Crown Casino, Melbourne - Part 3

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grrofunger said:
would have thought breach of copyright , ie stealing intellectual property might be a charge that could pass

with fraud they would have to prove intent which i would think would be somewhat difficult
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That's what i thought as well, they have to prove he had intent to fraud casino to be charged, Frankly Casino are in it for a long war now, their chips security got to be A+ and to tell you the truth the amount of people i have seen with $500 chips in the last few months with people you would think those counterfit Factories in china is working On the double.
 
In light of the death of one restrained patron, there has recently been a lot of articles in the paper about the alleged thuggery of Crown Casino security. Maybe it's different on the main two floors, but it's never an issue down in the poker room. In fact, I've seen scuffles and full on fights break out without one security guard in sight.

I guess with these incidents there's always a bit of truth in both sides of the story. Even at the poker table I have seen guys drink beer after beer after beer. I can imagine some guys get absolutely wasted upstairs.
 
red+black said:
In light of the death of one restrained patron, there has recently been a lot of articles in the paper about the alleged thuggery of Crown Casino security. Maybe it's different on the main two floors, but it's never an issue down in the poker room. In fact, I've seen scuffles and full on fights break out without one security guard in sight.

I guess with these incidents there's always a bit of truth in both sides of the story. Even at the poker table I have seen guys drink beer after beer after beer. I can imagine some guys get absolutely wasted upstairs.
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It's a fine line, obviously the security guards have to protect themselves and other patrons, but, like quite a few security guards in society, they seem to have excessive amount of testosterone and unwarranted self importance.

I have seen security quell fights or disputes that would otherwise have escalated into violence had they not stepped in and I have heard them discussing fights they were involved in and make reference to the fact the slipped in a couple of 'equalisers' when they had the chance to. I have also seen them 'accidentally' walk a patron through an upright pole whilst frog marching him out and use another patrons head/body to open a door.

At the same time I can understand the need to law down the law so to speak. A lot of patrons they have to deal with are intoxicated, young, smart arses, with their friends or any combination of the previous and there is a need to use assertive behavior to ensure compliance in removing them from the premises. In short if they continue to toe the line like they do then serious injuries and deaths will happen from time to time.
 

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Had an interesting situation at Crown last Sunday night.

We were using a deck that had a cut card in it, so the deck was replaced. The very first hand of the new deck was very entertaining.

Guy utg blind raises to $15 and it gets folded around to the SB who flats, as does the BB.

Flop comes Q98 all diamonds. SB checks, BB checks, utg bets, SB raises, BB goes all in, utg goes all in, SB blind goes all in!!

The turn and river are both irrelevant.

Cards are turned and BB has A10 diamonds for the nuts, utg has J3 diamonds, SB said she had K high flush as well.

Now SB started talking about how the dealer didn't shuffle the new deck enough, but from what I saw it was definitely adequate enough. I have never seen a hand play out that before and was actually pretty shocked that she thought it was the dealers fault.

Do you guys reckon it is just a freak occurrence? I think it was.
 
backchat said:
Had an interesting situation at Crown last Sunday night.

We were using a deck that had a cut card in it, so the deck was replaced. The very first hand of the new deck was very entertaining.

Guy utg blind raises to $15 and it gets folded around to the SB who flats, as does the BB.

Flop comes Q98 all diamonds. SB checks, BB checks, utg bets, SB raises, BB goes all in, utg goes all in, SB blind goes all in!!

The turn and river are both irrelevant.

Cards are turned and BB has A10 diamonds for the nuts, utg has J3 diamonds, SB said she had K high flush as well.

Now SB started talking about how the dealer didn't shuffle the new deck enough, but from what I saw it was definitely adequate enough. I have never seen a hand play out that before and was actually pretty shocked that she thought it was the dealers fault.

Do you guys reckon it is just a freak occurrence? I think it was.
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Freak occurrence, have seen a similar thing happen before quite a few times.

More amusing to me is the guy who decided to boost up J:diamond:3:diamond: (one of my favorite hands) $15utg, flopped a flush and still lost.
 
I guess you can say it wasnt shuffled enough as so many diamonds seemed to be clumped together

If the first three cards were the A:diamond: K:diamond: and J:diamond: dealt SB>BB>UTG then yeah theres an obv problem when the flop also comes out Q89:diamond::diamond::diamond:

I would think the other cards, T3 and whatever the K had were thoroughly mixed unless the K had a 2 or 4, which would seem like they were seperated either

did the dealer spread and mush the cards on the felt before doing a standard shuffle? some dealers do this but do it very poorly, and the level of crown dealers doing a hand shuffle is so below par, I left a table on wednesday night because it was so bad.
 
I'd probably be bitching about a dodgy shuffle too. Three flopped flushes can happen, but on a brand new deck it seems like too much for coincidence. You need a lot of shuffling to properly randomize a deck. 7 or 8 at least if you can do a perfect riffle.
 
Played the $50 APPT Event (will mention in other thread) but I sat next to a girl who told me that Clonie Gowen has just permanently moved to Melbourne. She married an Aussie fireman two weeks ago and is relocating from Dallas, TX to here. I'd seen her here a couple times maybe 2-3 years back and wondered why she'd be here outside of the Aussie Millions.
 
paxmaniac said:
I'd probably be bitching about a dodgy shuffle too. Three flopped flushes can happen, but on a brand new deck it seems like too much for coincidence. You need a lot of shuffling to properly randomize a deck. 7 or 8 at least if you can do a perfect riffle.
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You need to wash the cards first. Washing the cards is when the cards are fanned out and then mixed around very randomly...

If you just do a few riffles then ldo lots of cards are going to clump together. AFAIK diamonds are the third group of suits in the deck, so when you cut if you cut evenly then they would go to the top.
 
Rumour going around that the poker room is being relocated to where Sanity Music Store/SteakOut used to be

That area is currently walled off under construction, havent done much research though so hopefully dig something up soon

Meant to be bigger room as well
 
JuddsABlue said:
Rumour going around that the poker room is being relocated to where Sanity Music Store/SteakOut used to be

That area is currently walled off under construction, havent done much research though so hopefully dig something up soon

Meant to be bigger room as well
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Old news, it's been in progress for about 3 months and will become the new poker room to allow for more car parking.
 
I haven't played 2/3 since they introduced the extra rake, can someone explain it? I think it's only Friday and Saturday nights between 7:30pm and 11:30pm? Is it $6 at 7:30pm, 8:30pm, 9:30pm, 10:30pm and 11:30pm? And you get one raffle ticket for each hour?

Basically what I'm asking is could you rock up at 11:15, pay $1 rake and have a ticket for the raffle at 11:30?
 

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red+black said:
I haven't played 2/3 since they introduced the extra rake, can someone explain it? I think it's only Friday and Saturday nights between 7:30pm and 11:30pm? Is it $6 at 7:30pm, 8:30pm, 9:30pm, 10:30pm and 11:30pm? And you get one raffle ticket for each hour?

Basically what I'm asking is could you rock up at 11:15, pay $1 rake and have a ticket for the raffle at 11:30?
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AFAIK you get a ticket when you register for a cash game. I have only ever received a ticket on a Sunday, though I have never payed extra time charge. I did sit down at 2/3 for bout half hour on Saturday nite and they said next time charge would $6, but I didn't hang around to find out. And the draw is for an upgrade to silver membership I think??

And you only get the one ticket for all draws.
 
grrofunger said:
i played 2/3 for about 5 or so hours a couple of weeks back and didnt pay any time charge

lucky?
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the only possible explanation would be the floor had your table as a 1/2 table but you were playing 2/3 and you had the laziest floor staff Crowns ever produced. But even then, it would be near impossible for that to last very long

I would be pretty confident in saying you were playing 1/2 where there is no time charge

2/3 tables dont miss time, they never do. The latest I've ever seen them be is about 10 minutes
 
I can recall time not being taken playing 2/3 at least twice, maybe three times. But it is very rare. It was more common when time was taken at different times on each table.
 
red+black said:
I can recall time not being taken playing 2/3 at least twice, maybe three times. But it is very rare. It was more common when time was taken at different times on each table.
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never since this happen, maybe theyve picked up their procedures or something because if its every 5 minutes late these days the floor are all over it, often waiting by the table for the dealer to take them

This along with their run sheet where they check off that time gets dropped on each table make it very hard for a table to missed, unless like I said they had it down as a 1/2 table
 
JuddsABlue said:
I would be pretty confident in saying you were playing 1/2 where there is no time charge
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I haven't played cash at Crown for a long time but made my way to the 1/2 tables last Friday night. I was waiting for them to collect a time charge (as they had the last time I played 1/2 there) and was surprised when it never came. Good to see it wasn't a mistake on their part. :)
 
The games have been really good at crown the last few days.

Played with 'the poker star' who was short-stacking $2/5 tonight. She's better looking than I expected.
 
Goodo73 said:
I haven't played cash at Crown for a long time but made my way to the 1/2 tables last Friday night. I was waiting for them to collect a time charge (as they had the last time I played 1/2 there) and was surprised when it never came. Good to see it wasn't a mistake on their part. :)
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I played 1/2 late on Friday (like 2am-ish) with a mate. He was well on to losing his 2nd buy-in at which point I was down just $6. I didn't play many hands, won a good pot with 32o with 5 seeing a $9 raise pre. Flop 652, I bet out, 2 callers, turn 2, next guy was eager to bet so I checked, he shoves, next guy calls, I re-shove squeezing him out. So what does villain have? T6o of course LOL. River 4.
 
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