Covid 19 (OPEN DISCUSSION)

[JEagle]

Do you think 40,000 COVID deaths would have been acceptable in Australia? That's what would have happened if we'd followed Sweden's approach.

Florida has had 65,000 deaths, with a smaller population that Australia. Should we have followed their approach?

California has had 80,000 deaths, more than Florida, but they have twice the population, and as you said have had further restrictions than Florida. Even though you tried to say they had similar deaths, it's a bit misleading given the population size.

As to Africa, it's not a secret.

A Continent Where the Dead Are Not Counted (Published 2021)

All 54 African countries put together have registered fewer Covid deaths than France. That doesn’t mean people aren’t dying from the virus.

www.nytimes.com

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Explore the latest published research, corporate updates, and insights from BMJ Group. Stay informed about cutting-edge scientific studies, medical innovations, and our impact on global healthcare.

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I wonder if anyone on here is old enough to remember the Hong Kong flu pandemic in 1968. Well before my time, but it caused between 1 million and four million global deaths. No lockdowns, no restrictions and no hysteria. I doubt many have even heard of it. Contrast that to the mass hysteria and fear of Covid which will never be forgotten.

 

[Chris_6678]

I wonder if anyone on here is old enough to remember the Hong Kong flu pandemic in 1968. Well before my time, but it caused between 1 million and four million global deaths. No lockdowns, no restrictions and no hysteria. I doubt many have even heard of it. Contrast that to the mass hysteria and fear of Covid which will never be forgotten.

What's interesting is the Vaccine for that was created 4 months into the outbreak.

Wonder how many ppl protested about taking that?

Id bet 0

 

[MrKK]

Because that's the way these sorts of threads always go until they're locked?

Dude, just unwatch the thread since it gives you no joy and your overt or passive aggressive calls to have it locked add no value.

 

[bh90210fan]

I wonder if anyone on here is old enough to remember the Hong Kong flu pandemic in 1968. Well before my time, but it caused between 1 million and four million global deaths. No lockdowns, no restrictions and no hysteria. I doubt many have even heard of it. Contrast that to the mass hysteria and fear of Covid which will never be forgotten.

When I look at a country which adopted a cavalier approach to the dangers of Covid and are reporting 1 million excess deaths during the pandemic, I can’t help but think the ‘better to be safe than sorry’ way about going about it is likely for the best.

Russia Sees Record Population Decline As Excess Deaths Hit 1M - The Moscow Times

Russia recorded almost one million excess deaths between the start of the pandemic and the end of 2021, as the country also reported its sharpest annual fall in population since the end of the Soviet Union.

www.themoscowtimes.com

 

[Happy Mastenator]

That's cause he made them up on the spot or nore likely had faulty info heading in. Vaccines working


It still might happen. In our case it is still too early to know. In 12 months time we could be at or close to that 40k number.

There is a new international report right now that shows.lockdowns have "little to NO effect on reducing deaths from Covid-19"

The only place they have arguably worked is the most isolated capital in the world, and that time has now passed.

The miners are already calling for a change to Covid rules here because of Omicron. They want no quarantine for casual contacts w no symptoms and seven days for close contacts. When it's rife, all they will want is a negative PCR test.

This thing will be over in 12 months. The UK has wisely already thrown in the towel on the show me your papers and lockdown rules.

Try telling that to New Zealand and Australia.

I'm not opposed to relaxing restrictions (as has been done here) with high % of population vaccinated, but if we hadn't hit 90%+ vaxxed we'd be ****ed.

 

[DanWCE]

Dude, just unwatch the thread since it gives you no joy and your overt or passive aggressive calls to have it locked add no value.

Do you get joy from this thread?

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

Do you get joy from this thread?

I've Marie Kondo'd the whole forum so I only see a few threads. 4% of them to be precise.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

I've Marie Kondo'd the whole forum so I only see a few threads. 4% of them to be precise.

May as well be none of them, am I right?

 

[Forward Press]

May as well be none of them, am I right?

99.86% of threads are filled with memes and sh*tposts, and those that don't had pre-existing crap opening posts anyway.

 

[Biggie]

How is the divide actually getting bigger in this thread?

This thread actually represents Australia atm.

Never seen so much hatred and division IRL - not even in sport.

 

[WCE_phil]

It can cause seizures and exacerbate pre existing health conditions leading to death is a few different ways

You would have to be a long term alcoholic though

I have injury induced epilepsy and am on medication for life. I can have a few drinks but if even after a 2-3 I have to follow a strict routine to make sure i'm no chance of a seizure the next day.

If i have 7-8 or more then no matter what I do and the amount of medication the best case scenario is bed for a couple of days with almost no visual or audio stimuli and then it's a 50/50 chance. That's whilst maintaining hydration, electrolytes, medication as well.

Alcohol actually lowers your chance of having a seizure but as you come off of it, it hugely increases your chances of having a major seizure episode.

 

[WCE_phil]

Can someone pls confirm that the situation across Africa is lacking transparency and consistency? I can't find anything.

Go to Zimbabwe and say you're a white farmer. It'll answer all the questions you need to know about Africa.

(seriously i'm only joking, do that and you'll be murdered in the street)

 

[MrKK]

Do you get joy from this thread?

Joy may not be the right word. I find it interesting enough to follow and occasionally contribute. And if I didn't, I would ignore it rather than selfishly ask for it to be locked at the expense of those who are contributing.

 

[bzparkes]

New large scale study out today. Lockdowns prevented excess Covid deaths by only 0.20%. Nowhere near enough to justify the other detrimental downstream effects as you put it.

The effect of lockdowns is broad and insidious. Just some:

• Mental health deterioration. Look at increased suicide numbers in young cohort in the USA for example.
• Devastating economic consequences to small business. That's always good for mental health
• Missed early diagnosis of cancers due to inability to see your doctor.
• People not being able to attend funerals or see dying loved ones.
• Creeping authoritarianism
• Division in our society
• Stunting of early childhood development. Here is an interesting example. In the USA there has been an over 300% increase in demand for speech therapy for young children. Why? They can't see peoples mouths moving when they speak. Seems it is critical for language learning.

The list is endless.

Link to said study?

 

[DanWCE]

Joy may not be the right word. I find it interesting enough to follow and occasionally contribute. And if I didn't, I would ignore it rather than selfishly ask for it to be locked at the expense of those who are contributing.

I would agree joy isn't the right word, and argue not all those posting are contributing.

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

Joy may not be the right word. I find it interesting enough to follow and occasionally contribute. And if I didn't, I would ignore it rather than selfishly ask for it to be locked at the expense of those who are contributing.

I didn't ask for it to be locked, I said the divide getting wider is what always happens with these sorts of threads, until shit gets so bad it ends up locked.

I do believe it's inevitable though, it just depends on how much the moderators and the big boss man are willing to tolerate before it happens.

 

[boondy]

That petition is up to 19,000 sigs now. Its a shame it was deliberately undermined by a handful of dickheads and used by others to dismiss all of the legit people and the valid points underlying it.

 

[boondy]

Doctor in USA

"The one I keep on seeing over and over again is pregnant women who are not vaccinated because they were afraid that the vaccine would harm them or their future babies," he said

"It's a real problem because pregnant women have had terrible outcomes from coronavirus.

"There's something about that combination, which apparently really increases the risk of maternal disease, morbidity, mortality and now we know, stillbirths as well."

ABC Australia news App .

It also talks about Dr's sending people home when they are still sick.
I hope the unvaccinated read these articles too and see how dangerous this disease is to them personally and the unnecessary extra burden when they present at hospitals .

Also I don't care about the insults about whether I have wit to argue . I feel terrible if I engage in that rubbish . I genuinely hope the real information does make it through to all of us so we can make the wisest decisions

 

[DanWCE]

Doctor in USA

"The one I keep on seeing over and over again is pregnant women who are not vaccinated because they were afraid that the vaccine would harm them or their future babies," he said

"It's a real problem because pregnant women have had terrible outcomes from coronavirus.

"There's something about that combination, which apparently really increases the risk of maternal disease, morbidity, mortality and now we know, stillbirths as well."

ABC Australia news App .

It also talks about Dr's sending people home when they are still sick.
I hope the unvaccinated read these articles too and see how dangerous this disease is to them personally and the unnecessary extra burden when they present at hospitals .

Also I don't care about the insults about whether I have wit to argue . I feel terrible if I engage in that rubbish . I genuinely hope the real information does make it through to all of us so we can make the wisest decisions

My wife was anxious about getting her first jab while pregnant, but she followed the advice of the professionals and our little girl turned out perfect

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

My wife is pregnant with our second child (20 week scan tomorrow yay) and we both got our boosters within the last couple of weeks.

I asked about the whooping cough shot too but apparently I'm still covered by the shot I got the last time around. My wife has to get it again though.

 

[ziad]

I wonder if anyone on here is old enough to remember the Hong Kong flu pandemic in 1968. Well before my time, but it caused between 1 million and four million global deaths. No lockdowns, no restrictions and no hysteria. I doubt many have even heard of it. Contrast that to the mass hysteria and fear of Covid which will never be forgotten.

1918 Spanish flu - 60M globally and counting

 

[DanWCE]

My wife is pregnant with our second child (20 week scan tomorrow yay) and we both got our boosters within the last couple of weeks.

I asked about the whooping cough shot too but apparently I'm still covered by the shot I got the last time around. My wife has to get it again though.

We were the same with whooping cough shots. Enjoy the scan!

 

[darksquare]

Link to said study?

https://sites.krieger.jhu.edu/iae/files/2022/01/A-Literature-Review-and-Meta-Analysis-of-the-Effects-of-Lockdowns-on-COVID-19-Mortality.pdf

 

[FKASC]

https://sites.krieger.jhu.edu/iae/files/2022/01/A-Literature-Review-and-Meta-Analysis-of-the-Effects-of-Lockdowns-on-COVID-19-Mortality.pdf

It’s a meta analysis rather than a study per se. But it’s certainly a damning abstract. I think it would be difficult to determine whether they truly work or not without having control groups and a lockdown groups.

I wonder what other scientific analyses of this article will entail. Being written by applied economics academics would presumably be a different angle to the usual epidemiological perspective.

 

[bzparkes]

https://sites.krieger.jhu.edu/iae/files/2022/01/A-Literature-Review-and-Meta-Analysis-of-the-Effects-of-Lockdowns-on-COVID-19-Mortality.pdf

Interesting but they do omit a lot of studies that don't fit their 'criteria', which is stated in the conclusion. They've clearly drawn up a hypothesis and have selected studies that suit their conclusion, going by the fact that they had such a strict selection criteria for supporting studies, which conveniently suited their position.

I haven't done the research so I'm not actually going to say that they're wrong, however setting strict guidelines for supporting evidence, which just so conveniently suits their narrative, makes it difficult to believe this wasn't written without an underlying bias.