer swings.

He has two kids under 13 years one who is very asthmatic and has been hospitalised and on the ventilator twice in the last three years.

He is very nervous about what the consequences of staying on means for his family. He is very nervous about what the consequences of pulling the pin mean for his family.

Challenging times.
 
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