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Creating a national competition
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Hey, it had 12 teams in it to play each other twice exactly. Least it had one component of it that was not totally shit.
Don't totally crush his hope to try to ever think again.
You are mean!!!
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I do like the optimism behind the idea of dropping all Vic teams, having them play each other, without thinking that Vic fans would follow their clubs and ignore the national comp.
His optimism it could work could only be based on 6 to 10 year olds kids at the time it begun adopting it and seeing it on tv, if he could get anyone to cover it. People already following their own club are not going to take any real interest unless this random league had all the best players breakaway.
It would be like myself as a little kid, I followed World Series Cricket and not Test cricket.
Only got into Test cricket after World Series Cricket via Packer accepted the cricket board at the time of getting their best Aussie players back into Test cricket and Packer got his long term rights to cover all the cricket on channel 9.
This kid is not Packer..lol and his league would probably be worse than XFL was for USA market. They would only get de-listed players and have to have completely new rules to have something different to grab any real attention.
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its a stupid idea, but agree with you that if any new league or breakaway happened and it took all the best players that’s where the people will gravitate to. So you would need to be prepared to risk billions to hurt the current AFL set up.
I suspect the OP is just a wide-eyed kid but suggestions like this, when you think about it, re-enforce just how well the competition has expanded - everything considered - over the last 36 years
I'm sure with the benefit of hindsight things could have been done better, but all-in-all it is hard to see how an alternative broadly different model would have achieved a better result than we have.
The AFL :
-is played in world class stadiums across the country
-average crowds of over 35K
-has over a million club members
-has at least two clubs in each of Australia's 5 significant cities
-allowed entry of the only non victorian club with a clear claim of entry
-has by far the two biggest intracity rivalries in Australian sport
Having the grand final locked down at the MCG i'm sure is grating to non-Vic fans but outside of that, it's pretty absurd to suggest that we would be better off without the great hearth fire of Australian football that is the Melbourne football clubs and their massive tribal supporter bases and rivalries
I'm sure with the benefit of hindsight things could have been done better, but all-in-all it is hard to see how an alternative broadly different model would have achieved a better result than we have.
The AFL :
-is played in world class stadiums across the country
-average crowds of over 35K
-has over a million club members
-has at least two clubs in each of Australia's 5 significant cities
-allowed entry of the only non victorian club with a clear claim of entry
-has by far the two biggest intracity rivalries in Australian sport
Having the grand final locked down at the MCG i'm sure is grating to non-Vic fans but outside of that, it's pretty absurd to suggest that we would be better off without the great hearth fire of Australian football that is the Melbourne football clubs and their massive tribal supporter bases and rivalries
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and if it just split between the Vic clubs and all the non-Vic clubs and 2 new Vic franchises (as the OP suggests), without major backing (as you suggest) then the VFL would probably win out in the end (having over 50% of the market, and fewer expenses).
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Mainland pussies and their first world problems. Never grumble about what you get from the AFL when a Tasmanian is in earshot. At which point could WA and SA possibly look at the national league set up and think they aren't being well looked after, via exposure to the national mainstream and autonomy over their footy? Every other alternative leads to possible or probable doom for all of the original SA and WA clubs. You kept everything except a bit of state league status, happily trading that in for the chance at national league glory anyway. You lost nothing. Shut up.
If you are really worried about fairness, you would start the non-Vic teams from scratch as well. Not start up one team with almost a whole state to choose from and then start a second team years later with scraps. West Coast have significantly more supporters and a healthy leg up over their crosstown rivals. Fairness would be starting 2 new teams in Perth and Adelaide whereby each club has equal resources and opportunity.
I’m from Darwin, the notion of the NT having a team is laughable, especially when considering Victoria would only have two.
If your fantasy was realised and supporters bought into this concept, the two Vic teams would be powerhouses (currently a big advantage WC have). The other teams would be minnows in comparison.
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It'd be alright, however, if the Giants won, right?
somehow doubt you feel the need to create this conversation my western australian chum
What you're not hanging to see the North Victorian Wombats vs the Southern Emus?
this is about as intelligent and would go about as well as when the western powers have tried to partition the middle east.
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A better idea would be to increase the league to 20 teams and play 20 games (19 + 1 rivalry double up). Total number of games during the year stays about the same. Allows time for a longer preseason, more byes or even a wildcard weekend before finals. Each year rotate home/away advantage between each team and then across a 2 year period you have a fair draw (ignoring a single double up which isn't a big deal).
Mind you I'm sure the WA/SA whiners would still find something to whinge about.
Mind you I'm sure the WA/SA whiners would still find something to whinge about.
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Death, taxes and WA sooking.
like I said it’s a stupid idea, and new league or breakaway still needs to be a majority of your biggest market which is Victoria.
No sane business or person is going to have an Aussie rules footy comp and not have a minimum of 6 clubs from Victoria. It is way to late now for franchises out of Victoria, the horse has bolted and we have turned all the once suburban clubs into big national clubs.
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You can short cut that by putting AFL teams in Tassie and Canberra and then the AFL will be a national sport, until then no.
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The biggest move to recognise that this is now a national competition and no longer the VFL would be to address the Grand Final location issue, even if nothing else was to change. Give every team a fair shot at winning on the day that counts.
Failing that, what about a rule that all preliminary finals are to be played outside of Victoria. If it’s good enough to for the GF then it’s sure as hell good enough for the week before.
Failing that, what about a rule that all preliminary finals are to be played outside of Victoria. If it’s good enough to for the GF then it’s sure as hell good enough for the week before.
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Can we just rename this "the stupid ideas thread"?
Can you imagine how much some West Coast supporters would be whinging if there were only 2 clubs in Victoria. The go home pull would be enormous. Especially when you consider that the income outside of playing football and post career would be considerably higher for people playing for the 2 Victorian super teams. Players would happily take big pay cuts to play for one of the Victorian super clubs.
At least the Grand final would always be at the G, because it would always be a play off between the Victorian super teams.
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I'm not against the grand final being played in the home state but I think a min 80k stadium is a must.
Thread seems to have rattled a lot of people from the same place...lol
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i hate to break it to the interstaters, but Victoria is kind of a big deal. 7 million AFL people.
Imagine a state 20% the size of yours complaining about not being as important as yours. The only reason these threads dont get laughed out of the room is that they are so obviously ridiculous.
The WAnchises and SAnchises, and their supporters are peripheral as far as the afl landscape is concerned and should be treated as such.
Imagine a state 20% the size of yours complaining about not being as important as yours. The only reason these threads dont get laughed out of the room is that they are so obviously ridiculous.
The WAnchises and SAnchises, and their supporters are peripheral as far as the afl landscape is concerned and should be treated as such.
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