Mega Thread Cost of Living Allowance (COLA) discussion

[Tedeski]

Hang on a minute??
Melbourne costs more to live in than Adelaide, so why don't Melbourne clubs receive a "Cost of living" allowance in their salary cap??

Obviously its because the "Cost of living" allowance has nothing to do with the cost of rent in Sydney. The cost of living is utterly irrelevant. The reason they get the extra million bucks is to ensure their success.
Thats why the Lions lost their "Cost of living" allowance after three flags.

The truth is the swans just cant make a go of it on a level playing field and so they need charity in the form of the rules being bent.

The swans are nothing more than AFL endorsed cheats.

Now I have been saying this for many years so its nothing to do with the Grand final loss.

I was quite happy for my Dads team to win one. RIP Dad.

However the Swans have been guilty of sheer, unadulterated arrogance in the pursuit of Tippet. Rubbing other clubs noses in it.

The cost of living undermines the integrity of the salary cap and therefore the competition.
Does the AFL leadership lack the courage to "Level the playing field" as its fears the Swans bottoming out?

How long will the AFL endorse this inequity between the clubs?

I'll explain to you what the problem is here.
You should have won the premiership & you & every Hawthorn supporter on here knows it.
You just had to win it this year because there is no guarantees that you will even play off again whilst Buddy & Rioli are still Hawks. History backs me up.

You wasted your best opportunity to beat an interstate team that had no right to win on a ground where they struggle to win.


This thread has nothing to do with the CoL allowance.

It's to with GREAT HAWTHORN CHOKE!

The desperation has set in with the recruitment of Lake........one year left in him with his best well behind him.

But we'll try & take the GF CHOKE out of our heads by talking about the CoL.

Hey guess what.........................we STOLE the p'ship from the Hawks.................now that's just bloody unfair.

 

[final fight]

The fact of the matter is some cities are more expensive to live than others. Wish i got recruited by an adelaide team.

I haven't been to South Australia in years but I was in Melbourne as recently as August and it's a hell of a lot cheaper than Perth.

Given we've lost Judd to Carlton, McKinley to North, Ebert to Port and now Stevens to Footscray it seems a formality that we will be given a 'cost of living allowance'.

While I haven't been to WA in a few years I find it hard to believe that Perth is more expensive than Melbourne. Property and transport prices here are incredible. If I was an AFL player I'd love to be recruited by an adelaide side.

 

[Gongswan]

The fact of the matter is some cities are more expensive to live than others. Wish i got recruited by an adelaide team.
While I haven't been to WA in a few years I find it hard to believe that Perth is more expensive than Melbourne. Property and transport prices here are incredible. If I was an AFL player I'd love to be recruited by an adelaide side.

Except for teh price of bottled water maybe

 

[final fight]

Except for teh price of bottled water maybe

Ok, I'll give you that one.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Is the COL allowance why Hawthorn lost the grand final?

Did the COL allowance make Buddy and Gunston miss crucial set shots in the last, Young fall over in the goal square or Hawthorn's defenders fail to man up on Goodes when he kicked them 7 points clear?

The answer to all questions is no. If Hawthorn had won the GF or Sydney hadn't even made it, nobody on BF would care about the COL allowance. Sydney beat my team by a goal during the season - if we'd won that game we'd have finished top 4, FWIW - but I have a sneaking suspicion the COL wasn't the reason we lost.

Nah, you're missing the point completely. And perhaps just a little blinded by your hatred of Hawthorn to even see that the very idea of a "level playing field" that the AFL so love to uphold, is throw out the window in order to keep Sydney competitive.

This thread, undoubtedly, would've been a lot better coming from a fan of someone other than Hawthorn. Granted.

Regardless of the outcome of the GF, Sydney would've finished Top 2, and yet have the ability to roll into trade week with an extra $1million dollars more than any other club in the land.

Don't you find that just a little odd?

 

[Black Diamond]

Selective quoting is fun. Thta's the point, how does the AFL index other than in a very broad generalisation?

They're already making a broad generalisation for the Swans. They should just make the same generalisation for every other club.

 

[Gongswan]

Nah, you're missing the point completely. And perhaps just a little blinded by your hatred of Hawthorn to even see that the very idea of a "level playing field" that the AFL so love to uphold, is throw out the window in order to keep Sydney competitive.

This thread, undoubtedly, would've been a lot better coming from a fan of someone other than Hawthorn. Granted.

Regardless of the outcome of the GF, Sydney would've finished Top 2, and yet have the ability to roll into trade week with an extra $1million dollars more than any other club in the land.

Don't you find that just a little odd?

Not if you understand contract backloading and the fact we have a lot of players about to retire in the next few years, who might have been on frontloaded contracts to start with given the retirements on 09 and 10. Tunnel vision is awful, you should get checked out

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Not if you understand contract backloading and the fact we have a lot of players about to retire in the next few years, who might have been on frontloaded contracts to start with given the retirements on 09 and 10. Tunnel vision is awful, you should get checked out

Oh my.

 

[Tragic sainter]

If they're valid then why does everyone deflect from them. The COL didn't start as that, it's just the accepted name for it now, like a lot of things, and barely raised an eyebrow until we actually had some success. The system is bever fair, if you want fair, have a look at my butt, it doesn't get much sun, nothing is fair, is it fair that Melbourne, Adelaide and WA players ge t3rd party deals for advertising etc when Sydney players get nil. Seriously, one eyed tunnel vision view from anyone not Sydney

Everyone isn't because I'm not. No need to have a go at me I wasn't being one eyed I was just stating the fact that this is a thread on the col and how it isn't distributed evenly.

It is called the cost of living allowance, not the Sydney doesn't have as many advantages as the traditional states allowance, hence why the majority of the footballing public think it is wrong. Either they need to change the name of it and disclose exactly why the swans get extra money or they need to tie it to the col index.

 

[Gongswan]

They're already making a broad generalisation for the Swans. They should just make the same generalisation for every other club.

I think if you ask the AFL, they already have, although I think it would be fair enough if Adelaide got less than everyone else, apparently it's very cheap to live there, but imagine the outcry, and the bickering with club presidents and what not. It would never work and the varoius clubs being given handouts by the AFL now might get cut off, it's just too big a shit fight. Look at what has happened to Brisbane since their concessions were stripped, they just can't compete because they have no junior development etc, really, they should be compensated the same way we are

 

[Tedeski]

Post about other cities in a Sydney CoL thread, Sydney fans get upset.

Post about CoL in a Tippett thread, Sydney fans get upset.

Etc.

Wow Scotland. Why the hate for anything Sydney Swans?

You pop up regularly on anything Swans.

 

[Black Diamond]

So basically, the Swans should keep their concessions but it's just too difficult (imagine the outcry ) to do it for any other club?

 

[Scotland]

Finally you are in the right thread to talk about the COL The above is simply not true and shows yet again that you have not read the other threads. Almost all Swans fans agree that Perth clubs should get it to. The thing that you don't understand is that we have nothing to do with you not having it so stop being bitter towards us.

Right...

You seem not to be able to tell the difference between someone telling you to post in a relevant thread and being upset. Fair enough but why do you have such a big chip on your shoulder about this? West Coast supporters are usually more confident.

You're a bunch of serial deflectors. Raise the CoLA in a Tippett thread or talk about the CoL in other cities in a Sydney CoL thread and you lot get sand in your vaginas and scream 'not relevant'. Sorry, but both are entirely relevant. You just need to suck it up and debate points on their merits. The CoLA absolutely influences your ability to sign Tippett, and the CoL in other cities that have AFL teams is absolutely relevant to any CoLA provided to the Swans.

 

[Tedeski]

For what it's worth, I agree with you.

I think it is the manner in which the OP is effectively saying "no COL, no flag" which is grating. As others have said, if you are picky enough, or bitter enough, you could find mitigating circumstances behind everyone's flags. It is grasping at straws, and incredibly poor sportsmanship, to 'blame' this for Sydney's success.

Hodge and Clarkson were all class in defeat- perhaps the OP could take a leaf from their books and learn.

This is a fair post!

 

[Gongswan]

Everyone isn't because I'm not. No need to have a go at me I wasn't being one eyed I was just stating the fact that this is a thread on the col and how it isn't distributed evenly.

It is called the cost of living allowance, not the Sydney doesn't have as many advantages as the traditional states allowance, hence why the majority of the footballing public think it is wrong. Either they need to change the name of it and disclose exactly why the swans get extra money or they need to tie it to the col index.

I'm not having a go at you, just pointing out a few things like this wasn't the original intention of teh allowance, nor the original name, it's been shortened for what purpose and by whom I don't know, but I'm pretty sick of hearing about it now, especially from a Hawks whiner seriously hurt because we knocked off their team of superstars, with a bunch of nobodies and a Canadian rugby player, I bet he's on squillions right?

 

[Tragic sainter]

I'm not having a go at you, just pointing out a few things like this wasn't the original intention of teh allowance, nor the original name, it's been shortened for what purpose and by whom I don't know, but I'm pretty sick of hearing about it now, especially from a Hawks whiner seriously hurt because we knocked off their team of superstars, with a bunch of nobodies and a Canadian rugby player, I bet he's on squillions right?

Just ignore the thread then bro and enjoy your flag. You'll be much happier

 

[Scotland]

Wow Scotland. Why the hate for anything Sydney Swans?

You pop up regularly on anything Swans.

Yep, it's just one big agenda. I like the way the Swans go about it and went for them in all 3 of their finals, but that doesn't mean I will blindly go along with giving them a bigger salary cap than the other clubs...

The CoLA is a farce. As has been (unneccessarily) pointed out to me you are not actually responsible for it being in place, the AFL is. I just want the AFL to make the process/justification transparent or call it what it really is.

 

[Gongswan]

So basically, the Swans should keep their concessions but it's just too difficult (imagine the outcry ) to do it for any other club?

Nope, just won't happen for those reasons, look at the shitfight because we won a flag, what will happen when Adelaide sits on the bottom of the ladder for 10 years? If the TV audience is lost in any state, the money dries up and the Vic clubs being propped up and bottle fed by the AFL will fold. Remeber the AFL does not give us this money, and there is omly speculation that we are actually using the whole thing. We really aren't that financial

 

[Gongswan]

Just ignore the thread then bro and enjoy your flag. You'll be much happier

Strangely, I feel the need to defend the club, plus I'm old and grumpy, I miss the back and forth with the dope fiends I used to work with, about the same mentality here, so I roll with what I got

 

[Numbered Days]

Nah, you're missing the point completely. And perhaps just a little blinded by your hatred of Hawthorn to even see that the very idea of a "level playing field" that the AFL so love to uphold, is throw out the window in order to keep Sydney competitive.

This thread, undoubtedly, would've been a lot better coming from a fan of someone other than Hawthorn. Granted.

Regardless of the outcome of the GF, Sydney would've finished Top 2, and yet have the ability to roll into trade week with an extra $1million dollars more than any other club in the land.

Don't you find that just a little odd?

Unfortunately you have completely misrepresented the situation and this is why Swans fans tend to think Hawthorn are in these threads for only one reason.

We didn't roll into trade week with $1m more than any other club. It's a bit nuts that you would say that. Brisbane, Gold Coast & GWS were also after Tippett (and the Crows now have his wage as spare space I guess). Didn't Freo and GWS make offers for Cloke - probably around a million?

So, in fact, we rolled into trade week with about the same number of dollars as a bunch of other teams.

We are happy to discuss this stuff sensibly but when fans from one particular club are constantly making outlandish claims then we start to think they aren't being rational.

 

[Gongswan]

Yep, it's just one big agenda. I like the way the Swans go about it and went for them in all 3 of their finals, but that doesn't mean I will blindly go along with giving them a bigger salary cap than the other clubs...

The CoLA is a farce. As has been (unneccessarily) pointed out to me you are not actually responsible for it being in place, the AFL is. I just want the AFL to make the process/justification transparent or call it what it really is.

They did, COL/ Player retention allowance. where it got shortened, who knows

 

[Scotland]

While I haven't been to WA in a few years I find it hard to believe that Perth is more expensive than Melbourne. Property and transport prices here are incredible. If I was an AFL player I'd love to be recruited by an adelaide side.

Time for a trip to Perth I reckon.

There is no discernable difference between the cost of PT or petrol. Property, well that's a can of worms.

You really notice the difference if you go to the shops or to a pub/restaurant for a meal.

 

[sherb]

Hang on a minute??
Melbourne costs more to live in than Adelaide, so why don't Melbourne clubs receive a "Cost of living" allowance in their salary cap??

Obviously its because the "Cost of living" allowance has nothing to do with the cost of rent in Sydney. The cost of living is utterly irrelevant. The reason they get the extra million bucks is to ensure their success.
Thats why the Lions lost their "Cost of living" allowance after three flags.

The truth is the swans just cant make a go of it on a level playing field and so they need charity in the form of the rules being bent.

The swans are nothing more than AFL endorsed cheats.

Now I have been saying this for many years so its nothing to do with the Grand final loss.

I was quite happy for my Dads team to win one. RIP Dad.

However the Swans have been guilty of sheer, unadulterated arrogance in the pursuit of Tippet. Rubbing other clubs noses in it.

The cost of living undermines the integrity of the salary cap and therefore the competition.
Does the AFL leadership lack the courage to "Level the playing field" as its fears the Swans bottoming out?

How long will the AFL endorse this inequity between the clubs?

Interesting discussion point, I'm surprised it has taken someone so long to raise it.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Unfortunately you have completely misrepresented the situation and this is why Swans fans tend to think Hawthorn are in these threads for only one reason.

We didn't roll into trade week with $1m more than any other club. It's a bit nuts that you would say that. Brisbane, Gold Coast & GWS were also after Tippett (and the Crows now have his wage as spare space I guess). Didn't Freo and GWS make offers for Cloke - probably around a million?

So, in fact, we rolled into trade week with about the same number of dollars as a bunch of other teams.

We are happy to discuss this stuff sensibly but when fans from one particular club are constantly making outlandish claims then we start to think they aren't being rational.

You have extra monies afforded to you. It's that simple.

 

[Scotland]

So, in fact, we rolled into trade week with about the same number of dollars as a bunch of other teams.

If you roll into to trade week with the same number of dollars as a bunch of other teams then you are potentially already paying their entire salary cap(s) already.

Fremantle might well have $1m free to offer to Cloke, but that means $7.78m is tied up with the rest of the list. If the Swans have $1m free to offer Tippett then they've tied up $8.64m. $860k will pay the salary of 98% of the players in the AFL - hence people question the additional cap space.