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Yeah, they can do what they want. They swiftly got told that if that's what they choose they'll be cut.
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Of course they aren't because the alcohol company knows the market. In Australia the company knows it's market and is getting 1/11th less than what they should be. It's a belief he has not, he can still stand by his belief. He isn't being forced to drink it. Would it be different if a recovering alcoholic didn't want VB on his ODI uniform? Or someone that just didn't drink at all who had no religious affiliation saying they don't want alcohol sponsorship because it's their belief?
Don't get me wrong I believe that alcohol and betting advertising is way too prominent, particularly betting. I just don't see the difference between someones beliefs and religious beliefs.
I also think that it's garbage it's taken this long to get a game on Good Friday.
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I'm not sure we're really in the right place for this discussion...
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Really? That's insulting to many religious people.
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Sometimes the truth hurts.
If your day job requires you to work Sundays and your religion disallows it, you have the wrong job. This is akin to the Muslim woman who didn't want to serve alcohol whilst working as a flight attendant.
I know a person who was shunned by his family after leaving Islam. The religion states that apostates should be killed (something that still goes on in the Middle East and Indonesia), is this a belief that should be respected?
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I'm a Christian myself, so I have no inside info on that part of things, but surely not every believer of Islam follows that.. You never really hear of stories like that.
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Actually no, there aren't any other ideologies that say you can kill apostates. (Even though not every Islamic person enforces that)
But regardless, I think this thread is getting de-railed.
I'd say the majority of Muslims in the Middle East believe it. Unfortunately the Quran is pretty black and white in the case of apostasy. You can easily find the surah and verse. You'd be surprised how many ex Muslims there are whom fear for their lives on a daily basis. There's been a few docos about it.
My point is though that ideology and religion don't have human rights and thus don't have to be respected. People do. Scrutinise ideas, respect people.
Correct. I'd suspect that there'd be a lot of conservative Muslims out there who don't even think Kawaja is a Muslim. They see anyone without a beard, wearing clothes below the ankle and having non Muslim friends as an apostate. But different strokes for different folks. You can identify as anything you want to. You can even find openly gay Muslims out there if you tried.
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I think you missed what I was saying. It doesn't have to be killing apostates, it could be something else that other religious people don't believe in. Norse / Vikings believed it was okay to "sacrifice" people. I don't think that's okay.
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No mate, I understand that you were implying that all religions have some negative behaviour to those who leave (At least I think that's what you meant, correct me if I'm wrong) but I did have to point out that there is a factual difference in doctrine when it comes to the killing of apostates, as that was what you were replying to in the previous post.
And once again, before any arguments are caused with anyone reading this thread, I understand that killing apostates in Islam is not a universal practice by most of those who follow the faith.
As far as the negative behaviours of other religions are concerned, while there is no killing of apostates in any other religion, there are plenty of other negatives I can mention, harassment and ostracization being the most common, but I think it would be too long-winded a discussion to go into here. (And it's de-railing a thread which is supposed to be about cricket kits.)
And once again, before any arguments are caused with anyone reading this thread, I understand that killing apostates in Islam is not a universal practice by most of those who follow the faith.
As far as the negative behaviours of other religions are concerned, while there is no killing of apostates in any other religion, there are plenty of other negatives I can mention, harassment and ostracization being the most common, but I think it would be too long-winded a discussion to go into here. (And it's de-railing a thread which is supposed to be about cricket kits.)
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That's a naive statement. Here's the relevant Pew research poll. It isn't all rainbows and sunshine. It a belief held by the majority (or large minority depending on the nation polled).
But again, I think that if Kawaja opposed wearing the VB logo, Cricket Australia would be well in their rights to drop him from the side for not abiding by uniform policy. Albeit it'd be a corporate nightmare given the current political mindset of the Australian population. There's a rub where business meets religious freedom. I can't go to my boss after I sign a contract and demand, due to my religion, that I don't work on Mondays and I must wear a colander on my head during work hours. I'd find a job that conforms to my beliefs, not the other way around.
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Bear in mind, I mean practice, not belief. I was trying to choose my words carefully with regards to those who defend the ideology. I was not unintentionally making a naive statement, I was making a very deliberate diplomatic one. I think you can read between the lines there.
Believe me, I'm trying to stay out of the discussion here.
As a matter of point, from now on I will.
Believe me, I'm trying to stay out of the discussion here.
As a matter of point, from now on I will.
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Deluded?
I never said anything about Sundays. He said religious reasons are stupid. You have to face the facts that religion exists no matter what race.
On a different note, I think uzzie got pressured into not wearing the vb logo. Pretty sure he used to wear it and suddenly stopped wearing. In fact I used to think that he wasn't even Muslim as openly didn't express it as much bit in recent times things have changed. Yet I don't believe he has gone to the extreme end.
I've left the discussion about this. Feel free to PM me if you want to chat.
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If he got pressured into it, thats an absolute disgrace.
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He said he initially felt that as the "new guy" he needed to just go with the flow, but as he became more comfortable in the international set-up he decided it was time to make the request.
Coincidentally it also timed with him playing Pakistan, meaning many family and friends over there would be seeing this - I don't know if he said that bit or not but the two things put together probably gave him reason to get around to asking.
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Saw on Facebook quickly last night that xxxx is the new sposor, can anyone confirm?
If this is true then they really have gone full circle. Wasn't XXXX one of the first sponsors ever to appear on the Australian test shirt. An early 90's Ashes tour I believe.
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This article is from two days ago:
http://www.thedrum.com/news/2017/03...and-xxxx-gold-sign-four-year-sponsorship-deal
http://www.thedrum.com/news/2017/03...and-xxxx-gold-sign-four-year-sponsorship-deal
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So we're still waiting on an ODI series sponsor...and a Test series sponsor IIRC?
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