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Roast Cripps - time to go
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Cripps was on SEN VIC just now and it is as bad as it sounds.
Just a soft incompetent club all around. So if we were targeting this draft, why waste our 1st on two duds last year.
- Don't want to bottom out, rebuild on the run.
- Referenced finishing top 4 multiple times like it's an achievement
- Target specific drafts including this one
- Kangaroos offer was inferior
- Considered all trade scenarios, can infer holding him to his contract was never an option
Just a soft incompetent club all around. So if we were targeting this draft, why waste our 1st on two duds last year.
PortPortPort
Sack Hinkley
Everytime I see Cripps I think of this guy from the movie Beerfest, even moreso after this week.
- Don't want to bottom out, rebuild on the run.
REBUILD ON THE RUN MEANS STANDING YOUR FARKEN GROUND
REBUILD AROUND ROZEE, BUTTERS AND JHF WITH AN AGE PROFILE THAT MATCHES THEIRS
DONT BUILD AROUND KENNY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
HOW HECKEN HARD IS THAT
GEEZUS HECK
To rebuild on the run you need to be constantly maximising value like Geelong if you want to genuinely contend.
We do the opposite so we remain mediocre.
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We do the opposite so we remain mediocre.
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philreich
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We are nowhere near being a contender. The Swans actually did us an enormous favour at the SCG, because it would have been 2007 grand final MK 2 if we'd played Brisbane in the decider.
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You know what? We are pulling off the rebuild on the run strategy when you consider that we're a loser club who views success as finishing 8th (will be 10th soon thanks to the "wildcard round"), and top 4 as overachieving. Houston out for 2 top draft picks who might take time to develop would help out distant future, but doesn't help us finish 8th next year. Future picks would take even longer to actually come to fruition. So we get in low ceiling spuds who can help us beat up on low teams to bank the easy 4 points, and we mortgage or future every time to do it.
RussellEbertHandball
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Cripps after this trade period is concluded, will be available to trade 2 years in advance, could be disastrous if you look at the balance of his work over the last 6 years or more.
I started this thread in October 2019 after another failed year and listed the players we had traded away picks for and the lack of success in giving away our first rounder, as well as other picks.
www.afl.com.au
Future pick trading
From 2025, Clubs will be able to trade future draft selections up to two years in advance subject to the following AFL imposed protections:
Clubs must use two first round selections every four years.
Clubs must have board approval to trade any first round selections.
For second year only: Clubs must hold the full suite of draft selections (2nd and 3rd round selections) to trade their first round selections and vice versa.
I started this thread in October 2019 after another failed year and listed the players we had traded away picks for and the lack of success in giving away our first rounder, as well as other picks.
AFL player movement and list management changes
The AFL Commission has approved changes related to AFL Player Movement and List Management for 2024 and 2025
www.afl.com.au
Future pick trading
From 2025, Clubs will be able to trade future draft selections up to two years in advance subject to the following AFL imposed protections:
Clubs must use two first round selections every four years.
Clubs must have board approval to trade any first round selections.
For second year only: Clubs must hold the full suite of draft selections (2nd and 3rd round selections) to trade their first round selections and vice versa.
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So:
1. If our list is good enough to contend - then Ken DID have the cattle, and blew it big time!
2. finishing top 4 after the minor round,then getting hammered by an average of nearly ten goals in finals is good?????? WTAF!!!!
3. holding Dan to contract was never an option? Of course it bloody well was you dip s***. The ultimate option.
Mind boggling stuff.
philreich
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So Collingwood wins the 2025 premiership - Houston gets up on the dais and says, "Thanks Port."So:
1. If our list is good enough to contend - then Ken DID have the cattle, and blew it big time!
2. finishing top 4 after the minor round,then getting hammered by an average of nearly ten goals in finals is good?????? WTAF!!!!
3. holding Dan to contract was never an option? Of course it bloody well was you dip s***. The ultimate option.
Mind boggling stuff.
There's a kernel of a good idea here.
Unless we rapidly accelerate the decline of our list by trading out players, I don't think we can bottom out before drafts start getting badly compromised. As much as we dislike the apparent lack of ruthlessness in the current playing group's culture, trading out players to try and bottom out quickly could be much more destructive to our club. There's also nothing fundamentally wrong with recognising that the distribution of talent varies within and between drafts.
The problems are:
- This list management team cannot be trusted to extract value by trading out players. We avoid properly rebuilding not because we're worried about timing or culture, but because we'd end up holding the biggest and most generous fire sale in the history of professional sports. We also avoid it to protect Hinkley.
- There's no consistency in our approach to drafts. We very confidently traded out of this draft last year for a couple of fringe plodders. Trying to trade back in now because we've decided it's a "super draft" reveals us to be a pack of idiots. If it's a good draft now it was a good draft then and we should have recognised that, just as we should have recognised that going all in on mature players for 2024 carried a lot of risk.
if you cant do the best thing for your club just step down, dont pull a Cripps/davies, dont pull BS like this
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Maybe this is a good thing for some teams, but it's very hard to imagine our AFL-controlled board voicing any objections to such a trade if it benefits one of the AFL's preferred clubs.
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Carnegie Oval
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Yeah and picked Dylan Stephens at pick #5
Look, all teams make good decisions and some bad ones too.
JHF was trade deal of the century! Give Cripps some credit.
Port have always pushed shit uphill in the VFL against father son, NGA and Northern academies.(we had to trade for Brad Ebert remember?)
Draino on SEN today bragging how well Cllwd trade then in same breath says how they could afford to give up next year's first round because they have young McGuane (a gun) coming in FS.
Ugle-Hagen to Dogs with NGA??? What a rort!!!
Nick Blakey to Swans .... what a rort!
Geelong and Squawks won premierships with the father son rort!
Then you got the VFL admin mafia rort.
Geelong >> Brian Cook & Steve Hocking work in "the guts" of the AFL then take all that IP to their club Geelong.
Essendon >>> Brad Scott
If this is the draft we need to be in.... then do it.
The Tassie team entry is going to make things even harder in the future.
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All this just means we have to make sure we get value for our deals.
We've got a pick that will end up being late teens. We're not "in" the draft in any meaningful way. We certainly haven't done enough to make losing Houston okay.
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**** Dan.
If only we put as much thought and effort into moving head coaches on as we do for our gun players.
I feel slightly sorry for Cripps. As a club we haven’t know what we are building for since 2017 and of course the end result of that is going to be scatter gun list management. We got even more confused when we landed JHF.
Maybe Cripps needs to go but he’s not the first, second or third domino.
Maybe Cripps needs to go but he’s not the first, second or third domino.
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Respectfully, and I've been told this for months (even before the possibility of Houston moving on was a thing) that this draft was an elite one, whereby there were 4-5 standouts and then players 6-20 on the big board were all in a very similar category of talent level, and that the order they went in was not going to be determined so much on talent but rather each club's individual needs. And 21-35 is still strong too relative to other drafts where most of these players would be top 20 selections any other year. And these numbers above are not including the F/S and academy prospects, these are the actual players they'll be able to select.
I, like many of us on here wanted more for Houston. But I'll also acknowledge that with a likely 3-4 picks inside the top 35ish, they'll have every opportunity to make the most of things with a view to the long term.
Disappointed beyond belief. Why?
If we want to rebuild on the fly, we should stop picking up mid tier list cloggers like Atkins and keeping our early picks.
- I feel we've overpaid for Lukoscious. He's not lived up to the hype, appears to be a bit like Todd Marshall, in that he's happy to float in and out of games and not really up for the fight. Surely we could have got him for a pick in the mid 20s
- I don't know why we've picked up Atkins, he's not getting games at GC, and is 29/30yo, it makes no sense to me why we're wasting a list spot on him
- I would have preferred a Houston > 2 first rounders swap rather than introducing all this noise that adds no value to us
- Richards appears to be a good pickup - hard to know what we paid for him, but appears to be somewhat fair
- Atkins.. Why? WHy? WHY????!?
- Rory f***** Atkins
If we want to rebuild on the fly, we should stop picking up mid tier list cloggers like Atkins and keeping our early picks.
My issue here is, sure circumstances can be that we don't win a trade no issue with that but last year we had our back hole brutalised by Geelong bringing in a player, One year later, we are forced into a pig on a spit position with Collingwood taking the rear while we gratify Gold Coast as well losing a 2 x AA player.
Losing Shaun Burgoyne then followed by duffing up the Draft picks was the catalyst to 2 years of serious pain and this could be the same if we choose the wrong players.
I'm worried, we seem to be making more mistakes over the past few years.
Losing Shaun Burgoyne then followed by duffing up the Draft picks was the catalyst to 2 years of serious pain and this could be the same if we choose the wrong players.
I'm worried, we seem to be making more mistakes over the past few years.
