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Cripps or Oliver.
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To answer the debate, a coaches award is far and away the highest honour an individual player can attain in football. Oliver is only the second player in 20 years to win multiple, after Ablett
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Players and coaches don’t know squat.
If not for having the ability to kick a ball or being patronised a job these guys would be working in a lumbar yard or packing shampoo into cardboard boxes at the Chemist Warehouse distribution centre. Doubt Goodwin would have any interest in footy if he couldn’t punt on the games.
Michael Pell aside, the umpires are the most objective observers of the game and get to watch Cripps up close for 2 and half hours a week. Ed Langdon wouldn’t have come within 50 metres of Cripps. Nick Daicos wouldn’t have been within 150 metres. These guys would have no idea how good he is.
It’s not as though Cripps hasn’t already knocked off the Players Award but it’s basically a charity case. Cripps won the award because the Blues were shit and he had to carry the team every week, Clayton Oliver won it because he’s a former fat kid with red hair who looks like a Looney Tunes character.
The only award that matters is the Brownlow.
If not for having the ability to kick a ball or being patronised a job these guys would be working in a lumbar yard or packing shampoo into cardboard boxes at the Chemist Warehouse distribution centre. Doubt Goodwin would have any interest in footy if he couldn’t punt on the games.
Michael Pell aside, the umpires are the most objective observers of the game and get to watch Cripps up close for 2 and half hours a week. Ed Langdon wouldn’t have come within 50 metres of Cripps. Nick Daicos wouldn’t have been within 150 metres. These guys would have no idea how good he is.
It’s not as though Cripps hasn’t already knocked off the Players Award but it’s basically a charity case. Cripps won the award because the Blues were shit and he had to carry the team every week, Clayton Oliver won it because he’s a former fat kid with red hair who looks like a Looney Tunes character.
The only award that matters is the Brownlow.
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I used to do that when I was young. Then I did my back in.
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Now imagine Adam Tomlinson or Christian Salem doing a day of hard labour.
It’s impossible.
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hahaha, the Brownlow. lol
This thread should've been closed by Round 12 this season. Oliver is better than Cripps in literally every facet of being a footballer. I wouldn't trade Oliver for Cripps even if Carlton through in 2 first rounders. Cripps is horrendous defensively. He has no lateral movement and is extremely inconsistent.
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Oliver is fine, but no real presence in the forward half and he’s just an accumulator at this stage.
Fair bit of work to do to catch Cripps and Wines.
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lolz. you're not catching me with that troll attempt
Cripps and Wines do belong in the same sentence though. Like I said, if Cripps can match Oliver, then he should have no problems beating him in the most credible award in the afl one day, the coaches award.
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If Clarry is so good and so consistent why is it he can't win a Brownlow? Is it because he's consistently very good but not quite the best player on the ground as others have more impact? Cripps when he's up and going is a clear league above anyone else on the field so he's almost a certainty for 3 votes every time he plays well. Clarry just racks up stats but theres nearly always more influential players on the field, tends to be the 3rd-6th best nearly every game though which is probably why he gets his charity votes from Goodwin most games in the coaches awards.
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easy to answer. he has Gawn and Petracca to deal with. But also, the Brownlow doesn't reward consistency. Cripps is a good example of this. His best is clear best on ground, his worst is pretty damn average. Cripps was pathetic in rounds 10,15,17, 18, and 21 and down right average in rounds 11, 13 and 22. So in 8 games not doing a whole lot. Oliver only had 2 underwhelming games.
It's very easy to say 'oh he's an accumulator' simply because he finds a lot of the ball but I'd say most experts would've had Oliver in the top 1 or 2 players in the last 2 years. Oliver has more burst from stoppage and is more powerful than Cripps who is one paced.
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All those bursts from stoppages and the umpires still aren’t having a bar of it.
Cripps methodical clearance work and brute strength clearly more highly favoured.
I can see why he won the Brownlow.
Cripps methodical clearance work and brute strength clearly more highly favoured.
I can see why he won the Brownlow.
Can we get a Cripps vs Petracca poll?
Maybe you can do a Oliver vs Cerra pole if you want to see who has the better 2nd tier mids.
Maybe you can do a Oliver vs Cerra pole if you want to see who has the better 2nd tier mids.
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Oliver v Dom Sheed or Oliver v Matt Crouch would be interesting.
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I understand that you're just trolling but Iet's take a look at his record to date:
-4× Best and Fairest winner
-3× All Australian
-2× AFLCA winner
-Premership player
That resume is insane for a 25-year-old. I'm not for a second denying that Cripps is an excellent player but the gap between him and Oliver is nowhere near as big as you and other Carlton supporters are suggesting.
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Cripps not as powerful and doesnt have the same burst from stoppage
have you watched a game of Cripps this year? He was bulldozing through packs of players like they were fleas. Yes Oliver is more consistent, but he's simply not as damaging as the best players in the competition and never has been. That's why most watchers have voted Cripps and the same reason plenty would rather Petracca or Bont too.
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Oliver's become so underrated by opposition supporters to the point where it's not even funny.Cripps not as powerful and doesnt have the same burst from stoppage
Yes Oliver is more consistent, but he's simply not as damaging as the best players in the competition and never has been. That's why most watchers have voted Cripps and the same reason plenty would rather Petracca or Bont too.
Did you watch the QF against Sydney? He almost single-handedly carried us over the line in that game.
Btw, your claim that Oliver is 'not as damaging as the best players in the competition' is very debatable. Even when Oliver's at his worst (which is extremely rare), he is still winning the hard ball and busting his guts out creating pressure. When Cripps and Bontempelli are at their worst, they go missing for large chunks of the game.
Yes, I'd rather have Cripps and Bontempelli if I want my team to win a final, but I'd much rather have Oliver if I want my team to actually make the finals in the first place.
This is one of the worst takes I've seen in nearly 20 years.
Cripps has never even played in a final !!!
No-one has a clue how he'd perform.
Oliver is already proven in finals series, including top 3 in the Gary Ayres and top 3 in a Norm Smith.
Not mention every other stat under the sun where he eclipses Captain Plod.
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Id still have Oliver as the best player from the tier below so I'd hardly say he's underrated... the difference being for those players mentioned and an argument for why Oliver could be the most valuable of the lot is that while these X-Factor players form varies from best in the comp to outside the top 20, Oliver is just permanently sitting at around that 4-5 mark. Is he ever at one point the player I'd want most in the team? Probably not... But he is the perfect second fiddle when he's got a player like Petracca or a Bont etc next to him. Imo he's a much more aggressive and brutal Jack Macrae, who plays a very similar role for the Doggies.
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Sorry, I meant to say Petracca and Bontempelli in that paragraph
.Yes, it's hard to know how Cripps would perform and Oliver has already proven to be an excellent finals player. I just rewatched the 2021 QF against Brisbane and Oliver was literally insane in that second quarter.
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I fear that Brisbane defeat has genuinely caused brain damage to some of our Melbourne friends here. Why so many tears? Cheer up fellas, it's just a game of footy.
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Still living in the past I see
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