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There is always the possibility that the umpires will call it as "deliberate" and pay the free kick against anyways.

Absolutely no chance that was the case in that specific situation.

Jenny, you do a great job in highlighting some positives (to the exclusion of valid critique most of the time) but this is just going over the top!
 
That's why this is a board of differing opinions: ;)

1. Jacky chosen as an emergency suggests to any reasonable person a degree of confidence by the selectors in the lad

2. Burton will not be dropped ........if he does then I'll concede you were right

3. I know someone posted that the president said it .......but if you don't mind that doesn't quite count as verification ......besides public statements are often so far removed from reality

4. Again any reasonable footy watcher would say that Burtons contribution to the game was better than Davis ......who I have said will be one very very good player in time

I agree this is a board of differing opinions and so it should be, but you try to enforce your opinions and degrade others who dont agree with you

1. Jacky, you have backflipped on this a number of times, the other night you tried to claim he had their confidence because he was offered a 2 year contract. Now you have changed your story again.

2. Whether Burton is dropped is irrelevant if the coach refuses to drop one of his golden boys. Suggest you read the Geoff Roach article today on Burtons game.

3. 5AA quoted it after the luncheon, they do this feedback before every home game, are you suggesting they made it up?

4. Any reasonable football watcher? Again this backs up my point, you are inferring that someone that doesnt share your opinion is not a reasonable football watcher. Davis had 2 more possesions, kept his opponent to 4 touches and 1 goal. Burton did not kick a goal and cost us 2 when the game was there to be won. But according to you he was better.
 

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Enjoyed everything about that interview... except the Walker discussion.

I'm a Craigy fan, but his justification for not playing Walker is getting ridiculous.



That's keeping him out of the side?

You gotta be kidding.
:thumbsu: Fully agree... and his supposed lack of speed and "speed of mind". Craigy, Burton is no faster and I wouldn't say his speed of mind is that flash either. If keeping his opponent boundary side is what is keeping him out then there are serious problems at down at West Lakes. He also mentioned something about our structure not being able to have another tall up there... didn't we have a couple of weeks with playing Tippett, Burton, Hentschel AND Walker up forward?? Surely we can fit three up there? It's not like both Burton and Tippett aren't mobile players so I don't see why we can't fit in a third in there.
 
Absolutely no chance that was the case in that specific situation.

Jenny, you do a great job in highlighting some positives (to the exclusion of valid critique most of the time) but this is just going over the top!

Actually I just wondered if the deliberate rule would run through their heads when they are close to the boundary line? Just a thought.
 
1. Jacky, you have backflipped on this a number of times, the other night you tried to claim he had their confidence because he was offered a 2 year contract. Now you have changed your story again.

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I haven't back flipped at all ....in fact some might suggest I am stubborn

But your failure to understand my position is tiring ......and I am tired of continuously trying re-state the position

So you believe what you want to believe and lets leave it at that ;)
 
I agree this is a board of differing opinions and so it should be, but you try to enforce your opinions and degrade others who dont agree with you

1. Jacky, you have backflipped on this a number of times, the other night you tried to claim he had their confidence because he was offered a 2 year contract. Now you have changed your story again.

2. Whether Burton is dropped is irrelevant if the coach refuses to drop one of his golden boys. Suggest you read the Geoff Roach article today on Burtons game.

3. 5AA quoted it after the luncheon, they do this feedback before every home game, are you suggesting they made it up?

4. Any reasonable football watcher? Again this backs up my point, you are inferring that someone that doesnt share your opinion is not a reasonable football watcher. Davis had 2 more possesions, kept his opponent to 4 touches and 1 goal. Burton did not kick a goal and cost us 2 when the game was there to be won. But according to you he was better.

Great correction post to Waynes World post on Carls original points of how Craigy and heirachy are falling over each over with spin.
Most supporters and posters are not yelling sack Craigy ,sack him or looking for mass dumpings of veteran players etc but just looking to make a clear statement to those worst under peforming players and even if a young player is not a lot better at least going forward .
What is going to be achieved by playing Doughty and Burton especially when we need to see how well our Fwd line will look with Walker as leading from goal area and with so many players out isnt this the time to see if Young has the goods as need to know if want to keep him into 3rd season along with Armstrong as no point making another Jacky blunder.
Same as Mckernan I think he has something but lets find out as if dont want I am sure get reasonable trade for him.
 
If there is a threat of a turnover and a resultant goal as happened Saturday then the timing of when it's right or wrong is incorrect because the risk remains the same.

I thought there should have been a crows player in support of Burton

I have heard many coaches talk about keeping the ball alive in the forwrd line ...so it;s not just a Craig directive

Frankly I didn't see anything wrong with what Burton did other than his opponent recovered quicker than Burton and Burton had no support

Of course the timing matters - if there's only a minute to go, and you're a goal down, you need to roll the dice. It may not come off, but every second you lose is crucial at that stage. This is not the case midway through the game.


The thing is, even if a player had been there in support of Burton, it still would have been the wrong move to keep the ball in play. If another Crows player was there, his defender would have been there too, and Burton still would have been out of position courtesy of his desperate stretch to knock the ball back in.

If you're going to keep the ball in play, in needs to be done so to the advantage of your team. Running at full stretch and tapping it back behind you is not to your advantage, and the second or two it will take you to recover, get back inside the white line and compete for the ball is all it takes for the opposition to take the ball away from you.
 
Actually I just wondered if the deliberate rule would run through their heads when they are close to the boundary line? Just a thought.

Had Burton been in possession and chosen to disposes of the ball over the line rather than take on the tackler, perhaps. But both players were running at the ball, and neither were in possession. It couldn't possibly have been judged deliberate.
 
Of course the timing matters - if there's only a minute to go, and you're a goal down, you need to roll the dice. It may not come off, but every second you lose is crucial at that stage. This is not the case midway through the game.


The thing is, even if a player had been there in support of Burton, it still would have been the wrong move to keep the ball in play. If another Crows player was there, his defender would have been there too, and Burton still would have been out of position courtesy of his desperate stretch to knock the ball back in.

If you're going to keep the ball in play, in needs to be done so to the advantage of your team. Running at full stretch and tapping it back behind you is not to your advantage, and the second or two it will take you to recover, get back inside the white line and compete for the ball is all it takes for the opposition to take the ball away from you.
Burton just didn't recover as quickly as his opponent ......from how he's been coached I'd suggest it was instinctive to do what he did

Your points are well made though
 
Enjoyed everything about that interview... except the Walker discussion.

I'm a Craigy fan, but his justification for not playing Walker is getting ridiculous.



That's keeping him out of the side?

You gotta be kidding.

The thing I noticed too was that he never actually said why walker wasnt playing currently he went in circles and said that he has improved on the aspects of his game that were identified last year and then identified a couple of things and then concluded with Walker isnt in the squad for a number of reasons, but those reasons can change very quickly.
 
Burton just didn't recover as quickly as his opponent ......from how he's been coached I'd suggest it was instinctive to do what he did

Your points are well made though

Thanks... but I don't think Burton was ever going to recover as quickly as his opponent. He was in front of his opponent, and had to carry his own body over the line to push the ball back into play. His opponent is obviously going to be watching the ball, and the second he sees Burton stretching to knock it into play, he's going to be setting his feet to crouch down and pick it up. Burton, on the other hand, is going to have all his momentum heading towards the fence, while his crouched body will be at full stretch.

It would take a pretty agile player to recover more quickly than his opponent in this case.

I agree it's instinctive - it seems to be instinctive for most forwards in the comp. I can only assume it's been drilled into them from a young age. What I'm wondering is, why? Surely you teach kids that it's good to keep the ball alive, but only in a situation where it benefits you to do so. There are clearly defined situations where it is usually not in your interests to keep it alive, such as when you and one other defender are chasing the ball out of bounds.


Perhaps it's simply that you didn't get punished quite as severly when Burton was in his formative years as you do nowadays. Turnovers in your forward line are every bit damaging as turnovers in defence at the moment, which never used to be the case I guess.
 

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I haven't back flipped at all ....in fact some might suggest I am stubborn

But your failure to understand my position is tiring ......and I am tired of continuously trying re-state the position

So you believe what you want to believe and lets leave it at that ;)

There you go again, you incorrectly assume I cant understand your position. I understand both your positions, but you deny you have the two, if you have doubts then should I bring up your old posts again?

So no need to restate your position, just stick with one and then you wont tire yourself out;);)
 
Burton just didn't recover as quickly as his opponent ......from how he's been coached I'd suggest it was instinctive to do what he did

Your points are well made though

The standard teams rules in that situation are to take the ball over the line to create a stoppage, what Burton attempted to do was pure liarising. You dont try and keep the ball in play unless you are 100 percent sure you can win the contest and take possession of the ball.
 
its also overstated by desperate people.

if it were truly an open door policy, then it wouldn't be news.

what was news is that the Players stuck their foot in the door and forced it open.

I changed from 'can be fantastic' to 'has merits' for a reason ;)

Don't necessairly agree with the fact it 'wouldn't be news'.

But - what is interesting is the players initiated it. Could mean a number of different things.

To me the most 'friendly' but 'damning' outcome is that things are possibly fine between the players and coaching staff but that the fitnress/coaching staff haven't been looking into ALL aspects of training enough to try and freshen the guys up or just changes things up.
 
We? You have your team listed as Sydney.

I love your optimism though. I don't think we'll even get close to making the 8.

Yeah stuffed that up

Crows supporter in Sydney... although Sydney are my second team and the way the Crows are looking ... maybe I should jump on the Swan Train!
 
I've only seen it once but I thought Burton was trying to tap the ball back into Chaplain's foot to gain an unlikely out on the full free kick. A one in a million play, the type he has built a career on.

You could be right, I havent seen the replay I only saw it live at the game and I thought he was trying to hold the ball in so he could run back onto it and kick a goal, but you might be right about trying to tap it onto Chaplin's foot. I agree with you that he has tried to do that rubbish all of his career, he's definitely the most selfish player to ever don an AFC jumper.
 
You could be right, I havent seen the replay I only saw it live at the game and I thought he was trying to hold the ball in so he could run back onto it and kick a goal, but you might be right about trying to tap it onto Chaplin's foot. I agree with you that he has tried to do that rubbish all of his career, he's definitely the most selfish player to ever don an AFC jumper.

:confused: That's interesting .......Adelaide are referred to as crowbots .......posters lament what they think is the natural flair of players being curtailed to Craig's strict structure .......and yet when players do attempt some flair, they are labelled selfish

Oh well lets have a team of clones ........just seems on these type of discussions they're no win arguments

Again if the play succeeds the player was brilliant .....and if it fails then he's dogmeat
 

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